NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win

Inspector should come out if they think they should come out. Waiting on him as a substitute for scumhunting on your own is stupid, more stupid than an inspector not coming out when they need to.

Brammi/AE remains suspicious. The post above me does nothing but promote scumhunting without scumhunting, while looking for an excuse out of the j-squared lynch even when it wasn't needed.

@@Vote Ace Emerald@@
 
Ace Emerald really needs to talk here. I think it's pretty clear at the moment that AE is our prime suspect and we need to put him on a deadline to talk. Inactivity is a lot worse when you're suspected of being scum, so if Emerald doesn't actually contribute soon enough I think we have our man.

I'm going to vote for him until now, but please understand that this vote is only so he'll explain himself further as to why he's town. lynch ace emerald
 
Hi DetroitLolCat, just because one seems to be town's prime target in your eyes doesn't mean you get to jump on their wagons. Why is Ace Emerald scum in your eyes? "Because town thinks so" isn't a legit answer.
 
@ lolcat #1027
I'm not trying to be inactive, I honestly have nothing to say. I'm sorry, but I really can't put out a multi paragraph post on who I think is scum because I wasn't following back when people did scummy things. From what I've read of the game and my experience yesterday, engineer looks the most like scum do to his shaky arguments, but even then thats not a ton of evidence. Certainly not enough for me to write a huge post and convict him. As for why I'm town, I realize Brammi said some scummy things, but he was just a overactive player. I can't really explain any specific post further than that because I'm not him, but from what I've seen that sums it up.
@ b_t #1026
Part of what I said up to lolcat applies here, but if I could scum hunt I would. I'd like to iterate that this is my first NOC, and I have no experience scum hunting, to add to my confusion of subbing. I wasn't looking for an excuse for j^2, I was just putting down my thoughts on our situation. I apologize if thats against standards, etiquette, etc.

To anyone, if you could ask me specific questions or state specifically why I seem scummy, it would help me a lot in answering them and clearing up my name.
 
Brammi is/was scummy because his little actual interactions in this game - reek. Everything else that he did is words that get town nowhere, which adds to this.

You shouldn't be discouraged from contributing, and honestly, I'm not as insanely sold on this lynch as one could get, but this game is so quiet it's hard to get a definitive read on someone.

Who do you think is scummy? Who gives you bad vibes?
 
Well looking back, Crux seems like the most scummy to me. According to jumpluffs post #937, all he's done is troll. He said he was gonna post big, but then never really did it. Then, he posts persuaded only a little bit before deadline, which seems fishy to me. So I guess I tentative @@lynch crux@@.
 
Ace, by claiming that Crux is fishy due to persuasion and flavor of persuasion, you are effectively saying that Leethoof's persuasion was a farce (which can't be the case since he's flipped village). However, note that nobody except Leethoof and Crux have been persuaded thus far and both of them agree on the flavor of the persuasion. (unless I missed someone being persuaded, and if so, please point that out to me, thanks.

Edit: Also, Ace, I would like to hear your thoughts if possible, on Leethoof, since you think that voting crux at this point is going to solve the issue of him being persuaded (who, by the way, posted not right before deadline but actually quite a while before that).

If anyone else can offer their thoughts on Leethoof vs. Crux's persuasion at this point, that would be great.

Crux, please explain why the heck you didn't fulfill your promise in making that "big post".
 
Acklow said:
Ace, by claiming that Crux is fishy due to persuasion and flavor of persuasion, you are effectively saying that Leethoof is also fishy. However, note that nobody except Leethoof and Crux have been persuaded thus far and both of them agree on the flavor of the persuasion. (unless I missed someone being persuaded, and if so, please point that out to me, thanks)

That being said, if Crux and Leethoof are indeed trolling about persuasion, that would mean both are scum and that there is no actual persuasion in the game, due to the fact that there has been a lack of other people being persuaded. However, the converse is also true: if they are not trolling and are indeed persuaded, then there is a chance both are in fact village.

BUT

There is also a third possibility: Crux OR Leethoof being mafia with only one of them being village and telling the truth.

I don't want to say what option I think it is just yet because I want to hear more out of Leethoof and Crux, if they can please do so, thank you.
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what is this i don't even
 
It's called establishing myself in conversation because it is my obligation as village (and as a sub) to do. I promised earlier I would post, and I did so.
 
billymills said:
Well you're asking a dead guy to talk about a troll
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Rude billy, it's hard to keep track of people in this game!!!!!!! :/

To be honest I now doubt there is an inspector. I kinda lost my enthusiasm because of the j^2 lynch, but I see I can't just wait and hope someone else starts conversation...

Blue_Tornado said:
Brammi/AE remains suspicious. The post above me does nothing but promote scumhunting without scumhunting, while looking for an excuse out of the j-squared lynch even when it wasn't needed.
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I'd be less surprised about this explanation if it were Brammi doing it.

To be honest I am not 100% sure why everyone is so quick to push Ace Emerald. Just desperate for conversation or what? To me Brammi is just plain bizarre, and I've acknowledged he started going down a slippery slope of scumminess, but I must admit I'm not following why he's suddenly our 'prime suspect' after one vote or anything like that. Regardless, it's a conversation worth having.

I'm sorry, but I really can't put out a multi paragraph post on who I think is scum because I wasn't following back when people did scummy things.
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You need to read. Like I said in my post when the subbings happened, you can at least search people's posts and take a look for yourself if you don't want to read every page (which would be 100% understandable). You have no excuse, I'm sorry, I know subbing in at this stage is hard but try harder please.

Also what happened to the Staraptor Call conversation?

Why is nobody wants to talk about past mislynches, by the way?
 
If we don't have an inspector, then I would like to start lynching those that are being intentionally uncooperative.

If we continue to lynch people who can't make coherent posts, then we won't get anywhere. (this list includes staraptor/ullar, Acklow, and Brammi) I'd rather we lynch those that are making an effort to stay in the game but make the least useful posts possible, namely Crux and MK Ultra. Ultra subbed, but his point was obvious when he was here.

For now, @@Lynch Crux@@

Also could the person who used up the spoiled milk last night tell us who they targeted and why.
 
It's interesting that you suddenly want to change tactics, but I guess I can understand. To be honest I don't consider S. Call to be in that list because his posts were perfectly coherent, but if you count Ullar I guess you have to count him. >_>

Did the Mask change hands again?
 
I agree with Jumpluff in that the total halt in SC discussion is somewhat unsettling. In fact, I would almost call it even more evidence in favor of lynching him, as it seems like a deliberate attempt by the scum to distract us from lynching a fairly obvious target due to a simple change in events. While we have two day cycles, I don't want a sudden push on Crux to end the first one before any real discussion on multiple users can occur.

Now for my number one question coming out of the night cycle:

Why Leethoof?

Basically, Ullar confirmed he held a power role, and Leethoof, being inexperienced, was completely not a threat to them. In fact, I can only think of two reasons why they would even bother to randkill him...

1) All better players in the game are scum... I sincerely hope this isn't the case...
2) He was buddying the real Mafia, and the scum were afraid that this might lead to suspicion being cast upon them, especially after his double persuasion. Wouldn't it simply make the users he was buddying look much less suspicous if he, say, flipped village? Given his inexperience and lack of a power role claim, this seems to be the only good reason to kill him at all. The only problem I see with this theory is that due to his role as a twin and inexperience, it is possible that he was buddying at least one villager extremely closely, and if they are accidentally killed, than a two night cycle phase at this point might mark good game.

So, once the sun dies, it might help to look at anyone Leethoof got close to (sun excluded), and hold them in high suspicion.

But for now,

Fixed.

@@Lynch Engineer Pikachu@@
 
Sorry posting from phone.
@ acklow if crux is the persuader or knows him, he would know the flavor and could fake it.
And @ jumpluff I have been doing those things, and since that posts I've tried to draw conclusions with my crux post, but I will try harder, sorry for being slow.
 
Rediamond said:
IWhy Leethoof?

Basically, Ullar confirmed he held a power role, and Leethoof, being inexperienced, was completely not a threat to them. In fact, I can only think of two reasons why they would even bother to randkill him...

1) All better players in the game are scum... I sincerely hope this isn't the case...
2) <snip>
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Because Leethoof was essentially a guaranteed kill, maybe? I don't think there was any reason for BG to protect Leethoof; he wasn't the cleanest, and far from the most helpful.

I eagerly await Crux's "big" post.
 
I feel as if, after the j-squared lynch, the mafia felt as if we would almost assuredly lynch engineer pikachu sometime soon, as he was a major discussion topic, and thus, left him alive so we could waste a lynch on him. To be honest, backup BG staying alive this long makes no sense, unless you consider the WIFOM. I think if Ullar was scum, his teammates would have told him a better fake claim than backup BG. So yeah, just adding my thoughts to this particular issue.
 
DetroitLolcat said:
Ace Emerald really needs to talk here. I think it's pretty clear at the moment that AE is our prime suspect and we need to put him on a deadline to talk. Inactivity is a lot worse when you're suspected of being scum, so if Emerald doesn't actually contribute soon enough I think we have our man.

I'm going to vote for him until now, but please understand that this vote is only so he'll explain himself further as to why he's town. lynch ace emerald
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OK, so this seems to be a pretty blatant bandwagon, which you made no effort to back up, other than "AE is our prime suspect". I personally think that bandwagoning in this manner is extremely scummy and would like you to explain your vote. I also find that your activity is extremely low and you have done very, very little to contribute to discussion. You also seemed to buddy zorbees pretty hard in post #866, despite the fact that there was very little “pressure” on him at all. You subbed in for Lady Salamence, whose posts were incredibly suspicious. I guess no-one ever counter-claimed in response to the announcer claim and it is probably you, but there is nothing stopping this from being a mafia role. I think however, you are a fairly high-risk, low-reward lynch.

On Ace Emerald / Brammi: Brammi was very odd. I admit I have little experience with NOC on other sites, so maybe all the stuff he was doing was just based on the experience he had on PSYCHOLOGICALSCUMHUNTING.net, but all of his actions, especially his random outburst were quite fishy. I mean, some of his ideas were fine, but he was abrasive and had random outbursts when people dared to disagree with him. Ace Emerald on the other hand, has contributed a grand total of nothing to conversation. Even when he is called out for it, his response is essentially, oh please I have no experience please don’t make me actually do anything. His posts have (arguably) less content than mine have, and the player who he subbed in for was very suspicious. On top of all this, when called out for this by other players, he simply jumps on the easiest bandwagon possible, and not providing any sound reasoning at all. The reason I posted that I was persuaded only a bit before deadline is because Spiffy sent me the pm literally just before deadline “oh I forgot to send you this it is kinda important.” Ace Emerald would probably be a good lynch.

Acklow: 1. I never promised a big post, I promised a post, I posted. Admittedly it was rather short on the content side but I was quite busy that week. Anyway, we never heard anything from Empoof and have since heard nothing from you. Please tell me what you think about everyone. Also Mami-San (;_;) is the best, no?

Engineer Pikachu: You have had a hell of a long time to read through the thread now, and still have not made a response. Your defence of yourself was pretty much “I subbed in therefore I’m clean”. Staraptor Call in particular was extremely fishy for reasons I have mentioned in some previous post or another. Please defend yourself you are very fishy, particularly given your inactivity.

Blue_Tornado: You only ever make short and curt responses to people without really adding anything to discussion. You criticized for the use of :words: but that is all that I see from you. I also voiced some other concerns in my other posts.

jumpluff: Hi honey.

SoulTorrent: you have still not posted do you think that no-one has noticed you? Please post.

Also I had a completely random thought while I was walking today. What if the mask makes people flip village when they die, that could explain why it has stopped being passed around (which I think it has, since billy hasn’t commented).

If you have any questions feel free to ask me :)
 
@Crux: Well here's some content:
Post #1003

THE FOLLOWING IS TL;DR, HAVE FUN READING IT SUCKERS

@Ace Emerald: That is true, however one thing still isn't accounted for in that case: why the heck would Crux randomly post a persuasion hours before deadline after making everyone think he would make a content-full post, which as he just mentioned, never was actually his original intent. So motive? I mean, why would you randomly post a lynch on someone who hasn't been thought of as scum and has generally made village-sided posts? It just doesn't add up. Of course we could overthink this as well and say he is in fact mafia just trying to clean himself but that doesn't make sense at this point in my mind.

@Crux: I think everyone was expecting more out of you before deadline. Also, why the heck can't I find that post that you made promising more content? Did you delete that? And since you want me to post more on others I certainly can. Lastly: Mami is my favorite Magic Girl. I thought that was obvious by the avatar I had a few weeks ago.

Also, I think it is worth examining what kind of content j-squared made, especially since he flipped village (most of all the King). I will try, if I can today, to look at the stuff he posted and evaluate that.

My thoughts on:

billymills: This guy's claim seems to have added up thus far, however I'm not certain about his actions. The one that I'm a bit concerned about was him disregarding the need for an extension, which, to be honest would have been absolutely wonderful because I'm sure many of the subs for that day would've appreciated more time to figure out what has been going on. Perfect Example?

Blue_Tornado: Alright, there's one thing that has been itching on my mind atm, and it is this post and this post. Could you, at all at this point, reiterate? Please explain what this flavor was and why it implied that j-squared was king and most likely town. I have a good feeling j-squared was on the right track with some of his suspicions. I will look into that and include that in my evaluation later today.

loudkirbyking: I have not seen you post at all today, yet you have posted in the AW Mafia thread. Please, do us all a favor and post more. I would like to hear your thoughts on Leethoof vs. Crux and on the j-squared mislynch. You aren't necessarily scum in my mind, at least based off of your recent post asking for extension. I feel that anyone that thought otherwise about an extension should be looked into because implying that an extension wasn't necessary is very scummy especially since there were like, what, 3 or 4 subs last cycle?

askaninjask: Quit sitting under the radar. You still haven't responded to my post when I quoted Yeti, I want to know what you think about what Yeti was implying and tell me what you think should change in my opinion of you. You are active all the time on IRC for your mafia game, the least you could do is look into this game a bit more and help us out. Also, tell us your thoughts about Leethoof vs. Crux. If you do not post, I will follow Yeti in suit and lynch you because I have a gut feeling she was possibly right.

Soul Torrent: Lacking content much? I think you should post more, I want to get a read on you fella, and all I'm getting at this point is lack of activity and a disinterested attitude. You've only posted once in this thread. Doing that is not going to help you, just saying.

Dummy007: Your last post was more than a week ago. I don't know if you are still actively involved in this game but I would greatly appreciate it (and I'm sure everyone else would as well), if you would please add your thoughts to the conversation. Particularly Leethoof vs. Crux, j-squared's mislynch, and Yeti's mislynch.

Paperblade: I am surprised that you are active enough in other games, but take almost no particular interest in this one? Please give your thoughts.



tl;dr: So for anyone reading this post, this was a combination of a prod/my thoughts post. I plan on looking into j-squared and Yeti a bit more as well as this Leethoof-Crux persuasion bit sometime today. I will try to get my thoughts in about that whenever I can tonight (and if not, then hopefully tomorrow).


Okay fuck it:
@@Lynch Engineer Pikachu@@ As much as that is contradicting my thoughts on giving more time, I seriously am ticked by your actions EP. Seriously. You still haven't provided a viable defense for yourself ever since I last posted my thoughts on you. I don't like that one bit and that makes you ever more scummier in my eyes.
 
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