RMC - Rate My Complaint

Pokézoni

Does anyone else think the RMT threads are becoming extremely boring? Not the teams, but the advice given.

"Get rid of [insert non standard special wall] and put in Cresselia/Blissey"

"Remove [insert ANY pokemon] to complete the Gyarados/Electivire combo"

"Change [insert any non-SpecsMence] to SpecsMence"

Anyone else feel the same way?
 
Seconded. I think it's partly because the standard tier restricts variety, but it's also because people like to be experts and they post on what they know. So, more people post on boring threads beacuse they don't know what to do with more interesing teams. This in turn discourages people from posting interesting teams.
 
Thirded! (I dont even know if thats a word! but who cares!)... People that are actually rating teams or take the time to post, should be rating the team thats actually posted. What ends up happening is they end up comparing it pokemon by pokemon to something that "should be" there or would "be better". And quite frankly that doesnt help in the process of building a team at all. It just angers people that want help and end up getting, "change your entire team for the sake of standardizing it."

I donno...

Great example being I have Feraligatr and Electivire on my team... Someone posts with "Change Feraligatr to Gyarados because it can dragon dance better!" Instead of posting with a more useful comment like "Well I dont think the EVs on feraligatr really maximize its potential."
 
That's kind of why we put it into another forum, to avoid it polluting the main forum like what happened in Ever Grande City. RMTs are (almost) always bland.
 
Pokézoni said:
Does anyone else think the RMT threads are becoming extremely boring? Not the teams, but the advice given.

"Get rid of [insert non standard special wall] and put in Cresselia/Blissey"

"Remove [insert ANY pokemon] to complete the Gyarados/Electivire combo"

"Change [insert any non-SpecsMence] to SpecsMence"

Anyone else feel the same way?
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You might want to think about switching out some of your quotes for some argument. If you dont have a counter for critical arguments, they can rip through your complaint. Also, you have a vocabulary weak.
 
pooch said:
You might want to think about switching out some of your quotes for some argument. If you dont have a counter for critical arguments, they can rip through your complaint. Also, you have a vocabulary weak.
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I was going to say my vocabulary weak was covered by my refusal to use acronyms in the metagame... but then I realized I just lol'd.
 
The reason why some teams look similar is because people actually want to win. As such, they use Pokemon and strategies they've seen elsewhere. You can piss and moan about it all you like, it won't change. Some people just like using the "best" Pokemon, and telling them to do otherwise will not change their minds. This, by the way is coming from someone who spent around 30 - 40% of the previous generation using UU teams.

For many people, this is going to be the first time they've played competitively. Since they're new, their prediction, team building skills and general knowledge of the game isn't going to be at a particularly high level, at least not initially. Using the more powerful Pokemon makes it easier to improve, as it can get disheartening to lose time and time again. Using the higher level Pokemon can sometimes give even the most inexperienced player a chance to win, or at least take out one or two of his/her opponents team. Often, this is enough to keep them coming back.

I agree that the advice given in a lot of the RMT threads is both lazy ("use <insert Pokemon name>" with no explanation given) and quite often, completely wrong. You think it bothers you? I'm supposed to be trying to assist these people, which isn't exactly helped by the simplistic and misguided nonsense that clogs up the majority of threads on the RMT forum.

Yes, you are all unique little snowflakes because you don't use Cresselia. Maybe if your own sense of individuality is based on which Pokemon you put on your team, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than being 6-0ed by Gyarados.
 
Phuquoph said:
Yes, you are all unique little snowflakes because you don't use Cresselia. Maybe if your own sense of individuality is based on which Pokemon you put on your team, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than being 6-0ed by Gyarados.
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Jeez.

Anyways, all it will really take for teams to start showing some more variety is for people to actually start playing against one another on a frequent basis. The blandness of most RMTs is just what happens when everybody sits around and discusses the metagame for months without actually playing it.
 
Yeah, it's annoying. Kind of like how my team with Roserade, Magnezone, and a Mean Look Dusknoir got no replies. Everyone seems to think that standard is better.
 
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Seconded. I think it's partly because the standard tier restricts variety, but it's also because people like to be experts and they post on what they know. So, more people post on boring threads beacuse they don't know what to do with more interesing teams. This in turn discourages people from posting interesting teams.
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This is so true... Every time there is a very standard team, there are always tons of responses because even new people know what they are dealing with, but when it comes to pokemon people haven't seen much of, they don't want to risk looking stupid and giving bad advice so they don't even bother
 
Much as I love being a beautiful little snowflake that will melt upon contact with the heated reality that is the world of competitive battling, I am forced to agree wholeheartedly with Phuquoph about the nature (although not necessarily the vehicle) of advice given in the RMT topics. The fact is that most RMTs are posted with the intent of getting advice for a team to use in the soon-to-be standard metagame that the player in question wants to win in. And, given that standards are standard for a reason...

Personally, I think the very best advice should be given for a RMT. *shrugs* Of course, I also think that, in a given RMT, the original poster should be able to specify things he'd like to not have change (like the aforementioned Feraligatr) and have the raters act within the confines of the topic, and not the metagame.
 
Very rarely do I give advice on RMT's. But when I do, I try to give it on how to improve the pokemon that the poster has listed. I'm pretty sure that the poster is aware that there might be pokemon that do the same job better (like Swampert over Quagsire), but I try to understand things from their perspective. Sometimes it's not just about winning. It's also about having style and your own sense of individuality, and trying to bring out the best in a certain pokemon. In a way, it's a test of a persons skills as to how well they can adapt. Winning a match is only half of the satisfaction. The other half comes from knowing that your own individuality and creativity helped along the way. If I just wanted to win, I could easily throw a Salamence, Metagross, Swampert, Gengar, Weavile, and Blissey on my team. Give them items and movesets depending on the theme of the team, and I'm good to go. In less then a minute, I've created a powerful team with a nice balance of offense, defense, and resistances.

But where would the fun be? Where would the style be? Now if I came up with this team with creativity, then there would be no problem. But I've come up with this team for winning purposes. I don't just want to win, I also want to have fun while doing it, otherwise what was the point in doing it at all?

Now don't get me wrong. I agree with Phuquoph. The majority of the time, people post RMT's to know how good of a chance they have of winning with "said team" depending on what said "tier" the team is most likely to face, cause we all want to win, right? But people want to win without feeling like that have to use "said pokemon" in order to do it. People want to feel like they can win with just about anything...

Now in the past generations, things were pretty much set in stone for the most part. Raticate couldn't beat Mewtwo no matter how much it tried. But now with some new items and moves, Raticate could use Focus Sash to survive the Psychic, Endeavor, and then finish with Quick Attack.

My point is that a lot of pokemon have been given new potential and power that they didn't have previously, and some of it hasn't been reached to the fullest extent. So for some raters (not you Phuquoph), since they don't know the full potential of a certain pokemon, their best advice is to substitute something else.

For example, if I made a RMT with Raichu on the team, I already know that at least 25% of the raters would say to switch Raichu with Electivire or Jolteon, cause they "hit harder" or "have more speed". But what these posters don't know is that while Raichu may not hit as hard or move as fast, it has other options. It can kill Swampert, Gyarados, Rhyperior, and Salamence all in the same moveset. And the sets that I listed in Raichu's thread effectively take care of Focus Sash users. Oh yeah, Raichu can also double his special attack, can Electivire or Jolteon do that?

IMO, RMT's should first look at unlocking the full potential of a pokemon. If a change in moveset does that, then go with that option. If the pokemon just doesn't work with the theme of the team, then, and only then, should a suggestion for substition be made. And raters should only suggest substituting a pokemon if they know the full potential of said pokemon first.
 
*Sniff* Phuquoph, why must you always make me...cry? ;-)

Seriously, though, when you're not launching ad hominem attacks, you make good points. I'd rather that new people use boring Pokémon and stay with battling rather than use interesting Pokémon poorly and get discouraged.

Just the same, I feel our complaint is a legitimate one. Even if nothing can/should be done, it's sometimes nice to chat about something that bothers you with others who feel the same.

Anyway, I want to be the first to apologize for the clogging of the RMT threads with misinformation. I honestly sympathize, because I can tell you that I would not want to be responsible for rating most of those teams. Right now I only rate the ones that either look interesting or abide by the ruleset that I use, so I respect your commitment.

Also, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but you're right about my individuality. From now on I'm going to wear a silly hat so that I can differentiate myself in some way other than my lack of Cresselia. *<:-D
 
Why do you think I'm attacking you - or anyone else for that matter? My complaint is with the general attitude of "standard, boring, blah blah", not the people who express it. If you really do think I'm having a go at you, I'll send you a nice Mightyena hat, surely that'll make up for it.

There is another factor to remember when looking at the teams posted at the moment - WiFi. It takes a long time to make a team, with all the breeding, trading and training required. I imagine most people don't want to risk spending hours doing that, only to realize their underpowered Pokemon just aren't quite good enough to compete against Tyranitar, Heracross and the other assorted beasts. This will likely change when Competitor is released, where it may only takes a few minutes to construct your team.
 
Phuquoph, I know that you aren't attacking anyone. You are just offering your opinion. But you do bring up another good point. You've got Wifi teams, and you've got competitor teams (when competitor is finally done). In Competitor, iv's will be no issue, so everything that needs a max 70 hidden power has access to it. While we may have made a lot of progress in Wifi teams (breeding for ivs and hidden power), our wifi teams are pretty damn strong. However, there are still some things that we can't do in Wi-fi that can be done in Competitor. Maybe there should be two RMT boards for D/P. One for Wifi, and one for competitor, since you bring up a good point. Some people like the thrill of building a team from scratch, and breeding, to find out how good they (and their pokemon are). Some people just want to spend a couple of minutes (as opposed to a few days). Hidden power is becoming more and more common on wifi, but it still takes time and effort that not everyone wants to put in, so there should be a decent wifi alternative. On competitor, you have it, so go wild.
 
There is no point in two RMT boards. People on wifi have 31s and 30s in the stats that both matter and don't on most pokemon at this point, spread out among many people (just look at the trading board). There are also Hidden Powers 68-70 all over the place. A team on wifi should work on Competitor and vice versa.

There's a lot of crappy advice, but there's some good advice too. Phuquoph gives solid advice always. I've seen good advice coming from sources like Yoshididdy lately. If more people would follow their example, the RMT board would be solid.
 
I'm having this same problem! I posted a team that is completely void of BlissKarm, Cresselia, Specsmence, T-Tar, Gyarados, Garchomp, and loads of other Pokemon that we're seeing way too much of....I've barely gotten 1 comment on the team, despite having 100+ views.

I really don't think my team is *that* unusual....yet no one gives me any suggestions. Yet, I look around at the cookie-cutter teams and they're absolutely loaded with good, helpful advice...what gives?
 
I'm not trying to say that standard is boring... but to remember that Pokemon is still a GAME, regardless of how serious you take it as a competition.

It's why sports have All-Star games/weekends only once a year, and the rest of the time, we watch less-than-perfect teams have a go at it.

Sure, when competitor is out, you can clause out anything you don't want to deal with and find a handful of the best pogeys and play "All-Star Challenge" forever with a few keystrokes...

...but with a much larger population on a more time consuming Wi-Fi, far less restrictions, and the potential that PBR brings... I'd much rather see ratings of teams and their strategies with comments on other strategies or pokemon that make up their weaknesses rather than being dismissed as unusable.

... perhaps it's more of a problem when people post a team for WiFi, and generally get competitor responses... as much as I'd like "HP Ice 70" on Yanmega, I like breeding my own team, not clones of others, and I just don't have the time to... and no, I'm not going to just easily be replacing it with perfect IV'd Timid Azelf.
 
people seem to forget, while it largely is about team building, it is also about battling, you can speculate every scenario, run it through the damage calculator, but its still a person who calls what move or what pokemon to switch to and that is never set in stone, people act like they are going to be given incredible insight on a team they just wrote down from people who obviously haven't played their team. As long as you look and make sure you dont have glaring problems like no way to kill a gyarados or no physical sweepers your team will work fine. It's relatively easy to create a team with a variety of options for killing the opponent and the only way you will know how to improve it is after you have battle experience. Once you are past the basics getting your team rated is hardly worthwile in my opinion, unless you are just doing it for fun because everything, or at least most of, the responses you will have already thought of.
 
DDX said:
I'm having this same problem! I posted a team that is completely void of BlissKarm, Cresselia, Specsmence, T-Tar, Gyarados, Garchomp, and loads of other Pokemon that we're seeing way too much of....I've barely gotten 1 comment on the team, despite having 100+ views.

I really don't think my team is *that* unusual....yet no one gives me any suggestions. Yet, I look around at the cookie-cutter teams and they're absolutely loaded with good, helpful advice...what gives?
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This is just a theory on my part, and if anyone feels that it is wrong, remember that it is just a theory of my own opinion....

Part of the reason goes with the fact that for pokemon that people are not familar with, they don't know what to suggest without going the route of a "standard". When certain pokemon are not seen that often, it's a lot difficult to gauge what that pokemon is truly capable of. Salamence was whored since it's debut last generation (with good reason), and because of that, people are more familar with it in and out. But for something that isn't seen that much, some people have to go back and think "What can this thing do again?". For things that you've seen several times, it's easy to offer an opinion on it, since there are usually a couple of good standards already put into place (Infernape).
 
What do you recommend that we suggest, then? We don't even have a metagame yet, and we are just trying to suggest theories that have good reasoning and some WiFi testing; more "novel" sets will doubtlessly arise as we begin to explore D/P after we get Competitor.

The replies that state that there is a lack of variety have an extremely flawed reasoning. The standard metagame is quite diverse by its own right; there are Pokemon of every function in it, including physical and special attackers, physical and special walls, and overall team supporters. Other than the possibility of Tyranitar, everything that is projected to be standard is perfectly counterable within standards.

Complaints such as this are simply poorly masked excuses for banning Pokemon that the posters dislike in order to let their favorite Pokemon be used in standard. I assure you, while senseless complaints such as this will increase the variety in the eyes of the person who issued said complaint, the overall variety in the metagame will not change. What people such as the poster of this topic may regard as "boring" is actually a highly complex and intricate affair.

Most of all, the sample pieces of advice that were given as examples of boring and repetitive statements are given repeatedly for one reason, a reason that overshadows any argument for diversity and anyone could devise: they work. Nobody wants to be given bad advice that doesn't work, no matter how interesting the advice may seem, and nobody wants to suffer the grief that is a potential repercussion of giving bad but interesting advice.
 
I want a Mightyena hat :P Though I do think that revisiting forgotten Pokémon could be kinda cool, like sarunibi said, you could look at a Pokémon that isn't used very much, and perhaps see it has a viable strategy, or something neat to offer. You might even be able to use it on a future team of your own.
 
loving the amount of agreed responses to this post, and could not agree more with what has been said. just try to come up with new Pokemon to use and new movesets and EV spreads and stuff, be innovative and eventually it will be noticed.
 
This happens a lot when I play with my friends that they complain that I just use standards like Rhyperior and Cressilia and Gliscor but that's only because I like them. I hardly ever use things like Suicune and Salamence because I don't like them. Like others have said you have to find something that seperates your favorites from standards. When I battle some people they say what the hell can Typhlosion do that infernape can't andI say that he has the fastest Erution in the game and then thats one thing infernape can't do that Typhlosion can

People pretty much use Dragonite out of favoritism but now it has DD outrage which is what seperates him from Salamence and Garchomp.
 
Most teams don't get much of a response, mine didn't.
Until I got told basically it'll lose to any standard teams. >_o

Perhaps people should put more thought into their teams though? Because admittedly, what else are you supposed to say to someone who's attempted to create a team full of standards?
If one standard seems out of place and another standard seems a better option, all you can really say is "replace bla with Blissey" basically.
Since they pretty much plan on only using the usual standard OU pokemon, the topic creators would undoubtedly shrug off any advice you give in regards to using a pokemon who is not on each and every other team.

If they've created a standard OU team, all we can really do is recommend another standard in place of one of their standards to help team coverage basically, since all their movesets are the same as everyone elses...
 
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