A 5th gen HO Team

Purple Hurricane

Hello my name is Purple Hurricane. I have lurked on Smogon for awhile now and I decided to get some team help here. This is my first rmt. This is a HO team that I have been using for around 1 week now. I need some help making even better and get me higher up on the ladder. Well that's my introduction now on to the team...
AT A GLANCE
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First off is my Dual Screener
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Deoxys-S @ Light Clay
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt
Pretty standard dual screen set here. EVs for maxium speed and some bulk. Timid for max speed. Light Clay to make screens last longer. I lead with this 99% of the time. Gets up screens nice and early making it easier to sweep teams. Both screens to make it easier to set up with my other pokemon. Taunt to stop other pokemon from setting up. Stealth Rock because all teams need a hazard. Also because it breaks sashes and opposing Dragonite's Multiscale.

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Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch
I use Lucario here because Him and Terrakion make an amazing duo. Since Lucario and Terrakion share similar counters it makes them work well together.
Anyway Standard Swords Dance Set here. Maximum Attack and Speed for any frail sweeper. Life Orb to increase damage output. Swords Dance to increase attack and make attacks hurt like a bitch. Close Combat for a powerful STAB attack to spam. ExtremeSpeed for priority and to revenge weakend pokemon after Terrakion dented them. Crunch is there because I do not in the least bit fear Gliscor. I would rather hit Slowbro and Jellicent over Gliscor.

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Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Taunt
- Earthquake
I <3 me some Haxorus. Haxorus is a very strong pokemon under screens. With this set and given evs let me outspeed Terrakion after a DD as well as Scarf Rotom-W. Max Attack and Adamant to make Haxorus fuck more shit up. Lum Berry so that Jirachi gives me extra set up as it tries to parahax. Dragon Dance to increase Attack and Speed. Outrage is a amazing STAB attack that should be used on all Haxorus. Taunt may seem weird but it lets me reliably beat Skarmory who is the only counter to my beloved Haxy. Earthquake to hit things such as Bronzong/Jirachi/Gengar/Rotom-W without having to be locked into Outrage.

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Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
Scizor is an amazing late game cleaner. EVs for a little more bulk and Maximum power with some speed. Adamant because it makes Scizor even stronger. Life Orb is really amazing tbh. I used to always use leftovers but when I used Life Orb I realized how much better it was. Sword Dance for more attack. Superpower for steels such as Ferrothorn and Heatran. Bullet Punch for more priority and STAB. Bug Bite is a good spamable STAB attack. I use this to revenge Dragonites, The Lati Twins, and Terrakions.

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Salamence (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
My second dragon. I use Salamence over Dragonite because I like the ability to get through steel types such as Skarmory and Ferrothorn. Obviously max attack and speed to help sweep. Dragon Dance because it makes Salamence all that much better by increasing attack and speed in one turn. Outrage is a mandatory STAB on all dragons. Earthquake is for Jirachi and other Grounded Steels. Fire Blast is used to hit the likes of Bronzong/Skarmory/Ferrothorn. This completes my Double Dragon Core.

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Terrakion @ Rock Gem
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
Finnaly the pokemon i hyped up in Lucario's paragraph. Anyway Terrakion is an amazing pokemon. It completes a nice Double Fight Core with Lucario. Max Attack and Speed for a sweeper. Rock Gem to grab the ohko on Gliscor after a SD and some prior damage with Stone Edge. (This is the reason why i do not use ice punch.) I use Rock Polish if i am battling a frailer more offensive team. I use Swords Dance if the team is slower and more defensive. Both STABS used here because of the amazing coverage that they possess.

Well thats my HO team. Rate the team and you can be as critical as you want I will not get upset.
TAKE A FINAL LOOK
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This is pretty much as classic as HO can get 5th gen with all physical attackers.
It looks pretty solid as long as screens are up and deadly without screens which is very good. Not only can you sacrifice the Pokemon you don't need and still do damage while leaving them in, but not much can set up on most of your Pokemon.

I would suggest that you change your Scizors speed however. 216 is a lot and I don't exactly know what you are out speeding.

I would run this Scizor (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Bug Bite

It fits his speed tier nicely unless you have something specific you are trying to outspeed.

This is a nice HO team for the current meta, however keep in mind that people are trying to find ways around such teams. Good luck.
 
After battling this team, you have nothing to deal with starmie especially in the rain as she can pretty much OHKO all of your team. I suggest you get rid of one of your dragons (I would suggest salamence) and replace him with a scarf rotom-w.
 
Thundur said:
After battling this team, you have nothing to deal with starmie especially in the rain as she can pretty much OHKO all of your team. I suggest you get rid of one of your dragons (I would suggest salamence) and replace him with a scarf rotom-w.
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Choice Pokemon on HO = BIG no-no.

So Rotom-W revenges Starmie with Thunderbolt, now what? They bring in a Pokemon that resists it and turns Rotom-W into set-up bait. That is not something that you can afford to have on HO.
 
LucaroarkZ said:
Choice Pokemon on HO = BIG no-no.

So Rotom-W revenges Starmie with Thunderbolt, now what? They bring in a Pokemon that resists it and turns Rotom-W into set-up bait. That is not something that you can afford to have on HO.
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Volt switch and btw one of the most successful HO teams had a scarf rotom.
 
Thundur said:
Volt switch and btw one of the most successful HO teams had a scarf rotom.
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If it had a Scarf anything it was not hyper offense and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

If you KO something with Volt Switch, you give up your offensive pressure and now the pressure is on you because you gave your opponent switch advantage. If you KO something with Thunderbolt, your opponent can bring in something to resist it and set up on your choice-locked Thunderbolt. HO is about keeping offensive pressure in your favor and preventing your opponent from setting up all over you, and with a choiced Pokemon, you're going to get set up on by something like Terrakion and get swept.

As for a real rate - Why Rock Gem on Terrakion and not Life Orb/Air Balloon? I think you should change Terrakion's item to Life Orb.
 
Ya starmie is difficult to handle so I am gonna test out thundurs suggestion and rock gem after a SD deals 90%+ to stanard gliscor so that is why mite test out balloon tho
 
Thundur said:
Volt switch and btw one of the most successful HO teams had a scarf rotom.
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Actually, that is Heavy Offense. This is Hyper Offense.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Rate: For your Haxorus, use a Double Dance set. I have used it on many of my Hyper Offense teams and it is a VERY good Pokemon for a team like this.

Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
Dragon Dance | Outrage | Earthquake | Swords Dance​

For Lucario, I have used it before and it hasn't really done me any bit of good due to the fact that it's defenses are horrible and even under screens, it is hard to survive 3 turns without loosing a massive amount of health. Scrafty might be better in that spot, but that is just my two cents.
 
Purple Hurricane said:
I've used scrafty before and liked it. Also I use taunt so that walls such as ferro and skarm can't seed or phaze me but ill test it out
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Don't use Taunt, just switch into Salamence and One/2HKO if it doesn't switch.

Sometimes you just have to switch.

But, if it has Swords Dance and gets two Swords Dances in, 2HKO Ferro with EQ and 2HKO Skarm with Outrage on the switch.
 
Please don't use Scrafty. Its offenses are pathetic. Also, it can't even outspeed Timid Alakazam at +1 (even with Jolly nature), so that's kinda sad, whereas you have Luke's ExtremeSpeed to take care of faster threats.
 
Well I've used it as well on HO, and it's never really worked out that well.

Also, my other Lucario > Scrafty argument is that Close Combat is an infinitely better STAB move than Hi Jump Kick solely on the grounds that it's 100% accurate and HJK isn't.
 
LucaroarkZ said:
Well I've used it as well on HO, and it's never really worked out that well.

Also, my other Lucario > Scrafty argument is that Close Combat is an infinitely better STAB move than Hi Jump Kick solely on the grounds that it's 100% accurate and HJK isn't.
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I use Drain Punch for HP recovery and have pulled off 5-0 sweeps because of it. Drain Punch is ultimately better than HJK on Scrafty.
 
Okay are we going to turn this into a "Is Scrafty good or not?" debate thread?

I'm just saying, Lucario has better moves and offensive stats than Scrafty, so I find that it's ultimately the better choice for HO. Scrafty's bulk isn't much of an advantage either, as without screens, Close Combats and Focus Blasts are still OHKOing it.
 
LucaroarkZ said:
Okay are we going to turn this into a "Is Scrafty good or not?" debate thread?

I'm just saying, Lucario has better moves and offensive stats than Scrafty, so I find that it's ultimately the better choice for HO. Scrafty's bulk isn't much of an advantage either, as without screens, Close Combats and Focus Blasts are still OHKOing it.
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No, I'm just saying that I found Scrafty to be better.

We all have our own oppinions and the OP is the one to decide the better Pokemon for the slot.
 
okay so as of now im testing out a scrafty over lucario. Also a scarf rotom-w over salamence to handle starmie. I would like a suggestion for another starmie counter/check.
 
Purple Hurricane said:
okay so as of now im testing out a scrafty over lucario. Also a scarf rotom-w over salamence to handle starmie. I would like a suggestion for another starmie counter/check.
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Don't use a Scarf Rotom. Don't use a scarf. Don't use Rotom at all. It can't set up. Don't use a choice item on a hyper offense team. It defeats the purpose.

Up to you though.
 
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