Alright, I see your point. Who do you think I should use in place of Lucario, as you don't think it does very good?
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Armageddon: The Real Thing
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Alright, I see your point. Who do you think I should use in place of Lucario, as you don't think it does very good?
Earlier I suggested a lucario set that I still think might work for your team, but if you want a revenge killer, scarf landorus might do well for your team. It's able to effectively revenge terrakion, who has potential to give your team trouble and has access to u-turn, which can allow it to switch out from things like skarmory who frequently switch in on landorus, giving volcarona a chance to set up.
Thanks, I'll be trying Scarf Landorus.
EDIT: Would this be a relatively good set?
EQ Genie (Landorus) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Brick Break
- Rock Slide
Sorry it took so long, here's your rate.
You have several large weakness to common OU Pokes, while some of these can be fixed rather easily, others will cause you to rearrange your team structure. I'll start you off with your weaknesses, and then go to fixing them, as well as other minor bugs.
Rotom-W: Your team has no good way of handling it, and Chansey is the only one who can really wall it. However, most Rotom-Ws make use of Trick, which will render Chansey close to useless. Virizion could deal with this weakness, and could prove a practical revenge killer in place of Lucario. Virizion will still offer you a fighting type, and also offers a chance at a boosting mixed sweeper. The downside is that you will loose a priority move, although Dragonite's Extremespeed should be enough.
Choice Scarf Terrakion: OHKOes Dragonite, Chansey, Lucario, Gengar, and Volcarona. Replacing Lucario with Virizion will also help here as well, since Virizion can OHKO Terrakion and even take X-Scissors. Also if you see one, keep Forretress alive at all costs.
Rain + Tornadurs: Although Tornadurs isn't too common in OU today, he can still manage and OHKO on Volcarona, Virizion (If you take my set, and Lucario if you don't), Gengar, Dragonite (If rocks are up), Forretress (If spikes or rocks are up), and 2HKOes Chnasey. The best way to fix this, is by changing Chansey's nature to Calm so that she will have time to paralyze and pass a Wish before she is KOed. Gengar can also deal with Specs Tornadurs, but the Special Defense on Chansey will help a lot, and Timid doesn't offer much as it is.
Para Shuffler Dragonite: You have no way of dealing with it, and it can simply Dragon Tail away any of your stat boosting Pokes. Disable won't do much, other than disposing of a single move (Substitute blocks this anyway), and since Gengar is so frail, he won't last long anyway. The worst of it all is that this problem can't be fixed without making radical changes, and I'v already offered enough changes as it is. The good thing is that Para Shuffler Dragonite is very rare in today's meta-game, but keep an eye out for it.
Other Improvements: I personally like max Hp on Volcarona so that is has time to set up. Since Special Attack can always be boosted, and because you aren't using Volcarona for revenge killing, you probably don't need it on this set. Also Leftovers is a better item than Life Orb, since you have no other form of recovery without having to switch. Dragon Claw is also downright pitiful on Dragonite, and Outrage should be tested in its place.
Sets:
Virizion @ Leftovers
104 Atk/152 Sp. Atk/252 Spe
Hasty
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Ice)
Everything is yours to test, good luck Fate Itself
~Dragone
You have several large weakness to common OU Pokes, while some of these can be fixed rather easily, others will cause you to rearrange your team structure. I'll start you off with your weaknesses, and then go to fixing them, as well as other minor bugs.
Rotom-W: Your team has no good way of handling it, and Chansey is the only one who can really wall it. However, most Rotom-Ws make use of Trick, which will render Chansey close to useless. Virizion could deal with this weakness, and could prove a practical revenge killer in place of Lucario. Virizion will still offer you a fighting type, and also offers a chance at a boosting mixed sweeper. The downside is that you will loose a priority move, although Dragonite's Extremespeed should be enough.
Choice Scarf Terrakion: OHKOes Dragonite, Chansey, Lucario, Gengar, and Volcarona. Replacing Lucario with Virizion will also help here as well, since Virizion can OHKO Terrakion and even take X-Scissors. Also if you see one, keep Forretress alive at all costs.
Rain + Tornadurs: Although Tornadurs isn't too common in OU today, he can still manage and OHKO on Volcarona, Virizion (If you take my set, and Lucario if you don't), Gengar, Dragonite (If rocks are up), Forretress (If spikes or rocks are up), and 2HKOes Chnasey. The best way to fix this, is by changing Chansey's nature to Calm so that she will have time to paralyze and pass a Wish before she is KOed. Gengar can also deal with Specs Tornadurs, but the Special Defense on Chansey will help a lot, and Timid doesn't offer much as it is.
Para Shuffler Dragonite: You have no way of dealing with it, and it can simply Dragon Tail away any of your stat boosting Pokes. Disable won't do much, other than disposing of a single move (Substitute blocks this anyway), and since Gengar is so frail, he won't last long anyway. The worst of it all is that this problem can't be fixed without making radical changes, and I'v already offered enough changes as it is. The good thing is that Para Shuffler Dragonite is very rare in today's meta-game, but keep an eye out for it.
Other Improvements: I personally like max Hp on Volcarona so that is has time to set up. Since Special Attack can always be boosted, and because you aren't using Volcarona for revenge killing, you probably don't need it on this set. Also Leftovers is a better item than Life Orb, since you have no other form of recovery without having to switch. Dragon Claw is also downright pitiful on Dragonite, and Outrage should be tested in its place.
Sets:
Virizion @ Leftovers
104 Atk/152 Sp. Atk/252 Spe
Hasty
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Ice)
Everything is yours to test, good luck Fate Itself
~Dragone
Thanks for finally getting to this, I'll be trying Virizion heavily. A few things I want to comment on:
Rotom-W: I am really weak to it; thanks for pointing that out.
CS Terrakion: I'm weak to it again, thanks.
Rain Tornadus: I thought it was an Uber. Oh, wait, that's Thundurus. Weak to it again, thanks.
Para-Shuffler Dragonite: Again, I'm a fail against it.
Outrage > Dragon Claw D-Nite will be tested. Also max HP on Volcarona.
How do you find these mistakes?
Change your first post to the new team, not say "here's the new team..." since most raters don't look at the comments when they rate.
Anyways, Lucario needs a little help with it's moveset. If Lucario is cleaning up teams, HJK has 90% and can miss, which can end his sweep. Since Lucario's defenses aren't great so the defense drops don't matter that much. Additioally, if it's not in the OHKO range of Close Combat, then your teammates didn't do their job. It's only small power difference, so the other team only needs just a little more weakening. Also, go for Crunch over Shadow Claw. Crunch has more power, and isn't immune by things like Blissey, who could wall you if you're locked into it (lol, Bliss walling Luc). And Stone Edge over EQ wouldn't hurt, since they have similar coverage, except for a couple things like Jirachi, and has great coverage with CC, as shown by Terrakion. Speaking of Terrakion, another option could be to replace Lucario with Terrakion, because imo, Terrakion's a better choice user.
Lastly, if you do replace someone with Landorus, I would go with Naive (don't forget to put HP Ice!), otherwise you lose the ability to revenge kill +1 Base 100s like Volcarona or Salamence. One last thing - it'd be nice if you could reply to other peoples post in one big post, not a lot of smaller posts.
Anyways, Lucario needs a little help with it's moveset. If Lucario is cleaning up teams, HJK has 90% and can miss, which can end his sweep. Since Lucario's defenses aren't great so the defense drops don't matter that much. Additioally, if it's not in the OHKO range of Close Combat, then your teammates didn't do their job. It's only small power difference, so the other team only needs just a little more weakening. Also, go for Crunch over Shadow Claw. Crunch has more power, and isn't immune by things like Blissey, who could wall you if you're locked into it (lol, Bliss walling Luc). And Stone Edge over EQ wouldn't hurt, since they have similar coverage, except for a couple things like Jirachi, and has great coverage with CC, as shown by Terrakion. Speaking of Terrakion, another option could be to replace Lucario with Terrakion, because imo, Terrakion's a better choice user.
Lastly, if you do replace someone with Landorus, I would go with Naive (don't forget to put HP Ice!), otherwise you lose the ability to revenge kill +1 Base 100s like Volcarona or Salamence. One last thing - it'd be nice if you could reply to other peoples post in one big post, not a lot of smaller posts.