Ubers CCAT: Stage 3 - Teammates

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ssbbm said:
Actually, if we don't do Deoxys-A, then we should do either Darkrai or Mewtwo(BUT ONLY IF ITS LO -________-) ; it's always so fun to build a team around these super-offensive pokemon.
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Lol, I personally find it more fun to build a team that fully sweeps the other with one Pokemon. It doesn't matter if that Pokemon is something like a +2/+2 Groudon, or a Kingdra in the rain that can't be outsped (or God forbid a Jumpluff sweep rofl), or simply Deoxys-A who goes to town when all its checks are gone. So yeah, make it happen!
 
I really don't want to see a Mewtwo team. Mewtwo is number 3 for a reason, namely that once its sets up its pretty easy to sweep. Darkrai requires a lot more finesse to use since you have to really think hard about what Pokemon to sweep when. If you pay attention, most good Ubers players will never lead with Dark Void unless it is extremely late in the game, because you will almost always sleep the wrong Pokémon. Mewtwo on the other hand is very straightforward. If it gets a Calm Mind, a lot of the game will just be choosing the move that has the highest power against the opponent's Pokemon.
 
I'd like to see a Zekrom team - choice band or even that subs hone claws set. Groudon is pretty easy to lure/weaken, not to mention it can easily kill/setup in most defensive teams that use ferrothorn to take its hits and scarf kyogre to revenge (easily surviving ice beam).

Darkrai is also fine, although i don't believe it's supposed to sweep entire teams with all the priority, mewtwo and choice scarf kyogre/palkia. Dark void is already as broken as it can be with the new sleep mechanics, so i believe its role is to just weaken the opposition ("killing" two pokemon at least if well played).

Anyways, either one is cool, but i'd rather use zekrom!
 
Garchomp + Zekrom (CB or SubClaws) would be amazing, a Double Dragon strategy without DD or Rayquaza. Make it happen folks, I wanna see this!!!
 
Zekrom really dont need a team for him, he's pretty easy to insert in any offense, or even a stall oriented and help against some minder. We should focus on something else.
 
Okay, so far, we have:
- Darkrai
- CB Zekrom
- Bulk Up Dialga
- CM Arceus-Electric
- Nasty Plot Thundurus*
- Deoxys-A
- SubSD Garchomp
- SubSeed Shaymin-S
- Specs Arceus

* About Thundurus, I honestly think it is outclassed by CM Arceus-Electric. Better Speed and bulk is really worth it, plus better movepool (well, Ice Beam > HP Ice :P). He's still on the list, because Thundurus has been just banned from OU, and I find this CCAT a boost in usage for Thundurus.


I will get the poll up, by tomorrow ~7PM GMT+2. Get more mons going!
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a team centered around CM Dark Arceus. It's a Pokémon seldom seen in the Uber metagame that I think is capable of doing quite a bit of damage, it's a good stallbreaker with moves like Refresh at its disposal. Just my two cents, I guess.

Arceus-Dark @ Dread Plate Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Judgment
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Refresh
 
Deoxys-A and Zekrom would be my picks. Deoxys-A's strength is underrated - especially with Mewtwo gaining attention. A set with Psycho Boost / Superpower / ExtremeSpeed / Shadow Ball, Life Orb and Rash or Mild Nature (with Mild, Dx-A can survive Lugia's Ice Beam, but dx-a will probably just die to Life Orb recoil), can leave major dents in anything not named Jirachi or Spiritomb (or a very bulky Metagross)

Deoxys-A @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Mild / Rash Nature
- Psycho Boost
- Shadow Ball
- Superpower
- ExtremeSpeed

Psycho Boost solidly OHKOes 4 / 0 Reshiram and Palkia (two things that its other moves can't cover), Naughty Giratina-O (Lonely variants still take ~93% min), and max HP Groudon. The killer attack also does 80%-94.6% to Max HP Arceus, 77%-91% to max HP Kyogre, and 70%-82% to 248 HP Ho-Oh and Giratina-A (this guy takes a bit more). Even resisting Pokemon can fall to the might of Psycho Boost. SpDef Forretress takes 57.6%-68% from LO Psycho Boost, putting him into Superpower kill range with Stealth Rock down. 252 HP Dialga takes 51.5% minimum, Max/Max+ Ferrothorn eats a respectable 38%-45%, and 4/0 Mewtwo gets badly dented with 64.6%-76% damage. This means that without a Dark-type Pokemon (Darkceus, TTar, Darkrai, who all despise Superpower), Chansey/Blissey (Superpower), or a specially bulky Psychic resist (or quad resist), Deoxys-A can easily throw out a Psycho Boost and horribly dent someone.

Rash/Mild Deoxys-A's Life Orb Psycho Boost is as strong as +SAtk Dialga's/Palkia's/Reshiram's/Rayquaza's Choice Specs Draco Meteor (well, it's ~0.25% weaker than the Specs DM but that's such a miniscule difference). But of course, what makes Deoxys-A scary is that it can achieve such power while still being able to switch moves around. Oh and also by being incredibly fast.

Max HP Lugia is 2HKOed by LO Shadow Ball (yes, you can 2HKO Lugia with an unSTABed 80 BP move). 4 HP Mewtwo has a 87.5%+ chance of being OHKOed by it (+ because of the crit chance which I didn't bother factoring in).

Even without investment, LO Superpower does a fantastic 79%-93% to max HP Dialga, and 86%-100% to Ferrothorn. SR + 1 layer should be able to enough to destroy them.

ExtremeSpeed's cool for picking off Scarfers. It does ~42% to Palkia, for instance.

Feel free to tweak around the spread (as opposed to just 4 Atk / 252 Speed / 252 SpA). Deoxys-A's ExtremeSpeed has the potential to be stronger than Scizor's Bullet Punch with massive Attack investment if you wish to take that route (or not much if you go with +Atk. It only needs ~458 Attack). At Max Attack, LO ExtremeSpeed is almost as powerful as Adamant Arceus' Silk Scarfed ES, allowing Deoxys-A to deal approximately 50% minimum to Mewtwo, Rayquaza, and Palkia.

My second choice would be Zekrom because it's that one Pokemon I have weird issues fitting him in. Zek is definitely devastating but his lack of defensive presence and Speed (and by extension, the lack of a clearly defined role) made it difficult to incorporate onto a team. I very much look forward to what ideas the community can propose to make a solid team with it.

Also SubSeed Shaymin-S is a very underrated monster but I don't think I'll be picking that due to how annoying it is -.-

EDIT: Yeah max Speed isn't necessary but I'm a bit too lazy to tweak the EVs :p. I'm sure there's a better one out there.
 
Rby94 said:
A Salamence + Rayquaza combo team is definitely worth trying for this project. It isn't just something you can easily build but it is indeed effective.
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I am going to take that as you suggest Salamence, because Rayquaza is frequently seen. I am going to accept it, even though you suggested a strategy and not a specific Pokemon.


Guys, when you suggest something, post the exact Pokemon you want to use and its set!

EDIT: Jibaku, I'm going to take it as you also support the Mild Deo-A that was suggested before.


Also, guys save your support to the poll :P
 
I'd love to see a team around SubSeed Skymin. That Pokemon was MADE for SubSeed (Serene Grace + Air Slash :D). People always expect Choice Scarf; this set is very underrated. I'd love to see what the community can come up with for a team based around Skymin

EDIT: oh right gotta post the set

Shaymin-S
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Air Slash
- Seed Flare
 
Nominating Baton Pass Mew.

Mew @ Lum Berry Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 188 SpD / 68 Spe
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot / Swords Dance
- Rock Polish
- Taunt
- Baton Pass

Quickpassing with this Mew was once one of the most fearsome strategies that ever existed in the Ubers metagame. If we try to build a team around it, we might see how the metagame reacts to this dead strategy, and whether or not it is still potent despite the metagame shift and new Generation.
 
I'd like to see a proper team based around Zekrom, preferably subhone, or anything not choiced for more flavour (maybe mixed EB).

Also a Ho-Oh team would be cool, the bulky subroost version.

Just so that I am not bandwagoning I think that either a Cloyster or a Lucario team could work out very well.
 
As a Deo-A player myself, I don't think max speed is necessary. You only need to outspeed Timid Mewtwo imo. If you bring the "you definitely need the speed tie against other Deo-A" argument, then I'm not even gonna waste my time posting again
 
I offer the idea of building a quick stall team revolving around a Stalling Mewtwo.

Mewtwo @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Taunt
- Light Screen
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

Anyone that went against this last gen knows how easily it breaks stall down and it still is very effective this gen given some hazards. Being able to force pokemon to switch and canceling out all recovery enabling hazard + burn to stack up is awesome. It's bulk isn't something to underestimate either, its able to both set up a will-o-wisp on non-scarf Garchomp before it attacks as well as take 2 scarf kyogre's water spouts assuming it took rocks damage and light screen is up. That's enough to pp stall the spouts out and get some residual damage in too.
 
If you run Modest on Deo-A with rain support then you can run Thunder which iirc kills Mewtwo with SR up, and you can just use Focus Blast to KO everything that Superpower KOes (without that ugly attack drop); FB also actually 2HKOes Bold Chansey and Blissey with SR and Spikes up. The only problem is that FB has a stupid habit of missing /: If you run a Psycho Boost / Ice Beam / Thunder / Focus Blast set then you basically OHKO everything except for pink blobs.
 
I updated my original post with EVs. My issue with Psycho Boost (and Superpower too) is the stats drop. If you are using a pseudo scarfer that CAN switch attacks, why would you use something that could hinder following attacks?

I've said it before, Deoxys-A can't switch into anything so hit and run tactics like Specs Dialga doesn't work. You could argue that prediction helps but the purpose is to run the most effective set.
 
Despite the stat drops given, I think the sheer power of Psycho Boost and Superpower well make up for it, especially as most of the time said Psycho Boost absorber still fears a full power Superpower (unless it's a really bulky Psychic like Lugia). Since Deoxys-A can't afford to switch in a lot (lol), it's a good idea to deal as much damage in the shortest amount of time possible. The thing with Psycho Boost is that it's so powerful that Deoxys-A could throw it around with little prediction and heavily dent something in the process, whereas with Psyshock Deoxys-A would have to predict to get by the opponent's switches (and Deoxys-A can't make an error here or it will die).
 
The Best teams to see would be a LO Deoxys-A, or Darkrai team i never see these two on the ladder and when i do they are often just thrown in a team and used ineffectively.
LO Deoxys is also so uncommon for a reason, but once Giratina-O is gone and a couple of other threats are gone, i think it could do well. Maybe combo with Thunder Wave Kyogre to catch their scarfers out ... Palkia mostly lol....
 
I support using Deoxys-A / Darkrai ! Both of those have been seeing less usage recently and Ubers needs a healthy dose of offense ! I really dont have anything else to say, ibo and Jibaku's posts were too informative :(
 
Jibaku said:
Psycho Boost solidly OHKOes 4 / 0 Reshiram and Palkia (two things that its other moves can't cover), Naughty Giratina-O (Lonely variants still take ~93% min), and max HP Groudon. The killer attack also does 80%-94.6% to Max HP Arceus, 77%-91% to max HP Kyogre, and 70%-82% to 248 HP Ho-Oh and Giratina-A (this guy takes a bit more). Even resisting Pokemon can fall to the might of Psycho Boost. SpDef Forretress takes 57.6%-68% from LO Psycho Boost, putting him into Superpower kill range with Stealth Rock down. 252 HP Dialga takes 51.5% minimum, Max/Max+ Ferrothorn eats a respectable 38%-45%, and 4/0 Mewtwo gets badly dented with 64.6%-76% damage. This means that without a Dark-type Pokemon (Darkceus, TTar, Darkrai, who all despise Superpower), Chansey/Blissey (Superpower), or a specially bulky Psychic resist (or quad resist), Deoxys-A can easily throw out a Psycho Boost and horribly dent someone.
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Aren't most of the Pokemon you listed outsped by Deoxys-A and finished off by Extremespeed if they switch into Psychic (especially with SR down)?
 
Banedon said:
Aren't most of the Pokemon you listed outsped by Deoxys-A and finished off by Extremespeed if they switch into Psychic (especially with SR down)?
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They are but the thing is that when using Deoxys-A as a revenge-killer, a lot of Pokemon are not OHKOed by Psychic, that leaves it quite useless. The SpA drop doesnt really matter for Deo-A since it is more a hit and run attacker anyway.
 
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