Pretty much all the Seeds I've seen had Gyro Ball. Yeah, good luck shuttin' it down.Ferroseed rarely carries attacking moves so taunt shuts it down completely.
Yeah because uninvested gyro ball is gonna do so much to Samurott...Pretty much all the Seeds I've seen had Gyro Ball. Yeah, good luck shuttin' it down.
Assuming for standard EV spreads, Ferroseed's Gyro Ball is doing 14.6-17.0% to his Samurott. So unless you consider 10HKOing an opponent not shut down, Taunt kinda shuts him down.Pretty much all the Seeds I've seen had Gyro Ball. Yeah, good luck shuttin' it down.
This. Lets not forget that Gyro Ball has 8 PP, meaning that Samurott doesn't need any attacking moves to kill Ferroseed, let alone HP Fire. Honestly the turn after you Taunt you're better off trying to catch a switch with Hydro Pump. It's not like it's a costly mispredict if they decide to stay in and Gyro Ball for approximately LOL damage.Assuming for standard EV spreads, Ferroseed's Gyro Ball is doing 14.6-17.0% to his Samurott. So unless you consider 10HKOing an opponent not shut down, Taunt kinda shuts him down.
you know, never thought of drapion. Good idea bro!In theory, wouldn't Drapion make a better Cress counter? He can still Taunt and retains a Psychic immunity, but he also is immune to Toxic and is only hit neutrally by Ice Beam. I've been playing around with something like this:
Drapion (M) @ Leftovers/Air Balloon
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 32 HP / 92 Atk / 168 SDef / 216 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Earthquake/Brick Break
- Swords Dance
- Taunt/Rock Slide
Fairly straightforward, but it serves it's purpose. The EVs allow to outpace + Natured base 90s down (Non-Scarfed PZ, Liligant, Moltres, Venomoth and such), with the attack investment guaranteeing that your Crunch will break Cress' sub, with it's Ice Beam only dealing 19.4-23.2% unboosted. Obviously Crunch is for stab, with either EQ or Brick Break for coverage. Taunt allows Drapion to fill the role of stallbreaker much better, though you can use Rock Slide if you want that extra power vs. Yanmega (or hit Honch if you choose to run EQ).
I must say, I'm using this set now, and it's AMAZING. Too many people switch in Moltres and Yanmega to revenge her, only to be blasted to death by HP Rock.
Lilligant @ Leftovers
Own Tempo
Timid, 92 HP / 224 SpA / 192 Spe
- Quiver Dance
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Aromatherapy
when i first got started in ru i knew i wanted to use lilligant. quiver dance is one of the best new moves of bw, and lilligant is one of the best abusers. with that said, i knew the standard set used sleep powder, but for some reason i told myself that i didn't want to use it lol (i think it was something along the lines of everyone expected it and it only gave me one shot at getting past a 'counter'). needless to say, i searched for a 4th move, and after skimming through its movepool i stumbled across an interesting option: aromatherapy. i slapped it on and the rest is history: this set is the most dominant set i've ever used in any tier. because lilligant is such a fast threat after a quiver dance, revenge killing it is incredibly hard. after that, the second most popular option for dealing with offensive threats is status. with aromatherapy, lilligant not only easily sets up on status mons, but it supports its teammates at the same time. just qv to +3 or something while taking toxic damage, aromatherapy it away, and giga drain back your health; simple and easy to use. as for ev's and nature, timid + 192 outspeeds modest yanmega, 92 hp gives you a lefties number, and the rest is thrown in spa.
sidenote: completely destroys most stall, just sayin.
IF cress carries ice beam bye bye drapion. JUST saying.you know, never thought of drapion. Good idea bro!
Um, did you bother to read the post? Because I believe I did mention that Ice Beam is dealing 23.2% max to Drapion, making it a 5HKO at most (considering Lefties recovery). In that time Drapion could accumulate +6 via SD, which really isn't something you want to be up against.IF cress carries ice beam bye bye drapion. JUST saying.
(sorry if this is a double post.)
1) DW zangoose is unreleasedPoison EXTREME KILLER Zangoose
Zangoose@toxic orb
Adamant nautre
252 Attack/ 128 hp/128 speed
Protect
Quick Attack
Pursuit
Brick Break/swords dance
I love this set. Protect get poison then sweep. Usually takes out 2 pokes at least.
Lilligant @ Leftovers
Own Tempo
Timid, 92 HP / 224 SpA / 192 Spe
- Quiver Dance
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Aromatherapy
when i first got started in ru i knew i wanted to use lilligant. quiver dance is one of the best new moves of bw, and lilligant is one of the best abusers. with that said, i knew the standard set used sleep powder, but for some reason i told myself that i didn't want to use it lol (i think it was something along the lines of everyone expected it and it only gave me one shot at getting past a 'counter'). needless to say, i searched for a 4th move, and after skimming through its movepool i stumbled across an interesting option: aromatherapy. i slapped it on and the rest is history: this set is the most dominant set i've ever used in any tier. because lilligant is such a fast threat after a quiver dance, revenge killing it is incredibly hard. after that, the second most popular option for dealing with offensive threats is status. with aromatherapy, lilligant not only easily sets up on status mons, but it supports its teammates at the same time. just qv to +3 or something while taking toxic damage, aromatherapy it away, and giga drain back your health; simple and easy to use. as for ev's and nature, timid + 192 outspeeds modest yanmega, 92 hp gives you a lefties number, and the rest is thrown in spa.
sidenote: completely destroys most stall, just sayin.
Thats the usual. The set posted is the creative part. Without Giga Drain, Lilligant cant set up on Toxic users.What about using this as a clean up sweeper near the endgame with petal dance?
Pretty much QD once or twice (not even needed tbh) and just use petal dance. Own Tempo prevents it from being confused so you can spam away.