alternatives to leftovers for swampert and tangrowth?

[Tricky]

I sometimes put these two on my team from my roster.
Both usually have Tangrowth. But when there's item clause in effect, what's a good substitute for one of the two?

 

[pooch]

If your Tangrowth has Sleep Powder, you might consider Wide Lens. It will also benefit Power Whip.

 

[storm]

Lum / Chesto Berry with Rest to recover?

 

[Edux]

I like Iron Ball on swampert. Its funning hitting Skarmory and otehr flying types with earthquake

Liar, Iron Ball needs to be Tricked to the other Pokemon in order to hit it with your Ground moves and halvin' its Speed.

Then maybe Swampert could work with the Grass Attack reduction berry?

 

[TempestJG]

reduction berries are always an option, although the only grass attack really seen is Grass Knot...and sometimes Power Whip when the opponent is running a Tangrowth.

 

[Tricky]

How much % does Zoom Lens increase compared to Wide Lens?

Isn't WIde lens like 10% of the accuracy of the move?

So a 70% hypnosis would be 77% with Wide Lens?​

 

[Saanaito]

Liar, Iron Ball needs to be Tricked to the other Pokemon in order to hit it with your Ground moves and halvin' its Speed.

I think Edux means hitting Skarm with Earthquake after Skarm uses Roost.

 

[ΩDonut]

I think storm just realized his error and ate his words. ;]

 

[Zacharian]

If you have any Poison types that are hogging up your Leftovers, give 'em Black Sludge instead. Same thing, but only for Poison types...

 

[Edux]

Shell Bell could also work for Swampy/Tangrowth takin' into consideration that they sometimes hit random stuff pretty hard (Swamperts KOs many stuff with Ice Beam, 2KOs Skarm with Surf, 2KOs Tyranitar, etc, etc) and that gives you some nice recovery.

 

[CT20]

Sitirus does not work for Swampert, sadly. CBTyranitar will 2HKO the standard Swampert with Crunch with Sitirus recovery or not.

I think even if there was item clause, Tangrowth should have Leftovers. If you are using it as a Gyarados counter, Leftovers ensures that it survives(Its a very close margin, if it taunts you, you can't Leech seed or Sleep Powder so your recovery is very very limited without Leftovers) Power Whip is about a 3HKO, and DDGyarados with 383 Atk 3HKO's with Ice Fang without it.

What are you using on your team that needs Leftovers? It depends. Things that depend on substitues, like Raikou, probably need Leftovers, and should have priority. Things with a recovery move probably should drop Leftovers(Blissey and stuff). And things like Vaporeon sometimes work better with Sitirus berry(25% recovery is nice).