My Zealous Team (5th Generation)

xcube2402

Hello,

It has been a while since I've been here, and I wanted to use the same team as I did in Diamond/Platinum (don't have Pearl), which I want to have as much flexibility as possible, while competitive at the same time. I was not sure if the team I used in the 4th generation will do as well in the 5th generation, which is why I would like some recommendations to improving the team, and if anything should be changed and/or replaced in order to make it more effective.

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Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid
EVs: (6 HP, 252 Spa, 252 Spe)
Move 1 - Grass Knot
Move 2 - Hydro Pump
Move 3 - Rapid Spinner
Move 4 - Thunderbolt

Purpose: Starmie will be the one that leads my team, and that is to prevent lead sweepers from ruining my team (ex. Infernape). Grass Knot was added to eliminate threats like Rotom-W, and any other pokemons that Thunderbolt & Hydro Pump can't deal with. Thunderbolt is there to eliminate any other water-type trying to stall. Hydro Pump is for STAB.

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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Naive
Evs (6 SpD, 252 SpA, 252 Spe)
Move 1 - Earth Power
Move 2 - Flamethrower
Move 3 - Hidden Power Ice
Move 4 - Overheat

Purpose: Most of the time, Heatran is pulled out when one of my pokemon is knocked out. Heatran is also used as a primary sweeper around the end of the battle. Overheat is for STAB, and Flamethrower is there in case Overheat won't be enough to KO an opposing pokemon, or if I don't want his damage to go down. Earth Power is there for deal with fire-type possibly trying to stall. HP Ice is added for deal with Gliscor, and other similar type pokemon, which this has a capital T written all over it.

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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant
EVs: (156 HP, 74 Atk, 96 Def, 184 Spd)
Move 1 - Dragon Dance
Move 2 - Stone Edge
Move 3 - Taunt
Move 4 - Waterfall

Purpose: My primary sweeper in the team. Taunt is my insurance in case of pokemons that would stop the dragon dance sweep pattern. Dragon Dance is there in order to properly sweep. Waterfall is there for STAB, and Stone Edge is there for coverage against most flying-type.

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant
EVs: (6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd)
Move 1 - Bullet Punch
Move 2 - Close Combat
Move 3 - Extremespeed
Move 4 - Swords Dance

Purpose: My alternative to Gyarados, just with some problems bringing him out in the battle due to not being bulky (brought out when there is an opening in the battle). Sword Dance is there in order to properly sweep. Extremespeed is there to deal with most speedy pokemon. Bullet Punch is my insurance in case Extremespeed fails to do it's job. Close Combat is there for STAB.

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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Modest
EVs: (112 HP, 252 SpA, 144 Spe)
Move 1 - Hydro Pump
Move 2 - Pain Split
Move 3 - Thunderbolt
Move 4 - Will-O-Wisp

Purpose: Was going to to use Rotom-H, but it's now underused, so I just replaced it with this pokemon. Hydro Pump and Thunderbolt is there for STAB. Will-O-Wisp is for stalling. Pain Split is to even the odds with certain pokemon that may have a gross amount of HP in comparison to Rotom-W, and another way to recover lost HP.

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Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Heatproof
Nature: Sassy
EVs: (252 HP, 86 Atk, 80 Def, 92 SDef) (IV 2 Spd)
Move 1 - Earthquake
Move 2 - Gyro Ball
Move 3 - Hidden Power Ice
Move 4 - Stealth Rock

Purpose: Bronzong is the tank in my team, and will shrug off most of the hits, and if possible, set up Stealth Rock. Earthquake is there for coverage against Magnezone, and other similar pokemon. Gyro Ball is there for STAB, and for the big damage it deals, thanks to the very low speed. HP Ice is there for Gliscor, and other similar pokemon. I picked Heatproof as my ability, since most people will think that Bronzong has Levitate early in the battle, which I believe will come in handy to fool players.

Here some some alternatives for my team pokemon team, but I don't have much proof that they will be an essential to my team:

- Dragonite (Possible sweeper in my team)
- Espeon (Possible sweeper or dual screen for the team)
- Gengar (Possible replacement for Rotom-W)
- Haxorus (Possible sweeper in my team)
- Hydreigon (Possible sweeper in my team)
- Metagross (Possible replacement for Bronzong)
- Salamence (Possible sweeper in my team)
- Tyranitar (Possible sweeper in my team)
- Vaporeon (Possible bulky pokemon in my team)
- Venusaur (Possibel sweeper in my team)
- Virizion (Possible sweeper in my team)

* I used to have Gengar & Tyranitar in my team in Diamond/Platinum, but there were some complications with Tyranitar for the team, and Gengar was replaced by Rotom-H. The changes in Black/White made me think of adding them again, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea.
** Salamence was originally in my team, but was replaced by Hetran in Diamond/Platinum due to being in the Uber tier. Since it is a OU again, I thought of adding it back in the team, but I'm not sure.
 
You might wanna be a tad more descriptive with explainations, might just be me. Becarefull with how you play Starmie, if shes your rapid spinner, then you need to keep her alive as long as possible. Shes frail, and if you lose her in the beginning, then hazards will come pouring down. I would replace starmie with Donphan. He serves as a rapid spinner, plus he is immune to electric, that would give it great synergy with Gyarados. Plus he has STAB EQ as well as Ice Shard which can come in handy with Gliscor.
 
I think lucario doesn't need two priority attack, keep just bullet punch and replace extremespeed. Bullet punch because it has more coverage than ES. change the nature of Heatran to timid, the naive low a defense and you don't have a phisical move in your set, so the timid is ok. with the scarf i think you must replace Overheat or Flamethrower with another attack: two attacks of the same type in a scarf set are not pretty good. aniway i prefer Rotom-W with the scarf instead of Heatran, you can run an air baloon on tran and use a scarf set for Rotom-W
 
Hi, a lot of the time, I dont rate teams but for some reason I wanted to rate this team so lets get started.

I think that volcorona is quite the problem for you. You do have heatran, but after a couple Butterfly Dances you cant touch volcorona not to mention heatran has no form of recovery. To patch this problem I suggest you change your heatran to the specially defensive heatran.

Heatran @ Leftovers
Flash Fire
Calm Nature
252 HP - 4 Def - 252 SpD
-Lava Plume
-Stealth Rocks
-Protect
-Roar

With this change I would change your rotom in to the scarf varient. You can also revenge +1 dragonite (with his multiscale broken) wich is really useful.
Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf
Levitate
Timid Nature
4 SpD - 252 SpA - 252 Spd
-Hydro Pump
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power [Ice]
-Trick

With this change I would also switch out bronzong for skarmory to beat like 99.9% of physical attackers in the OU metagame. Also with spikes, you will put more pressure on your opponent. Skarmory and heatran can use roar and whirlwind to rack up a lot of damage putting even more pressure ob your oponent.

Skarmory @ Leftovers/Shed Shell (your preference but I suggest shed shell to beat drag+mag.
Sturdy
Impish Nature
252 HP - 228 Def - 28 Spd
-Spikes
-Brave Bird
-Whirlwind
-Roost

I also suggest you run dragonite over gyarados, as it would be a more productive sweeper for you. It isn't the #1 pokemon (as of this month) for a bad reason.
Dragonite @ Lum Berry/Leftovers(i prefer lum)
Multiscale
Adamant Nature
252 HP - 44 Attk - 216 Spd
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch
-Roost


As for minor tweaks, you dont need 2 priority moves on lucario. Myself I suggest extreme speed. I would switch bullet punch for crunch for jellicent as the rest of your team beats gliscor easily.

Final Note: The best way to make your team as good as possible is to test it out on the smogon PO server.

Good Luck.
 
- Sorry if my explaination wasn't clear about the role the pokemon in my team plays:

Starmie: Leads the team, eliminates lead sweepers, and clears up any Spikes and Stealth Rock.
Heatran: Used for revenge kill, and then switches to being a sweeper when the battle is coming to an end (when I'm winning).
Gyarados: Used to prevent pokemons from using any status moves, stall certain pokemon, and one of my primary sweeper.
Lucario: Not much to say other than to build up with Sword Dance, and sweep away (Use him if I either know the opponent will switch, or if they lack combat in the current battle situation).
Rotom-W: Another sweeper used in situations when the opponent will be hitting hard, and also serves to stall if possible.
Bronzong: Used to set up Stealth Rock, stall most pokemons, and possibly serve as a sweeper.

-the pokemon listed in the bottom was just some I thought it may be good to have in the team, but I wasn't sure due to some of the ones I have on my team would do a better job, or that it would only create more problems to fix.

- I could replace Starmie for Donphan, since I haven't used her as much, and that she was pretty much used for her Rapid Spin ability, and some type coverage as a sweeper. Would this be good for Donphan?

Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
EVs: (6 Def, 252 HP, 252 Atk)
Move 1 - Earthquake
Move 2 - Head Smash
Move 3 - Ice Shard
Move 4 - Rapid Spin

* Didn't pick Sand Veil for ability, since Sandstorms aren't that common in battles (I could be wrong with that, but I just don't see them as much).

- Forgot to change Naive to Timid for Heatran, thanks for telling me about it.

- I will switch Rotom-W to a Choice Scarf user as recommended.

- I could change Heatran with a defensive moveset, since I had limited usage of Heatran with revenge kill.

- I could switch Bronzong for Skarmory, since he wouldn't be used as much with Heatran using Stealth Rock, and that Spikes will further increase the damage dealt from the opposing pokemon switching out.

- I could switch out Bullet Punch for Crunch as suggested, since I had BP as backup in case of Extremespeed being useless.

* I thank you for the suggestions you provided me, which I found them to be helpful.
 
xcube2402 said:
- Sorry if my explaination wasn't clear about the role the pokemon in my team plays:

Starmie: Leads the team, eliminates lead sweepers, and clears up any Spikes and Stealth Rock.
Heatran: Used for revenge kill, and then switches to being a sweeper when the battle is coming to an end (when I'm winning).
Gyarados: Used to prevent pokemons from using any status moves, stall certain pokemon, and one of my primary sweeper.
Lucario: Not much to say other than to build up with Sword Dance, and sweep away (Use him if I either know the opponent will switch, or if they lack combat in the current battle situation).
Rotom-W: Another sweeper used in situations when the opponent will be hitting hard, and also serves to stall if possible.
Bronzong: Used to set up Stealth Rock, stall most pokemons, and possibly serve as a sweeper.

-the pokemon listed in the bottom was just some I thought it may be good to have in the team, but I wasn't sure due to some of the ones I have on my team would do a better job, or that it would only create more problems to fix.

- I could replace Starmie for Donphan, since I haven't used her as much, and that she was pretty much used for her Rapid Spin ability, and some type coverage as a sweeper. Would this be good for Donphan?

Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
EVs: (6 Def, 252 HP, 252 Atk)
Move 1 - Earthquake
Move 2 - Head Smash
Move 3 - Ice Shard
Move 4 - Rapid Spin

* Didn't pick Sand Veil for ability, since Sandstorms aren't that common in battles (I could be wrong with that, but I just don't see them as much).

- Forgot to change Naive to Timid for Heatran, thanks for telling me about it.

- I will switch Rotom-W to a Choice Scarf user as recommended.

- I could change Heatran with a defensive moveset, since I had limited usage of Heatran with revenge kill.

- I could switch Bronzong for Skarmory, since he wouldn't be used as much with Heatran using Stealth Rock, and that Spikes will further increase the damage dealt from the opposing pokemon switching out.

- I could switch out Bullet Punch for Crunch as suggested, since I had BP as backup in case of Extremespeed being useless.

* I thank you for the suggestions you provided me, which I found them to be helpful.
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Your Welcome. With these changes I think your team could have some nice potential.
 
- Didn't see the part about Dragonite, sorry about that. That is a good suggestion for Gyarados to be replaced with Dragonite, and I don't really mind what the bad reason may be, just that they have many uses in battle. The moves that Gyarados has is covered by Rotom-W and Donphan, except for Waterfall (being a physical move) and Taunt, which it shouldn't be a major disadvantage for the team.
 
Yea that Donphan set is great. I personally think sturdy is more useful. Only thing i would think about is roar over head smash. Roar is a great move to get rid of subs and baton passers. your choice though
 
- I could switch Head Smash for Roar, since the recoil damage, very low PP, and accuracy can be a problem with Head Smash. Roar would be helpful for Dophan like you said, and it would also further help with the Spike & Stealth Rock tactic. I also did before thought of using Stone Edge instead of Head Smash, but it has about same problems as Head Smash, just without the recoil damage.
 
xcube2402 said:
- I could switch Head Smash for Roar, since the recoil damage, very low PP, and accuracy can be a problem with Head Smash. Roar would be helpful for Dophan like you said, and it would also further help with the Spike & Stealth Rock tactic. I also did before thought of using Stone Edge instead of Head Smash, but it has about same problems as Head Smash, just without the recoil damage.
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Forget about the donphan. Maybe for a UU team. In ou starmie is one of the best spinners and hits hard and really well. Oh and btw switch grass knot for ice beam for better coverage.

And also expand your descriptions a bit. There is no use now if you are considering implementing my changes (wich you really should lol.) I am just saying if a moderator sees this, they will probobly lock it or give you a warning that its going to be locked.
 
- I could go with Starmie instead if Donphan would be problematic in my team, but would not having a earth-type move hinder my team?

- I fixed up the description in my first post, sorry if that part wasn't done well.
 
xcube2402 said:
- I could go with Starmie instead if Donphan would be problematic in my team, but would not having a earth-type move hinder my team?

- I fixed up the description in my first post, sorry if that part wasn't done well.
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having type coverage is never weather your team is good or not, its only if you cover all the common threats in the metagame well.
 
- Just checking, and I'll stick with Starmie, using your suggestions as well. I will test Donphan out in battle to see how well he would do in a OU-tier battle.

- BTW, Thanks for the help with the team.
 
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