An OU RMT - Anti Weather Team

Hi guys, I'm new to Smogon but I've been lurking around these forums for months now. I just recently started to play DW OU Tier on PO because I find it slightly more interesting than standard BW OU because of its variety of different Pokemon. I've been editing this team over the past week and its kinda standard but I wanna see what your opinions are on it. I think I peaked around like rank ~99 with it on PO DW OU which isn't too great so thats why I posted it here so it can become even better. Thanks!

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The Team at a Glance

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@ Choice Scarf
Trait: Download
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- U-turn
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt (Changed Thunder to Thunderbolt)

Genesect is generally my lead in 90% of my battles. I love its ability to scout out the other team consistently and even take some strong dragon hits from some of the many beastly dragons in OU. The fact that it has the ability Download just makes it all the better because I often get the SpAtt boost, being that most of the meta game is physically defensive at the moment. I put Thunder instead of thunderbolt because everyone and their mother is running a rain team nowadays, and the 100% accuracy and extra base power is extremely helpful in certain situations. BoltBeam is never a bad thing, u-turn helps me scout out the other team for the entire game, and flame thrower is just for opposing genesect, ferrothorn, scizor, (other pokemon that are 4x weak to fire in general). Flamethrower also helps me against sun teams with threats such as venasaur or excadrills on sandstorm teams as it can live a excadrills un boosted earthquake I believe.

vv Thanks to New World Order for this suggested Bronzong to counter some sandstorm threats. vv
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@ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Earthquake

Bronzong was put on the team as New World Order suggested to get up rocks early and to counter sandstorm threats. Landorus cant really touch him because of levitate and scarfed Landorus is even more screwed if he locks himself into earthquake as I essentially get a free turn to either KO or predict the switch. Also this is sort of a pseudo counter to Excadrill as I can just break his balloon with Gyro Ball and then proceed to earthquake him. Bronzong is a great addition either way as he adds some much needed bulk/resistances to my team, as well as the bonus of being a great sand counter.


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@ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Charge Beam

I don't see Magnezone that often in the DW OU Tier and I'm wondering why. This thing is kind of a blast from the past and it looks like those Toy Story three-eyed aliens from that catching machine scene lol. Magnezone is a great help to my team because #1 its a steel type so it resists draco meteors, bug moves, gyro balls, power whips (Ferrothorn lol). However, I think the thing that pulled me to Magnezone (see what I did there) was the fact that it has the ability Magnet Pull. I put this thing on my team a couple of days ago, and I already did a couple of clean sweeps with the sub charge beam strategy. Simply switch into a Forretress or Ferrothorn spamming entry hazards, sub on the leech seed/ t-wave, and begin to get as close as you can to +6 spatt. From there, if the opponent cant break your sub, its GG. Even if they do break your sub your usually guaranteed 2-3 KOS. Definitely one of the team MVPS.
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@ Choice Band
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fire Punch
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- ExtremeSpeed

Dragonite is on this team because of its absolutely deadly raw power. STAB Banded Outrage is nothing to laugh about. As it can KO just about anything that doesn't resist it. Fire punch is on there because of the many annoying steels lurking around in OU (Ferrothorn, Scizor, Forretress, etc.) Earthquake is a solid 100 BP move and hits electrics, fires, and steels for SE damage. Choice Banded Extremespeed has sweeped a couple of teams for me after most steels were gone and their team was severely weakened. Its a very strong priority with 80 BP and coming from a max attack choice banded Dragonite, its almost always a 2-3 hit KO.

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@ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 HP / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Roost
- Roar


Replaced Gastrodon with this as New World Order suggested because it essentially gets rid of my Keldeo weakness, being that Latias resists both its STABs. Also, Latias sports great defensive stats and an immunity to spikes/tspikes (damn you stall). It also acts a phazer and can be dangerous and very hard to take down if I get a few calm minds in. Thank you New World Order for this great replacement.
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@ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Recover

I always thought this thing should have a 3rd evolution, just so I could stick a eviolite on it. :happybrain: Gastrodon is basically the weather counter as most of you already know I'm sure. The fact that it has water absorb and its excellent Water/Ground Typing is basically the middle finger to rain dance teams. It can take hits from Thunderus, a huge special attacking threat in OU, and I can switch it in on many of its resistances. Switch it in on Thunderus, ice beam, problem solved. I'm debating whether to use Scald or Earth Power/Earthquake, not sure which is more useful but I've been switching between them for some time now. Storm Drain is such a useful ability because it grants a water immunity and a +1 SpAtt boost. This is especially useful with Scald, already having a 30% chance of burning and crippling physical attackers. Overall Gastrodon is a good SpDef tank and a good counter to most weather teams.

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@ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Payback

Conkeldurr is so many things and is just so useful and has great synergy with Reuniclus. This is a typical set for him but after one or two bulkups, its nearly unstoppable with STAB Mach and Drain Punch. DP is on there just to regain HP from taking hits all day, and Mach Punch is on there just to clean up the job and eliminate any Pokemon thinking that they will out speed and 1HKO me. Conkeldurr also doesn't mind status either with Guts, it just boosts his monstrous attack to even further levels. I guess I would consider him the physical tank of the team.

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@ Life Orb (Changed TR to CM Set)
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Recover

Changed the Trick Room Set to the Calm Mind set because this team was having severe problems with Stall Teams. This is basically as anti-stall as it gets. Thanks to New World Order for the suggestion.

Ok guys thats my team, I think its pretty good myself as it took a little while to make although it is pretty standard I'll admit. Please give me some helpful suggestions, I am open to them. Thank you again. Rate away! :)
 
Well this supposed anti-weather team doesn't have an answer to Landorus besides Dragonite, which lets be honest isn't that reliable for bringing down Lando. I suggest running Bronzong in place of Magnezone, who really isn't doing much considering how many Forrys/ Skarmorys run Shed Shell. Maggy is really just outclassed by Chandelure as a trapper anyways.

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Levitate
Sassy
252 Hp/ 84 Atk/ 80 Def/ 92 SpD/ 2 Speed IVs
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
HP Ice
Stealth Rock
 
Well this supposed anti-weather team doesn't have an answer to Landorus besides Dragonite, which lets be honest isn't that reliable for bringing down Lando. I suggest running Bronzong in place of Magnezone, who really isn't doing much considering how many Forrys/ Skarmorys run Shed Shell. Maggy is really just outclassed by Chandelure as a trapper anyways.

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Levitate
Sassy
252 Hp/ 84 Atk/ 80 Def/ 92 SpD/ 2 Speed IVs
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
HP Ice
Stealth Rock

Great suggestion new world order. Honestly I've been getting rocked by sand teams recently and Bronzong provides rocks which i don't already have and a shitload of resistances also. Much appreciated I will try that set. However I haven't ran into any steels running shed shell yet oddly as it would make sense. Ironically enough though, I vsed a ferrothorn yesterday with bulldoze (lol)

Would you recommend using Bronzong as a lead just to get rocks up early? Because on the DW OU Tier on PO Server their is no team preview for some reason. Let me know about your thoughts on that.

On Another Note: I'm wondering if it would be a wise decision to swap out Gastrodon for CM Suicune or Crocune as it can set up on many things, because alot of the times it seems that my gastrodon gets set up on. Or perhaps a wish passing vaporeon with water absorb/hydration as a rain counter/ giving my team a new life.
 
I changed my previous Magnezone to a bulky Bronzong to counter Landorus, Excadrill and other possibly sandstorm abusers that pose a threat to my team as New World Order suggested. Magnezone wasn't really cutting it as it was dead weight alot of the times when I was up against a sandstorm team w/o Ferrothorn/Skarm/Foretress.

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Solid team you have there.Not much I can suggest.Maybe switch Dragonite to a DD set?
 
Nice team and it is very solid but I faced it today and Keldeo with

-Hp ice
- sacred sword
- surf
- calm mind

this set is a major threat also i see max def pokemon.
 
Solid team you have there.Not much I can suggest.Maybe switch Dragonite to a DD set?

Hi HBK,
I was actually thinking about that and its interesting that you brought that up. However I like the immediate power that BandNite brings with Extremespeed and outrage. I feel like in most situations that I tried DD nite the 1 turn it takes to setup just allows them to switch into their weather counter (excadrill, kingdra) and threaten me with the appropriate move. Banded Extremespeed lets me finish off so many weakened threats to my team such as most rain dance sweepers and most sunny day pokes also.
Thanks for the rate and I appreciate the suggestion.

Nice team and it is very solid but I faced it today and Keldeo with

-Hp ice
- sacred sword
- surf
- calm mind

this set is a major threat also i see max def pokemon.

Hi Rhyssa,
I don't think you played me because I didn't see a Keldeo in a few days now but they are pretty annoying to this team admittedly lol. When I see it I usually try to switch into Reun set up a TR and then psychic. If he dies I just go into another slow attacker of mine to finish it off or Espeed it with Dragonite. Which brings me to another problem, I can't switch in Gastrodon because it'll just get 1shotted by it lol, so I'm still looking for an alternative to Gastrodon that can take a little more hits and still be as effective.
Thanks for the rate :)

Another thing I noticed real quickly: I just vsed 2 stall teams in a row and my team got destroyed completely lol, not much I can really do to stall with this team. Anyone have any suggestions to help fix this?
 
Probably the best way to deal with your Keldeo problems is Latias, who takes its STAB moves like a boss, and also can shrug off HP Ice because of its bulk, although you must be sure not to engage in a long term CM War because Keldeo can eventually break through with Secret Sword. As a result, the best set to deal with Keldeo is the CM Roar set, which allows you to remove its boosts. Latias would probably be best slotted into Gastrodon's slot, since Latias covers every pokemon Gastrodon does except Thundurus and Starmie. I guess Geno can revenge kill the two (although I'd suggest running T-bolt instead of Thunder so it can actually hit Starmie outside the rain).

Latias @ Leftovers
Levitate
Timid
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Calm Mind
Dragon Pulse
Roost (the exact same thing as Recover on Latias, just seems cooler :P)
Roar

To address your weakness to stall, take a look at your team and you'll see that you already have perhaps the best stallbreaker in OU history on your team already. Just simply switch Reuniclus to the CM version, and the only way stall will beat you is if you let Reuniclus get picked off by Ttar/ Scizor.

Reuniclus @ Leftovers
Magic Guard
Bold
252 Hp/ 252 Def/ 4 SpD
Calm Mind
Psychic
Focus Blast
Recover
 
Probably the best way to deal with your Keldeo problems is Latias, who takes its STAB moves like a boss, and also can shrug off HP Ice because of its bulk, although you must be sure not to engage in a long term CM War because Keldeo can eventually break through with Secret Sword. As a result, the best set to deal with Keldeo is the CM Roar set, which allows you to remove its boosts. Latias would probably be best slotted into Gastrodon's slot, since Latias covers every pokemon Gastrodon does except Thundurus and Starmie. I guess Geno can revenge kill the two (although I'd suggest running T-bolt instead of Thunder so it can actually hit Starmie outside the rain).

Latias @ Leftovers
Levitate
Timid
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Calm Mind
Dragon Pulse
Roost (the exact same thing as Recover on Latias, just seems cooler :P)
Roar

To address your weakness to stall, take a look at your team and you'll see that you already have perhaps the best stallbreaker in OU history on your team already. Just simply switch Reuniclus to the CM version, and the only way stall will beat you is if you let Reuniclus get picked off by Ttar/ Scizor.

Reuniclus @ Leftovers
Magic Guard
Bold
252 Hp/ 252 Def/ 4 SpD
Calm Mind
Psychic
Focus Blast
Recover

Great suggestions once again New World. Latias completely dodges spikes which was ripping me a new asshole when vsing those stall teams lol. I actually had Scarf Rotom-W before gastrodon and it worked to some success but Latias seems like the best fit, just a fast as hell tank + phazer. Just wondering though, did you mean to put 252 SpA on Latias or 252 HP because that's whats listed on smogon. Just want to confirm.

I was thinking about changing to the CM set for Reuniclus for a week or so now but I thought TR had alot more surprise factor to it and it helped Conk a bit. Also had some weather counter utility to it. However, I've never tried the CM set and I've heard fantastic things about it so I'll definitely try it.

I appreciate all your help and contributions to improving my team so it can be as good as possible. :)

Another thought: Do you guys think I would benefit more from a DDnite instead of Bandnite? If so, which DDnite set should I use?

Thanks again.
 
I replaced Reuniclus's Trick Room Set with the standard CM set. This helps my team counter stall teams which was giving me serious problems before I changed his set. CM Reun is also a great late game sweeper when all his counters are wiped out (Looking at you Tyranitar, Scizor)

I also replaced Gastrodon with a CM Roar Latias set. This helps me dodge spikes/tspikes which are predominant in stall teams. It also allows me to beat Keldeo, one of the threats that Rhyssa pointed out to me. (Thank you for that) Having the ability to phaze screws baton pass as well as those annoying HydroRest vaporeons that I vs every other match. (Damn the rain) Thank you all for your helpful rates and if you have any more suggestions, please let me know ASAP.

Also, would it be more appropriate to use Soul Dew on Latias instead of Leftovers because its essentially a free calm mind boost when it enters the field + its legal since im battling in the DW OU Tier.

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Wait WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? Soul Dew is legal in DW? I've been playing DW for a week and haven't even noticed. I'm 99.9% sure its illegal, but if someone can confirm it is lega, Soul Dew makes Latias a KYOGRE HARD COUNTER. Rain teams? LOL.
 
Wait WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? Soul Dew is legal in DW? I've been playing DW for a week and haven't even noticed. I'm 99.9% sure its illegal, but if someone can confirm it is lega, Soul Dew makes Latias a KYOGRE HARD COUNTER. Rain teams? LOL.

Interestingly enough, I tried it on 3 different servers. Its considered Ubers Tier on PO and PBC. However, its considered as DW OU on Smogon server. I guess you can only use it on Smogon server then lol.

On Latias: Holy crap, I'm using your set except instead of maxed spatt i maxed out hp and speed. This thing is so bulky and trolls so many teams after a couple of boosts + roar spam lmao. Also dominates things weak to rocks because they can't switch in that many times. Thanks so much for this suggestion New World!
 
Yes, the other day a clan member of mine battled you with my stall team and that battle lasted FOREVER like 150+ turns. However if you had done Psyshock>Psychic it would have given you better chance against Chansey/Blissey and also helps in CM wars, it's just better for stall breaking overall. Also most sun teams could win after a single free turn for instance Victreebel with Growth/HP Ice/Weather Ball/Giga Drain sweeps your whole team after the 1 boost or a Venasaur with a similar set of Growth/Hp Fire/Sludge Bomb/Giga Drain. Generally the best counter/check to sun is Sp. Def Heatran which you could put over Latias seeing as it and Reuniclus are essentially doing the same thing. The ev's are 252Hp/4SpAtk/252SpDef with a set of Roar/Lava Plume/Toxic/Earth Power.
 
Since I technically contributed a third of the team, mind if I jack it for laddering :P?

Yea sure go ahead New World Order. Let me know about your success with it.

Yes, the other day a clan member of mine battled you with my stall team and that battle lasted FOREVER like 150+ turns. However if you had done Psyshock>Psychic it would have given you better chance against Chansey/Blissey and also helps in CM wars, it's just better for stall breaking overall. Also most sun teams could win after a single free turn for instance Victreebel with Growth/HP Ice/Weather Ball/Giga Drain sweeps your whole team after the 1 boost or a Venasaur with a similar set of Growth/Hp Fire/Sludge Bomb/Giga Drain. Generally the best counter/check to sun is Sp. Def Heatran which you could put over Latias seeing as it and Reuniclus are essentially doing the same thing. The ev's are 252Hp/4SpAtk/252SpDef with a set of Roar/Lava Plume/Toxic/Earth Power.

Thanks for the suggestion Gamester, I'm going to try it out. I actually laddered a little with my friends team and he had a heatran, I loved how much it shut down sun teams half of the time lol. I'll definately try psyshock over psychic on Reuniclus also as it seems like it would be helpful in those situations. Btw, I remember that battle it was the longest I've ever had on PO I think lol.
 
This is turning into a bit of a stall team. lol. It seems like all you got are counters which are easily countered (If thats understandable) Now I would recommend that you make this a full blown stall team with a SubCM Latias. (I can tell you hate stall but, trust me. It's fun.) And if you don't want this to be a stall team, I would replace Conkeldurp with Scarf Imposter Ditto.
 
This is turning into a bit of a stall team. lol. It seems like all you got are counters which are easily countered (If thats understandable) Now I would recommend that you make this a full blown stall team with a SubCM Latias. (I can tell you hate stall but, trust me. It's fun.) And if you don't want this to be a stall team, I would replace Conkeldurp with Scarf Imposter Ditto.

Alright thanks for the suggestions, I might just try to revamp this team or return it to an earlier state. Because I also just noticed thats its turning into basically a stall team as well now and I've played stall before, it just gets repetitive and frustrating after a while so I wanted a change from the norm. I'll see what I can do or perhaps I'll just scrap the team.
 
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