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Koum Kapi, a place of mysteries (peaked 5th, at 1551 points)

Hey there, I just received your message and I apologize for making you wait. College was sucking up my time and I have been inactive for some days. Neverless, I do see a very balanced team and it is hard to change something considering how every member of your team do their roles effectively. My only suggestion is to replace Protect on Tentacruel for Substitute. With Substitute, prediction will become much more easier for Tentacruel and will allow him to scout its common switch-ins. The advantage this move can offer, is the ability of being able to Toxic-stall oponents like Blissey, Landorus or Gastrodon, while being able to annoy a burned Ferrothorn with repeated Substitutes. Once the oponent´s pokemon is weakened, Dugtrio can come in, trap and finish off a weakened non-flying pokemon.

I would like to suggest on Scizor an EV spread of 248 HP / 96 Atk / 164 SDef and the use of an Iron Plate. With the given EVs, Scizor´s Bullet Punch will always 2HKO Dragonite and Haxorus after SR while retaining the necesary bulk to avoid the 2HKO from Latios´s Spec Draco Meteor. You must not use Speed EVs because it is important for this team to regain momentum in order to bring Dugtrio safely. If your Scizor U-turns first, you are forced to send Skarmory to take the foe Scizor´s U-turn and this could mean trouble against a Drag-Mag; whereas if you are able to U-turn last, Dugtrio can come in safely and destroy the foe´s Magnezone.
 
Very small suggestion, Black Sludge> Leftovers on tentacruel as then trick pokemon will think twice before giving it a scarf or band.
 
Motagua said:
Hey there, I just received your message and I apologize for making you wait. College was sucking up my time and I have been inactive for some days. Neverless, I do see a very balanced team and it is hard to change something considering how every member of your team do their roles effectively. My only suggestion is to replace Protect on Tentacruel for Substitute. With Substitute, prediction will become much more easier for Tentacruel and will allow him to scout its common switch-ins. The advantage this move can offer, is the ability of being able to Toxic-stall oponents like Blissey, Landorus or Gastrodon, while being able to annoy a burned Ferrothorn with repeated Substitutes. Once the oponent´s pokemon is weakened, Dugtrio can come in, trap and finish off a weakened non-flying pokemon.

I would like to suggest on Scizor an EV spread of 248 HP / 96 Atk / 164 SDef and the use of an Iron Plate. With the given EVs, Scizor´s Bullet Punch will always 2HKO Dragonite and Haxorus after SR while retaining the necesary bulk to avoid the 2HKO from Latios´s Spec Draco Meteor. You must not use Speed EVs because it is important for this team to regain momentum in order to bring Dugtrio safely. If your Scizor U-turns first, you are forced to send Skarmory to take the foe Scizor´s U-turn and this could mean trouble against a Drag-Mag; whereas if you are able to U-turn last, Dugtrio can come in safely and destroy the foe´s Magnezone.
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I have already tried Sub on Tenta, and i didn't like it, because opposing Ttars really like switching in against Tenta, and this means that i just wasted 25% of my life. Although i will admit that Sub is wonderful for dealing with Ferrothorn and Jellicent, which is an annoying mon (Ferro) for my team, and something that breaks defensive combos such as Ferrocent is always nice, Protect is very useful for almost everything, and makes sure that Tenta can stay alive for a long time.

I will try out your Iron Plate suggestion, since Scizor would appreciate the bit of extra power that he lacks, while also being able to bluff a CB set more easily. But i want to keep the Spe evs since the only thing i am outspeeding with them is CB Scizor, which i want to, because this means that he can't revenge kill me with Superpower, which does around 70%. With the Spe evs i can Roost first, and eventually beat him, since the second Superpower does less than 50%, which is the amount that Roost heals. Also i never bring in Skarmory to take Scizor's attacks, as i have Tenta.

Thx for the rate!
 
congratulations for your achievement, alexwolf! Shaymin is really a beast, I remember in dp after salamence ban how good it was, and yeah, cbdugtrio is so good at killing tyranitar
 
Since you already have a spinner and are covering Politoeds weaknesses perfectly, there is no need to trap opposing weather starters and with the given spread you will usually get up the weather second (if your opponent switches out another starter) You need a real rain Abuser. I'd opt for standard Specs Tornadus. It basically 2HKO's the whole metagame and after rocks Scizor, Latios are both OHKO'D. With the offensive pressure of Scizor and the Rocks from Skarmory, Tornadus will just wreck face and allow for easy wins.
 
Hey
Nice team the only suggestion I really have at this point is that if you want to keep speed EVs on Scizor you might want to give it 44 speed EVs to enable Scizor to outspeed bulky Politoed and hit back hard with a powerful Bug Bite. This can help late game sweeps against apposing rain teams.
GL and I hope my suggestions helped.
 
DaRkRaii said:
Since you already have a spinner and are covering Politoeds weaknesses perfectly, there is no need to trap opposing weather starters and with the given spread you will usually get up the weather second (if your opponent switches out another starter) You need a real rain Abuser. I'd opt for standard Specs Tornadus. It basically 2HKO's the whole metagame and after rocks Scizor, Latios are both OHKO'D. With the offensive pressure of Scizor and the Rocks from Skarmory, Tornadus will just wreck face and allow for easy wins.
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While this sounds good, without Dugtrio i am open to a whole lot of threats such as SubCMJirachi, Magnezone, Starmie and Haxorus in DragMag teams. Anyway you may have a point so i will consider putting something else over Dugtrio, if i manage to find something that covers all the threats i want to...

@Great Mighty Doom

I could try your suggestion, since outspeeding bulky Politoed could be very useful, though i don't have Bug Bite ):


Thx for the nice words everybody, and let's see some more creative comments :D
 
Woops i meant U-Turn lol. Being able to ouspeed and U-Turn out will help alot with wearing Poli down and will allow a free switch to Shaymin :]
 
Very intresting team but I just want to point this out. DO NOT NEVER USE Hidden Power Fire in Rain. I would say that use Earthpower or HP Ice over it. :P

good luck with your team!
 
Indeed a very interesting team. I have a couple of tips you should consider (although 3 of the 4 have allready been said). I've been testing this deck out for some time allready now, so I indeed see all your afformentioned weaks and strenghts, and they are indeed true. The Team is awesome for what it is.

These are my tips: drop Scizor and use Jirachi instead. Not only do you get a better special sponge. You also lose your weak for gyarados and specs tornadus, while also having WISH for your team. I know that Scizor Countered some pokes for ya, but Jirachi does most of them as well, while also doing that wish-shenanigans.
U-Turn can still be played over Protect. Don't worry about those heavy Electric and Water hits. Whit the resistance and his great Special Bulk, it still goes pretty good.
just try it out.

With this huge special wall, change Skarmory back to the Physical Bulky set. The way your team is now, it gets swept by SD Toxicroak quite easily. +2 Cross Chop ohko's Skarmory after SR damge. +2 Ice Punch OHKO's Shaymin. +2 Sucker Punch OHKO's Dugtrio. Politoed and Tentacruel can't do 'Jack Shit' to Toxicroak. AND lastly Scizor gets OHKO'd by Cross Chop at +2, while your Bullet Punch can't do a thing.
With the Physical Bulk for Skarmory, Toxicroak can't 2Hko ya anymore, so Brave Bird will take it out.

The Dugtrio might be Powerfull with that Choice Band. It's terrible when you play against a good player. You hardly get any free opportunities (even with Scizor's U-Turn) to catch the opponent really off guard. With Focus Sash you can at least live a hit and retaliate with your own move. You might lose some OHKO's, but you get a lot of Versitality instead. When choosing the Sash, you can also pick Reversal as a last minute resort against Ferrothorn, because franckly, your team cant do much against it ...

The last thing I want to show you is my own Politoed set that I'm using for months allready in my own Rain Team. It's made so it can survive a lot (also resto-chesto) on both spectrums of the offensive side. (both physical and special)

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@ Chesto Berry
Trait: Drizzle
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP | 56 Def | 80 SpA | 120 SpD
Moves: Hydro Pump | Ice Beam | Toxic | Rest

Off course you have to change it a bit if you want to implement it in your team. Since Tenta allready has Toxic, you can choose to run Encore on Politoed instead of Toxic. I choose Hydro Pump over Scald because of the fact that tenta allready has Scald And the fact that Jirachi will Paralyse a lot anyways. Hydro Pump is just much much stronger.
Ice Beam to kill of those nasty Dragons (even when you allready have Skarmory to wall them, or anything else. It allways takes a turn to switch into your answer. If you don't have to do that, you can more easily counteract).

Those were my tips. I hope you'll at least look at them. You should really try something out, even though you allready ranked at number 5, wich is an amazing feet.
Gratz with the Team.
 
NMx13 said:
Very intresting team but I just want to point this out. DO NOT NEVER USE Hidden Power Fire in Rain. I would say that use Earthpower or HP Ice over it. :P

good luck with your team!
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Thx for the rate! Rain isn't always up, and my team can function just ok without it, and so HP Fire is awesome for breaking Volt-Turn chains, ohkoing Scizor. It also does very good damage to Ferrothorn outside of rain, which is great because it can be troubling sometimes. Also even in Rain, HP Fire can do 50% do Scizor, which none of my other moves can do, and also ohkoes Forretress and Scizor if i get a SpD drop with Seed Flare. I have tested both moves you suggested, and i have found HP Fire the one that suits my team best!

@KM888

Your ideas are good, and i will definitely try them out, when i find the time (i am working on a new team right now). Thx for the rate!
 
Politoed doesn't need Perish Song, since he can Encore him into DD, and then easily 2hko him with HP Electric.

Beating stall requires good prediction and smart double switching. For example most stall teams carry Heatran, which can be trapped and killed from Dugtrio. Also after i Toxic Blissey with Tenta on the switch, i can bring in Dugtrio and go for the 2hko with EQ, as many Blisseys aren't afraid of Dugtrio, because they think they can kill him fast enough before going down, which isn't true for CB Dugtrio. If all else fails, SD Scizor is there to sweep right through stall teams if Heatran is gone (Dugtrio), Jellicent is gone (can be worn down and trapped with Dugtrio with smart playing) and Tentacruel is gone (CB Dugtrio ohkoes 50% from full health) as they can't damage him quick enough to prevent him from boosting while recovering. So many times the only thing i have to do against stall teams, is to target the specific pokes that prevent Scizor from sweeping as the last mon, and then go to town!

However stall teams with Shed Shell Heatran absolutely fuck me up!
 
hmm, i forgot to say one thing. If you'd choose to pick Focus Sash over Choice Band on Dugtrio, you'll probaby gotta change the EVs to 252/252 to deal more damage. You'll survive one hit anyway if you manage to spin away rocks. I've noticed Reversal doing around 48% when somewhere in red health (not 1 percent though) with the first EV-Spread.
 
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