NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win

j-squared said:
Once again, I urge everyone to read back through D1, pay attention to Staraptor Call's posts, and lynch SC's replacement Engineer Pikachu. I know Ditto's defense of Quagsires looks pretty bad as well, but there's nothing I can do to change that now.
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"lynch EP the person he subbed in for had bad logic on D1 disregard the person I subbed in for who also had bad logic"

See the problem there?
I'll probably still get lynched tomorrow because the village in NOC games is usually full of idiots. When I flip village, hopefully you guys will pay attention to who I think is mafia: EP, Jalmont/sub, and Brammi/sub. Vigilante, I would recommend killing EP tonight if I get lynched. If EP is mafia like I suspect, turn the spotlight on Jumpluff. Listen to Billymills, even though he is wrong in this instance, but be careful: I'm still not sure there isn't a 3rd faction in this game. Hopefully the inspector doesn't get killed tonight or we will really be f'ed.
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I'm sorry for being horribly anal, but how do you know that there's a vigilante? I don't know whether it's standard to have a vig in NOC games, so if it is, excuse me, but there's really no way you can assume this, is there? Moreover, from what I get from the part quoted at the top, your reason that I should be lynched/killed is the very same one that you are guilty of, yet you're denying it on your part. I don't see how you can accuse me of one thing and ignore that very same thing on the person you subbed in for.
j-squared said:
It's this thing called "Math." You should try it sometime.
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Do explain. I don't see how you can deduce that they've probably discovered the identity of our inspector from pure numbers; using this as an excuse to draw out the inspector seems so scummy it's not even funny.

EDIT: what's a cult ?_?
 
zorbees said:
I thought you subbed in for Ditto, not Brammi. ?_?
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lol

I think you'd want Brammi for the cult thing actually, I didn't even know what it was until I Googled it just then. I really really hope there is not a cult and I would find a janitor more likely since it was in Walrein's last NOC. However, nobody's PM has gone missing.

I think honestly at the point you start considering cults and things you can just cut the Gordian knot and say the inspector is inactive or has nothing to say. That or they are just dropping hints and nobody is picking up on them. For all we know the Mask is an inspectionproof item (though I would sincerely hope if the inspector got 'no result' on someone, they would take that as scum).

I don't get the EP Mafia -> jumpluff mafia link, other than that jumpluff voted you over EP today, for what appears to be valid reasoning.
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Actually, I do see a vestige of what he's getting at, but I already defended myself from the things he brought up (e.g. me commenting I couldn't 'reconcile' their behaviour = I'm trying to get a consistent read on them).
 
Paperblade and Snike also have some experience with cults over at sf, although I'm not 100% sure on that. I also don't know the pasts of every user, some people could've played mafia on some other sites. Anyways, the only reason I brought up cults is because there has only been one kill a night, so a wolf seems unlikely, but some other third party such as a cult is still possible. But I do agree that it isn't a major point, I was just bringing it up again since no one commented the first time.
 
I am not persuaded this time. However, I don't think anyone has claimed to be persuaded this day, so if you are, speak up. It could give us some information. The mafia has persuaded someone days 1-3, so we may have targeted a mafia with some sort of night role that stops it if no one has been persuaded. I find it unlikely that they would stop persuading out of the blue.

Also, a cult fits with Medieval flavor.
 
Thought this would be worth noting after reading some of the recent stuff:
Yeti said:
we'll see how quag flips i guess. i maintain if quag is mafia, aska is suspicious, due to how NOBODY once suspected him d1. almost seems a bit too scripted, like he's trying to be the perfect villager and stay out of anyone's spotlight.
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This is in no way calling you out aska, just something that I noticed. I know that I may be missing some of the context of this, but nobody has addressed what Yeti had said the night before she died, so I thought this would be worth bringing up.

As for cults, I honestly don't know because I haven't been in this game long enough to notice (cult movement that is) and I've never played any games of mafia outside of Smogon so my knowledge of them is limited to what I was able to find from a mere Google search, so I don't know how viable they would be.

Also, would somebody be kind and do us all a favor and compile all of the updates in one post (preferably if the hosts can do this for me and all of the rest of the subs who don't want to go through 40 pages searching for updates). If that could be done, it would be great, as I would like to read through each and every one.

Edit: THANK YOU JUMPLUFF!!! :D (and I will also answer your question once I have the chance to look into it further. It is late right now and I don't think I'll be able to answer it thoroughly anytime soon, seeing as my flight leaves tomorrow evening and I won't be back until Sunday morning CST, but I'll try to, in the very least, partially answer it somehow tomorrow, in other words, I need sleep, lol).
 
If I have time tomorrow I'll link all the updates to the OP.

Edit: pluff is awesome nvm

Edit2: stole pluff's list and put it in the op, will try to keep that updated.
 
Okay a few things.

Echoing Leethoof in that whoever got pursuaded, if they exist, should say so.

Despite noting Ditto's shady behavior regarding Quagsires's wagon on D1 before any of you slugs (i believe it was on d1, wow!), I still don't feel 'teh scums' from j-squared and am inclined to believe that 'the king' is town. In the meantime, Brammi/Ace Emerald remains as scummy as ever, and I would like him to post things asap so I know if to pursue this further or not.

So, no, not lynching j-squared. He has stuff against him warranting his lynch but my gut feeling regarding his active behavior & claim is telling me to back off and fast.
 
Whom would you promote pursuing instead, other than Brammi?

I might well just be tunnelling here and acknowledge he may just have had better instinct than I do (because both of these lynches are ones I support/ed at the time, and at least one of them was wrong), but I can't help but find B_T distancing himself from this lynch as well as the Cereza lynch really odd; it kinda makes me want to change my vote, even though I've found little redeeming from j^2 and Ditto. It's like he knows the village is wrong and is attempting to make himself look better for it. If this lynch results in j^2 dying and flipping scum then I'm wrong. If it results in him dying and flipping town then I'm wary of B_T.

Why does this shit always have to happen at deadline...
 
Was the last line directed at me or j-squared? Since there's also the time when I defended Quagsires due to the very same gut reasons...

I was not very motivated these last days so I don't have much in the way of other opinions. I'll get some free time tomorrow so I'll reread then.

Edit: When is deadline?
 
@Jumpluff: you might want to actually go back and read yeti's role pm. The King and Queen are both specifically mentioned in it.

@EP: to answer your questions. Yes, it is fairly standard for the town to have a vigilante inn these games (someone with more experience feel free to correct me).

As far as the math is concerned. 19 players left. I guessing that at least 4 are mafia. If they have a role checker (pretty standard role), thats maybe 4 players to cross out (though I believe the mafia probably inspected wick N0, leading to his death N1) also take out obvious non-inspectors like myself, billymills, and yourself (if your really telling the truth), the # goes down even further. Just based on that, they have around a 1:8 chance of hitting the inspector, and thats's not factoring in any reads that they might have. Do you really want to risk that on D4, which is actually really late for the inspector to come out in an NOC game?

From what I've read, you haven't really given a good defense at all. Basically, it's been "oh I got subbed in, therefore I'm not mafia" which is about the crappiest reason I've ever heard. Yes, the people we subbed for both look bad D1. But you also have another sub (Ullar) who did some more shady stuff D2 like claim for absolutely no reason at all the quit suddenly.

Please give a detailed defense of why I shouldn't vote you in your next post. Knowing your role name would also be benefical, especially since you have already claimed a role.
 
You reply fast so I'm not sure what the last line was at the time of your post! Regardless, everything was directed at you.

To be honest I forgot about the Quagsires thing, you seem to have a problem with most major lynch candidates. Still I can't help but feel uneasy about it. Everything I have examined on j^2 minus the King claim (and I don't buy that as auto-clean) suggests to me he is scummy. I've had a problem with most of the things he's posted. But then your behaviour makes me doubt my read and make me less certain this is the correct lynch. It's not so much that I agree with you, as I evidently don't, but it just seems ominous... I'm tired and having a little trouble explaining this coherently, sorry :/

Not that defending Quagsires based on gut makes it look any better, but it does contradict somewhat my feeling that you know something I don't.

j^2: Okay, will do. But I'm not sure where people are getting this conception that Ullar claimed for the fun of it. Unless it was a calculated scum-motivated soft claim, he did it because he let it slip that he had some kind of night action and I pressed him on that, taking it as a scumslip. Doesn't really make it any better but I don't like misinformation being perpetrated.

ETA: There's no confirmation in there the King and Queen are actually in the game. Honestly, there hasn't been any time for any real King to come out. But... I don't like the feeling I'm getting anymore from a combination of your claim and B_T. I'll make a decision on whether to follow this read or not in the next few hours.
 
The last line at the time was "It's like he knows the village is wrong and is attempting to make himself look better for it". It was right after a comment on j-squared so I wasn't sure.

I have a tendency to oppose lynches when I feel they are wrong / rushed. Quagsires's was escalating fast and I thought it was a towntell. Now that this happens for practically every wagon and I've been proven wrong, I don't do this anymore. However, j-squared does legitimately seem town to me right now so why would I not oppose his lynch?
 
Sorry for the ambiguous phrasing.

I'm not arguing you shouldn't oppose it, but it's something I've noticed before that makes you stick out a bit to me. And I am hesitant about your motives for opposing it.

Oddly enough this wagon is actually slow for once, despite many people condemning j^2's scumminess; there are three (3) votes on it right now after five days, though I in part attribute that to inactivity.
 
Mafia have to consider if they want to off a possibility at an inspector or a sure villager that could harm them.

I completely agree with Jumpluff that BT does seem to be distancing himself, and his retort that he distanced himself from quagsires just makes things worse.

J-Squared if you could, provide details about what your role does, or if you could gain roles later on (did you gain anything when yeti died?).

I would like the inspector to take a serious look at where he thinks he is in this game, if he's suspected or presumed clean, or otherwise. Claiming, in all likelihood, will mean we don't get any more results, either by hooks or night kills. Do not claim if you are relatively sure you are safe.

As it stands now, I'll have to look back at BT's distancing posts wrt Cereza, Ditto and Quagsires, but there's a good chance, if what Jumpluff said is true, that we will lynch him today.
 
I'd capitalise your initial to retaliate but j^2 has been doing it enough to overcompensate.

As it stands now, I'll have to look back at BT's distancing posts wrt Cereza, Ditto and Quagsires, but there's a good chance, if what Jumpluff said is true, that we will lynch him today.
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Who are you expecting to vote with you? (Only half a troll question.)

Also, are you planning to fix your vote? (See: the vote count. @_@)
 
I find it odd that you hurry to write off an opposition to a wagon as distancing. Is there no other reason for me to be doing this? In order to avoid a mislynch, perhaps?

This would be directed at pluff as well but she is actually still considering other options for the cause of my behavior, which is the correct townie thing to do.
 
Ok looking back I didn't get much on BT. Yes he was somewhat opposed to the Cereza and Quagsires lynches, but understandably so. When me and zorbees voted unclesam early d1, he was the first person to call us out on it. That's not really distancing himself from a lynch but outright opposing it before it has a chance to go through. He wasn't very opposed to the Quagsires lynch and actually reacted to my revelation that I hooked Quagsires quite well.

As for j-squared:

So, if you got flavor saying your hook worked, I would assume Quagsires would get similar flavor saying he was hooked. I just don't see why he would then lie about the hook flavor? What would he gain from this?

Something isn't adding up...
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What the hell is going on?

Billy, what did you expect to gain from hooking Quag? If he's village, you just hooked our alliance checker and made him look suspicious. Good job. If he's mafia, you just gave him a free out to say he got hooked. Why would he lie about hook flavor? Doesn't make any sense to me, please explain.

You go from asking not to be inspected before N2 to hooking a suspected alliance checker. WTF games are you trying to play?
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Did you get flavor saying your hooked worked?
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Adding this to Ditto's extremely odd voting during the Quagsires d1 lynch, I think the conclusion is pretty clear.

Also @pluff: I wasn't planning on it because I thought it would reach plurality pretty quickly, but it seems everyone else is lazy too. @@vote J-Squared@@
 
Meh, going with this because j-squared is likely to be lynched and understandably so.

I have reasons to believe 'the king' is in this game. Also, I have reasons to believe 'the king' is allied with the kingdom. I have no concrete proof that proves this directly, but I do not think I am wrong.
 
The king could very well be in the game, and I'm sure you're implying you have some sort of flavor to infer that he is.

However the king may well not be allied with the kingdom. In the opening post the King seems like a tyrant.

It's possible that the King is a wolf that was set off by killing yeti. I like this possibility because it explains why the mafia killed Yeti.

It's possible the mafia know the King is in the game but have reasons to kill him. They know Quagsires' false claim worked extremely well (he survived 2 extra days) so it's possible they'll try another false claim to out the real King.
 
I have flavor that leads me to believe 'the king' is in this game, yes. The very same flavor shows 'the king' taking initiative to order people to help fight off the MM's.

I can't really disprove some of your points but they seem a tad unlikely.
 
Blue_Tornado said:
Meh, going with this because j-squared is likely to be lynched and understandably so.

I have reasons to believe 'the king' is in this game. Also, I have reasons to believe 'the king' is allied with the kingdom. I have no concrete proof that proves this directly, but I do not think I am wrong.
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Was the first line meant to be an acceptance of the lynch? It doesn't seem so from your exchange from billymills, so...?

I'd like to note that Cereza's PM also contained this flavour, by the way.

Are there any things you feel make j^2 less scummy, apart from the claim of king, or is it just pure inexplicable gut?
 
The first line says "j-squared is likely to be lynched and I understand why people are lynching him (and agree) but since I believe he is town regardless of this I will explain why, since I don't want him to be lynched".

From the top of my head, the knee-jerk reaction to my attacking Ditto when he subbed in, and there's something in how he claimed that makes me doubt it's a scum fakeclaim.

I really do not have much time at the moment so I'll elaborate later.
Blue_Tornado said:
When is deadline?
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It's in like 12 hours, give or take a few.

It is now Day 4. Day 4 ends 5 days from now, on February 30th at 6:30 CST.
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lol yes February 30th. Assuming Walrein meant exactly five days from the update, 14 hours.

ETA: yessss #1000 and it wasn't even a useful post
 
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