Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th

[OVERGRO]

More evidence against Hoenn is that in Japan they're giving away tons of Gen3 pokemon:
Nobunga's Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon, Metagross, Sceptile, etc. all on the new bullet trains. Why would they give away all the gen 3 legends for free if they were planning to release access to them through a trip to Hoenn?

The MOST plausible thing I can think of (and I'm still extremely skeptical about it) is "a few years later" scenario. Maybe a surprise appearance by Team Magma/Aqua since Plasma is 'gone'.
A few years later you start a new adventure, retrace your old steps, and face yourself as the champion much later?

 

[Nova]

I don't think the fact that they're direct sequels makes another region likely. I think it's as likely as everything else we don't know. That is to say, possible.

IMO, Kyurem will retain its Dragon typing. And since it would be redundant for him to change to Reshiram's and Zekrom's typings, I'll say it will remain an Ice type too.

BTW, I don't think Ho-Oh's typing is terrible. In a SR infested era (as of DP), the Rock quad weakness is a liability but Water and Electric are its only other weaknesses. As a Fire type, it's nice to be able to laugh at Ground attacks.

Ho-oh also has Roost to recover off the SR damage amd eventually it will get Regenerator so it has less to fear from SR. Atm, kyurem unfortunately has neither

 

[Aerodactyl Legend]

Lol that doesn't count, it was the beta design for Latias...

Haha, yeah, but it's still interesting how Blaziken split off from that.

Show much speculation in this thread...for all we know, they'll could just do something simple. Most profitable way for Nintendo + Game Freak.

 

[DDRMaster]

Hoenn: Yeah, I was thinking of separate games for these as well, but loading onto an airplane and going to Hoenn from Unova would be pretty sweet. =P

New Pokemon/forms: I am all for introducing new Pokemon (not just formes like Giratina-O, etc) in the middle of a generation; it just makes the new games all that more attractive. I was thinking of Hoenn introducing new Pokemon that were always there but we had never seen before, eg evolution of Banette, a middle stage connecting Luvdisc and Alomomola, Spinda evolution, etc. I'm also not against introducing new abilities in the middle of the generation either...I mean, this isn't RBY, this is 2012, so if we can have wicked shit like Black and White, then surely we'll be able to handle a few extra Pokemon?

Other changes:
-Flareon gets Flare Blitz.
-All Pokemon are at least as fast as their evolutions. (Ugh..Magneton is viable due to to 10 extra speed points?)
-An Eviolite nerf: c'mon, Dusclops is better than Dusknoir thanks to a stupid stone? I say we change Eviolite so that it pumps up a Pokemon's defenses...to match those of its immediate evolution.
-Honchkrow gets Prankster (and is as fast as Murkrow). I'm sick of this "Honchkrow is RU" debate.
-Spinda, Farfetch'd, Sableye, Mawile get evolutions.:doom:

Not getting Hoenn and Flareon getting Flare Blitz are the only ones of those that are plausible. While new Pokemon in the middle of a generation would be cool, the games would have to not be backwards compatible with BW. When you battle with new forms with the old games, the game can figure out things to display like the old forms sprite. With new Pokemon, the old games would have no clue what to do and would be forced to display a sprite of a Missingno.

Gamefreak isn't going to change the stats of old Pokemon. Your Eviolite nerf doesn't really work because things like Shelmet and Porygon2 would actually lose Defenses and things like Murkrow wouldn't be helped very much because Honchkrow only has useable bulk due to its high HP. Moxie is better for Honchkrow due to the fact that it can sweep with boosted Sucker Punches. Honchkrow can't use Prankster all that well either, because it's not all that bulky. Spinda, Farfetch'd, Sableye, and Mawile aren't getting evolutions because there's not going to be any new Pokemon in these games. There's still a slim chance that they'd get new forms, though.

 

[Scorpio]

Yeah, I think we should save the new Pokemon for Gen 6. I'm secretly hoping that GF delays the R/S remakes until then so we can get the new Pokemon. I can think of several in Hoenn that could use evolutions (besides the obvious, Corsola comes to mind...)

Also, I admit I am bugged by pre-evos being better than their evolutions due to Eviolite. However, I have a better solution: any middle-stage Pokemon (Dusclops, Porygon2, Chansey, Magneton) holding it only have their defenses boosted by 1.25x instead of 1.5x. It makes sense in context as well because the middle stage Pokemon have already evolved once, thus losing some of the Eviolite potential.

Also also, I think it's been determined that Flareon is better off with Blaze Kick. :P

 

[SomeBritishGuy]

-Flareon gets Flare Blitz.
-All Pokemon are at least as fast as their evolutions. (Ugh..Magneton is viable due to to 10 extra speed points?)
-An Eviolite nerf: c'mon, Dusclops is better than Dusknoir thanks to a stupid stone? I say we change Eviolite so that it pumps up a Pokemon's defenses...to match those of its immediate evolution.
-Honchkrow gets Prankster (and is as fast as Murkrow). I'm sick of this "Honchkrow is RU" debate.
-Spinda, Farfetch'd, Sableye, Mawile get evolutions.

Nah, Magma Storm Flareon is where it's at, yo. And when Dusclops has a Choice Band he's stronger than Dusknoir too! DUSCLOPS FOR UBER.

Do you use Honchkrow? Maybe if you did, his ranking would go up. Ability changes and new evolutions won't debut mid-gen anyway.

 

[Jimera0]

New Pokemon in the new games? It's all but a guarantee. They just won't be new to US because we've been playing with and discussing them ever since BW came out.

Keldeo, Meloetta, some sort of extra forme for Kyurem, maybe even Genesect at some point. We all knew they were going to come out and assumed they'd be event Pokemon. But you know what? A sequel means that none of them have to be event Pokemon; they can simply be put in the new games as standard legendaries.

As for completely new Pokemon we've never seen before, that's pretty much impossible from a practical standpoint as has already been explained. Backwards compatibility would be totally screwed between generations, and it'd require them to code a whole load of new stuff. No, that's not going to happen.

As for R/S, I think it pretty much impossible that these new versions will be remakes of them, for business reasons (they'll make way more money selling stand-alone remakes of them). However, I don't think so farfetched that there will be some sort of Hoenn connection in these games, much like there was a G/S connection in FR/LG with the Sevii Islands. I think something along those lines is much more likely than the ability to explore the whole region G/S/C style, as the ability to do so would detract from the appeal of the (likely) upcoming remakes.

I do think there is SOME sort of connection to Ruby and Sapphire though; as people have pointed out, the title images for each of the games hints too strongly at them for there not to be. Even the lines inside the 2s match up! That's stretching coincidence pretty far.

 

[KurashiDragon]

This is me being hopeful for the eventual 3rd gen remakes. I hope they put in the moves your pokes can learn in Colosseum/XD. Heal Bell MultiScale D-nite anyone :D

 

[Prophet]

Even the lines inside the 2s match up! That's stretching coincidence pretty far.

Nope.

This Hoenn speculation is becoming annoying, by the way. There's really nothing to indicate any presence of Hoenn in these games that can't be debunked.

 

[R_N]

Nope.

This Hoenn speculation is becoming annoying, by the way. There's really nothing to indicate any presence of Hoenn in these games that can't be debunked.

What are you talking about, this CLEARLY means that Reshiram & Zekrom are Groudon & Kyogre in disguise

 

[b2j135]

Nope.

This Hoenn speculation is becoming annoying, by the way. There's really nothing to indicate any presence of Hoenn in these games that can't be debunked.

Wow nice find dude! GAWD I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL JUNE!

 

[DetroitLolcat]

Nope.

This Hoenn speculation is becoming annoying, by the way. There's really nothing to indicate any presence of Hoenn in these games that can't be debunked.

Explain why Game Freak makes Dive an HM move in the generation where they cut down on HM moves and then don't use Dive at all in Black/White. Hoenn is the only region that uses Dive. It's a strong sign to say the least.

 

[CZ.]

Some good stab moves would be nice, thunder'bolt', fire blast etc with good typing and a good ability. I also hope the stats are not uber stats. I would love to see ice/elec with a good movepool in ou

 

[R_N]

Explain why Game Freak makes Dive an HM move in the generation where they cut down on HM moves and then don't use Dive at all in Black/White. Hoenn is the only region that uses Dive. It's a strong sign to say the least.

The Abyssal Ruins are right there man

besides that can be flipped around to saying there could be separate rs remakes, too.

 

[Prophet]

Explain why Game Freak makes Dive an HM move in the generation where they cut down on HM moves and then don't use Dive at all in Black/White. Hoenn is the only region that uses Dive. It's a strong sign to say the least.

Because the return of a HM must obviously imply the return of a region/remake.

If Defog/Whirlpool were to return then that would also mean we're getting Sinnoh and Johto as well.

Honestly, Dive probably has as big of a role as it did in GSCHGSS.

 

[DittoCrow]

Nope.

This Hoenn speculation is becoming annoying, by the way. There's really nothing to indicate any presence of Hoenn in these games that can't be debunked.

Knew I've seen those patterns somewhere. Don't think it was the tails though... Can anyone find the pattern somewhere else?

 

[Jimera0]

Because the return of a HM must obviously imply the return of a region/remake.

If Defog/Whirlpool were to return then that would also mean we're getting Sinnoh and Johto as well.

Honestly, Dive probably has as big of a role as it did in GSCHGSS.

No need to get condescending.

Anyway, the presence of Dive in B/W and the fact it was only used for one completely optional side area of minor importance is rather odd. However I do believe that R_N is right, and that this isn't necessarily a sign of Hoenn appear in this game, but the appearance of Hoenn some time in Generation V in general, which we all expected in Hoenn remakes anyway. After seeing that comparison picture of yours it does seem to show that the crystal and numbers might actually have notta to do with Ruby and Sapphire. At least, that if it is a reference to them then this was planned from before. However it seems more likely this is simply the old red and blue motif that's been present in Pokemon games. Maybe Hoenn won't be making an appearance after all.

However, an area where Hoenn based Pokemon will appear along the lines of the Sevii Islands is still not out of the question at all. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

 

[Prophet]

However, an area where Hoenn based Pokemon will appear along the lines of the Sevii Islands is still not out of the question at all. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

That's a very likely scenario, come to think of it.

 

[tehy]

Listen, there's an obvious proof for hoenn's existence, one that everyone is ignoring.
DRUM ROLL PLEASE...
Because it saves this game. Think about it-it's a new pokemon game with no new pokemon, story, or even all that many new places. That being said, the only thing that would save this game would be to bring in Hoenn all shiny and new, a la silver and gold. That would give this game some kind of an actual point, that wasn't a straight-up money-grab.

 

[R_N]

Listen, there's an obvious proof for hoenn's existence, one that everyone is ignoring.
DRUM ROLL PLEASE...
Because it saves this game. Think about it-it's a new pokemon game with no new pokemon, story, or even all that many new places. That being said, the only thing that would save this game would be to bring in Hoenn all shiny and new, a la silver and gold. That would give this game some kind of an actual point, that wasn't a straight-up money-grab.

What, exactly, makes you think there won't be any new story?

Besides, the usual third games did just fine, ja?

 

[EndQuote]

The real question is, why do we even need a Ruby/Sapphire remake?
Personally, I really think that Emerald still plays fine.
I understand remaking the first generation (it was buggy as the Castelia City Gym) and the second (graphics came a looooong way), but remaking Ruby and Sapphire makes as much sense as remaking FireRed and LeafGreen. (Remakeception)

 

[MLaRF]

What, exactly, makes you think there won't be any new story?

Besides, the usual third games did just fine, ja?

This

and also the fact that we do have new pokemon: Meloetta, Keldeo, and the 2 new forms of Kyurem.

Also, how would bringing back Hoenn not be a penny-pincher, other than the obvious idea of they can just bring it back in the 5th and 6th games this gen?

 

[R_N]

The real question is, why do we even need a Ruby/Sapphire remake?
Personally, I really think that Emerald still plays fine.
I understand remaking the first generation (it was buggy as the Castelia City Gym) and the second (graphics came a looooong way), but remaking Ruby and Sapphire makes as much sense as remaking FireRed and LeafGreen. (Remakeception)

New strides in pokemon, graphics, and mechanic fine-tuning
also $$$$$$$, nostalgia, and the fact that the gameboy advance is dead and was slowly phased out of the DS line

 

[tehy]

What, exactly, makes you think there won't be any new story?

Besides, the usual third games did just fine, ja?

Firstly:Because then why have a white and black 2? Obviously it's a continued storyu, but that still means a lot of the exact same main characters. Boring.

And the usual third games were a different thing than these, they were add-ons, not new games themselves. This also meant that they were cheap to make, so if few people buy them, no huge loss. i guess black/white 2 have Some of that, but it should be somewhat more expensive to make them.

And as for this
This

and also the fact that we do have new pokemon: Meloetta, Keldeo, and the 2 new forms of Kyurem.

Also, how would bringing back Hoenn not be a penny-pincher, other than the obvious idea of they can just bring it back in the 5th and 6th games this gen?
Those are all legendaries, and probably only one will even be gotten in the story. Not much difference. And bringing back hoenn wouldn't be a penny pincher because it'd be huge amounts of after-the-game content.

 

[czechm8]

I for one hope they wait to the ruby saphirre sequel so that they can do it true justice. Originally I thought that Nintendo would do the remakes for the 3DS but given the less than ideal sales they may be waiting for more people to have them before releasing pokemon games exclusively for the 3DS.