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If you think about it logically, marijuana probably isn't the most addictive drug out there. We just made it illegal because the government can't profit off of it. Anyone who drinks soda (some kinds) or coffee is technically on caffeine. It's just as addicting as a lot of other drugs out there, only for some reason it's legal. America is extremely hypocritical. They don't want us smoking pot because of how addictive is is, but there are other legal drugs here that are just as (if not more) addictive.
Yeah, alcohol especially is more harmful than a lot of illegal drugs.
I do think if they could go back in time, they'd make alcohol (and tabacco, etc.) illegal, but the problem is that they're already legal, and lots of people love them, many are also addicted to them (whether they realize it or not), so if the Goverments all decided to ban alcohol suddenly, there'd be worldwide uproar, and they'd definitely lose the next election, and so on.
The best they can do is gradually try and phase it out (by making those things more expensive in the hope people stop doing them).
It's true what you say though, with the scientific knowledge we have now, we know a lot of legal substances are very harmful, whilst a lot of illegal substances (such as canabis) aren't very harmful at all, but it's too late for them to change which ones are legal now. It seems silly, but I can understand why it's the way it is.
I probably haven't explained this very well, but it makes sense to me lol.
most drugs banned in the twentieth century were not banned for one specific reason, fwiw
Most important to remember is that, though it's not always obvious in this day and age, America is in fact a democracy, and drug administration will reflect the view of the majority, for the most part.
The claim that marijuana is illegal because it is not something money could be made from is entirely ludicrous: monetizing the drug would make the government billions. You can throw around statements about tobacco lobbyists not wanting the competition, but for the most part, people over 30 remember "just say no," the hippie counter-culture, etc. and the relations of those things to drugs.
I can write volumes about the anti-drug propaganda everyone born after the 1890's has been subject to, but I feel this is neither the time, nor the place, so I'll summarize: many drugs are banned because of racism of the American public at the time, and a fair amount of fearmongering. Consider prohibition in the 1920's: a constitutional amendment was passed banning the sale and production of alcohol. It's no coincidence that this occurred immediately after World War 1, in which, as anyone with a basic grasp of history knows, Germany was one of the main aggressors, and, if nothing else, the Germans are known for their love of beer. Not wanting to be like those nasty, war-mongering Germans, the American public fully supported the banning of alcohol.
Alcohol is of course a product where a lot of profit can be made for the companies producing it, and has been a part of human culture possibly since the beginnings of civilization: though its banning in the States was not effective or long-lived, it still happened.
Enough public support could eventually cause one of the several bills that crop up annually at both the state and federal level regarding the legalization of marijuana to pass: from what I can tell, there is an increasing amount of public support for it, just not quite enough.
this is sort of a haphazard group of points rather than a cohesive post, but I think I'm clear enough: drug laws can change, and things probably aren't as clear-cut as some people seem to think they are.
Most important to remember is that, though it's not always obvious in this day and age, America is in fact a democracy, and drug administration will reflect the view of the majority, for the most part.
The claim that marijuana is illegal because it is not something money could be made from is entirely ludicrous: monetizing the drug would make the government billions. You can throw around statements about tobacco lobbyists not wanting the competition, but for the most part, people over 30 remember "just say no," the hippie counter-culture, etc. and the relations of those things to drugs.
I can write volumes about the anti-drug propaganda everyone born after the 1890's has been subject to, but I feel this is neither the time, nor the place, so I'll summarize: many drugs are banned because of racism of the American public at the time, and a fair amount of fearmongering. Consider prohibition in the 1920's: a constitutional amendment was passed banning the sale and production of alcohol. It's no coincidence that this occurred immediately after World War 1, in which, as anyone with a basic grasp of history knows, Germany was one of the main aggressors, and, if nothing else, the Germans are known for their love of beer. Not wanting to be like those nasty, war-mongering Germans, the American public fully supported the banning of alcohol.
Alcohol is of course a product where a lot of profit can be made for the companies producing it, and has been a part of human culture possibly since the beginnings of civilization: though its banning in the States was not effective or long-lived, it still happened.
Enough public support could eventually cause one of the several bills that crop up annually at both the state and federal level regarding the legalization of marijuana to pass: from what I can tell, there is an increasing amount of public support for it, just not quite enough.
this is sort of a haphazard group of points rather than a cohesive post, but I think I'm clear enough: drug laws can change, and things probably aren't as clear-cut as some people seem to think they are.
I hope it's only a matter of time before drugs are produced by the government, by the people for the people sort of thing. Drug companies are fucking terrifying. And 'street' drugs (although they wouldn't be that anymore) could really really do with some standardization.
I'm down with living in a society addicted to liquor, I think having a big drug that everybody likes is really nice. I want to go somewhere where alcohol is illegal and everybody does opium/[derivatives] as their main drug. It'd be neat.
I think this would be generally ineffective. During the recession (not sure about america, or even canada, but definitely in ontario) both alcohol and tobacco sales sharply increased. The tobacco could be attributed to the whole 'smoking being cool again' thing, but I think it's mainly that people like crutches.
I'm down with living in a society addicted to liquor, I think having a big drug that everybody likes is really nice. I want to go somewhere where alcohol is illegal and everybody does opium/[derivatives] as their main drug. It'd be neat.
Crazy ass trip. A few months ago I was with a friend, who was a new person to it as well. I had one rolled up and we got on my backyard roof and started. I only took a few puffs because I knew this dro was strong as fuck, but was careless when it came to my friend. I probably had about 4 good puffs and my friend had about 8. I told him ahead of time to slow down, but he didn't give a fuck, so naturally, I didn't either.
We climb back in my window and we sit down. I'm on the computer and he was sitting besides me listening to the music I was playing. I've probably never seen somebodys eyes so red in my life. He was completely gone. He was telling me that the music sounded very real, he turned it up louder and I didn't really give a shit either. I was pretty stoned, but I was aware of him. He was sweating so much, even though I wasn't and it was pretty chill. He had a white t on, so that shit became see through, the entire shirt. He started throwing up so I grabbed my trash can and put it by him, which he threw up in. For the next hour and a half he had his head down in the chair and I could just see his head bobbing to the music. Looking up and even the room's light made him throw up. It was a crazy experience but I learned that he had a super high, the sweating and the throwing up really gave it away.
After 3 hours he came back to life. He said he felt so relaxed and even offered to go to cheesecake factory bills on him. Overall, It was a good ass day.
which drugs are banned and which aren't really has nothing to do with how addictive or dangerous they are; things being dangerous or addictive has never even been a good reason to outlaw them. think television, extreme sports, power tools, candy, and so on.
it's really more about alcohol and tobacco being seen as the choice drugs of white, upper-class society -- while opium, weed, and cocaine were (are) seen as brought by the invading chinese, dirty mexicans, and scary negroes...
it's really more about alcohol and tobacco being seen as the choice drugs of white, upper-class society -- while opium, weed, and cocaine were (are) seen as brought by the invading chinese, dirty mexicans, and scary negroes...
Yup. What Dan and Flounder said. If anyone can give me a worthwhile reason for classifying marijuana and peyote and mushrooms (you know, the stuff people of color used/use in religious ceremonies) as a Schedule I drug, along with the likes of heroin and meth, I'm all ears.
great story
usually when i'm super baked i just sleep it off, and that's what i would give as a piece of advice if you feel like you're about to freak out. stay in a place where you feel safe, maybe you need some time alone; do something comforting and mundane, sleep it off.
i've never had throwing up before, although i've felt like it before. never been one for the sweats either. although, this does remind me where i didn't smoke that much but i was quite novice at the time. it was at a music festival and i felt pretty terrible all day after smoking a few times. i had to lie down on the grass and let the world pass me by whilst feeling extremely nauseated in my head.
i did see awesome bands like gold panda, perfume genius, mount kimbie, and stuff though so that was rad.
Funny story: MDMA being schedule I has been ruled unconstitutional in the past. Did a paper on the war on drugs in high school, I believe one source said this happened not once but three times. One of the requirements for Schedule I status is that the substance has no legitimate medical use, which is patently untrue in the case of MDMA: low doses have been shown to work wonders in psychiatric treatment, but MDMA is "more illegal" than benzodiazepenes (sch. IV) and methamphetamine (sch. II), of all things.
I disagree. The government doesn't make money off of it because they know they'd be hypocrites if they did. You're going to tax something that you don't want in your country?? That makes no sense whatsoever, and they know that. Therefore, I don't think they'll be taxing it anytime soon.
Smogon's the last place I expedited to see this sort of thread. . .but I'm ecstatic that it is here. Education is essential, and as the "drug problem" will never go away, harm reduction needs to be made more mainstream and less taboo.
I myself am clean off most everything at this point, having been addicted to both opiates and PCP in the past. I continue to smoke weed and hash despite my better judgment telling me not to, as well as drink on the weekends (and those stressful days).
Despite no longer partaking as I once did, I strongly advocate for harm reduction and education, as it alone can save lives and help preserve good health. Having been through the youth workerringer, and having seen those who succumb to addictions far worse than mine, I realize the great importance which knowledge is to play in the drug culture.
Again, shocked to see a drug thread on the smog, but I certainly ain't complaining.
I myself am clean off most everything at this point, having been addicted to both opiates and PCP in the past. I continue to smoke weed and hash despite my better judgment telling me not to, as well as drink on the weekends (and those stressful days).
Despite no longer partaking as I once did, I strongly advocate for harm reduction and education, as it alone can save lives and help preserve good health. Having been through the youth workerringer, and having seen those who succumb to addictions far worse than mine, I realize the great importance which knowledge is to play in the drug culture.
Again, shocked to see a drug thread on the smog, but I certainly ain't complaining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax
taxing a good or service increases the cost to supply it and to purchase it, resulting in fewer sales and less of that good/service in the market
And with you, I also disagree, at least partially: you really think "the government" really cares about looking bad, particularly w/r/t hypocrisy? Presidential campaigns have historically been built upon broken promises, for starters. Congressmen in this day and age are similar, more concerned with re-election than fulfilling political promises.
I will, though, concede that the government (be it the president or congress) doesn't want to turn around and say "yeah, that weed thing? we were pretty much totally wrong on that, sorry guys, wanna go on an apology blunt cruise with Barry O nao?" But that said, pro-legalization bills do come around, and, at the core, congressmen represent the citizens: if public favor were with the legalization of marijuana, eventually, senators and representatives might come around to thinking another few years in congress relies on voting in favor of it.
Like I said: you are in a democracy, and the system does still work sometimes: the government is not this obfuscated entity that arbitrarily writes and passes laws that favor a specific corporate agenda, no matter what some internet denizens or college professors will tell you. The mindset towards drugs (or, at least, marijuana) seems to be shifting as a new generation grows up and begins to usurp the baby boomers. If the legalization of marijuana is inevitable (and, by the way, I'm not entirely convinced it is), then the process will not be instantaneous: you'll see more and more states approve it for medical use, more dispensaries appearing (I think Arizona has started taking applications to open them, and there was talk about opening one here in Rhode Island, right next to where I go to the gym, heh), and more states decriminalizing. Following that, we may even see it being changed from Schedule I, if not becoming unscheduled altogether, though this seems an unlikely fate.
So, in some respects, you are correct: the government probably will not outright turn around and say "hey, we fucked up" like they did in the 1930's with the ending of Prohibition, but that's not to say it can't ever happen.
You can totally ignore this post if you'd like, because I don't take pleasure in the thought of people reliving horrible memories related to drug addiction for my own satisfaction, but PCP is possibly the drug that fascinates me the most, in that everybody knows a guy who knows a guy who's done it, but can't tell you much about it. Even the internet is sparse on real info, do you mind indulging my curiosity about what PCP is really like, be it the effects of the drug, or just some stories? I'm not sure I could ever find the stuff if I wanted to, much less make such a habit out of it I could become addicted.
it's the opposite, you'd be crazy to heavily tax something that you do like within the country, restricting supply, raising cost, etc. (price burden is dependent on price elasticity of demand blah blah)
i'm kinda reiterating what ud said but that is a hopelessly naive post lol
i'm kinda reiterating what ud said but that is a hopelessly naive post lol
What kind of time frame are you talking about? Do you believe it will actually never, ever be legal? Like, for the entire existence of humanity? Or just our generation?
Paid $15 for the first time yesterday, was really really upset, until I tried it. Holy fucking shit. Top 5 highest I've ever been. Only time I've enjoyed blops. 1 on 1 is so intense.
Thanks for showing interest, and I do truly appreciate the consideration. I'm more than willing to discuss it seeing as how I only danced with it in comparison to how I once took opiates, and as such, it doesn't hold the same emotional weight over me. Feel free to skip the first few paragraphs if you want to skip the back-story and get to the good stuff.
I was unable to procure any cannabis for a little while, so my dealer brought me to meet an individual at the most rundown and notorious "drug building" in my neighborhood. I picked up what was slightly less than an ounce, and upon inspection, immediately noticed the unusual, crystal-like sheen which it had, and the hardened texture of it. When smoked, the first abnormal thing which I noticed was the taste, it was quite musky and basement-esque. Initially it smelt just like regular cannabis, however after several days my room smelt like a mix between raw sewer fumes and feces, a smell which took weeks to dissipate, and remained in my nostrils even when I was away.
When I first indulged in PCP, I didn't notice any remarkably distinct effects: it felt akin to a cannabanoid-induced high, however I did notice soon thereafter that I was experienceing very strong dissociative effects; entire shifts at work, my daily commute, conversations had, most anything which occurred while under the influence was lost in a foggy haze. Most distinctly, my eyes were a bloodshot red, something which cannabis doesn't typically do to me. While these effects may seem atypical of cannabis, they aren't for me, and progressively deviated from my well-known state of being.
After a week or so, I noticed intense withdrawal symptoms when I didn't smoke early, forcing me to consume at an early hour to settle the illness. The smell didn't help matters, and neither did my progressively worsening dizziness. The visual distortions started soon after that, when the normally straight horizontal lines on my walls began to bleed and ripple, and the seasonal lights which adorned my room flickered and glowed unusually and sporadically.
My co-ordination began getting worse at this period, tumbling around like a drunk each and every day. My tolerance also grew, requiring me to smoke more than I ever previously had. This event catalyzed into a series of vivid, overpowering, slightly traumatic hallucinations which led to me dropping the drug entirely.
One summer afternoon, myself and a friend were sitting on the edge of our city's escapement, a place where youth commonly converge. We both smoked the laced cannabis out of a bong (or more correctly, a zong), and after approximate fifteen minutes, perceived to be entirely immersed by another world. I lay back, looking up at the tree which was rooted in front of me, but hung over my head. I was, seemingly, instantaneously launched into a a CRT Television world. I could feel the presence of the fauz-wood sidings around me, despite not actually seeing them. My vision had horizontal lines which trailed down, there was a buzzing noise within my head, and the entirety of the sky was a solid light blue.
<I will progress hoping you have knowledge of older-era home game consoles, specifically the Atari 2600 and Nintendo 64> The aforementioned tree was now stylized in a fashion similar to the 2600 version of Donkey Kong, being out of proportion and almost unrecognizable. It had a gnarled face to it, not all unlike The Great Deku Tree of Zelda fame, and several smaller duplicated of this tree scrolled by, connected like paper snowflakes.
After snapping out of that visual, I found my self once again perceiving the real world, however, my vision was thrust from my eyes, and I was now viewing myself and my friend from approximately 4 feet away. At this point I was experiencing full dissociation, having a complete out of body experience. I was overwhelmed, and had I not been so high, I would have likely had a panic attack. My vision then panned around, and I could see two distinct images, two point of view, without disrupting each other. My initial perspective remained the same, whilst the newer secondary one was that of a N64-era Lakitu (from behind). The two different images changed and shifted around separately, until they slowly dissipated and my regular vision, by and large, returned. I didn't touch PCP after that. After a week of being bedridden, the odor of decay it left still lingered, but when I finally stepped outside I felt rejuvenated for the first time in upwards of a month.
I realize how fanciful this may all sound, but I assure you that, while I was the only one to perceive it, that I have not falsified these events. What's quite odd about the whole event is that I'm not even a big fan of the Mario series games. I hadn't even played one prior to then in several years. Dormant memories find their way out with the right provocation, and on that day, they most certainly did.
I guess that, mostly, I don't claim to have even remotely enough foresight or prescience to say what the legal structure of America will look like in ten, twenty, or fifty years, and that regarding anything as inevitable in the wonderful world of politics and lawmaking is probably a bit foolhardy.
Certainly, places will always exist that break the mold and defy the natural condition on world drug laws: even today, we have the Netherlands and Portugal doing this, seemingly with success. I guess that, mostly, when talking about the future legal status of marijuana with, well, stoners, they're often convinced it won't remained scheduled forever, and I don't necessarily see this as a universal truth.
I'm gonna be going to Ohio in two years for University(goddamn money), and I'm gonna smoke weed there for the first time. Does anyone know how to make connections for actually getting weed? Me and this friend of mine both agreed we're going to do it, and she's gonna be in an apartment near mine. I don't care about the bowl or the lighter or something like that. I'm planning to be responsible with it and not try any crazy shit.
tl;dr: How to make connections to get weed?
tl;dr: How to make connections to get weed?
you can just ask anyone who looks chill. not every student will smoke but every student will know at least 5 people who do.
and yeah, what vader said about people offering to sell you some will happen if you loiter around for long enough.
and yeah, what vader said about people offering to sell you some will happen if you loiter around for long enough.
