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Hooooly shit, it's CIM.

Long time no see amigo.

sup man, glad to be back

Anyone have experience with the K2 you can order online?

not safe, not worth it. I haven't personally smoked it, a friend of mine did, imagine a weed high but with intense nausea and physical withdrawal symptoms and you're almost at JWH-018.

but now that it's scheduled you'll be getting a different research chemical, and they don't even tell you what it is on the package. not smart.

why would you not just smoke pot?
 
yeah k2 got hit in the anti-bath salts bill, and anything with similar/identical effects is covered by the (shitty) legislation. deffo not worth it over real marijuana/thc extracts
 
there is one vapour lounge in the usa (as far as i know). it's in portland, and you need a medical license. i've heard it's very easy to get a medical marijuana license in oregon, if you think it's worth a shot. on the other hand, toronto and vancouver have probably more than a dozen between them.

There's about four vapour lounges in downtown Olympia, are you guys not looking hard enough...?
 
are you allowed to openly use weed in them? or are they just for electric cigarettes and the like

knowing that washington is one of the three states about to vote on marjiuana legislation, it shouldn't surprise me, but i had no idea, heh.
 
do you avoid caffeine and alcohol too? physical addiction just means there are associated withdrawal symptoms. even then, occasional use won't incur addiction

EDIT: and my above post was mostly for "is it fun / do you know a good online vendor / other" from someone who has tried it

Those are different kinds of addiction. Shit like heroine hits you like nicotine. Shit like alcohol only becomes addictive if you have a problem.
 
Those are different kinds of addiction. Shit like heroine hits you like nicotine. Shit like alcohol only becomes addictive if you have a problem.

I don't see how "having a problem" is different from "being addicted," exactly? Alcohol addiction is very much a physical one, and it's one of few withdrawals that will kill you, the others being heroin and co., and benzos. (citation probably needed)

Alcohol has perhaps more of a grey area between "casual user" and "addict" than heroin, but I think both are a pretty slippery slope, in the end.

Regarding K2 and other synthetic cannabinoids: I'm seemingly less opposed to using these than others itt, but i don't think that they're all that great anyway? They can mix well with weed (which helps mask the usually god-awful taste) but by themselves they're usually just weird and short-lasting. If you have access to marijuana, you should probably just go for that. Even if you don't, dunno how worth it synthetic shit would be, might as well just do without imo.

I recently tried an unintentionally low dose of ecstasy but had one of the best days I've had in a while as a result. Didn't exactly roll face, but was definitely much happier than I normally am. Should be doing more of that (and in higher doses) in the coming weeks, which is pretty cool.
 
I think your main idea was correct, but it is possible to have a problem and not be addicted. I would say I have a drinking problem because when I drink I nearly always get to a stage where I blackout and need help from others to avoid getting into trouble with campus police or hurting myself. This past year I broke my computer, my glasses, and damaged my room as well as dislocating my shoulder and fucking up my ankle. So I have a drinking problem. But I only drink twice per week and am not addicted.

Of course using alcohol the way I do is pretty embarrassing, but I did it because I'm very shy and quiet and alcohol opens me up when I'm in a comfortable drunk state. The problem is that I don't stop.

Just a personal story of having a problem but not being addicted. I really enjoy this thread and follow it closely even though I only drink and very rarely smoke weed. Would be open to trying MDMA if the opportunity arose.
 
but it is possible to have a problem and not be addicted.

"drinking problem" is literally a euphemism for "addiction". That's why people in AA meetings always open with "I'm X and I have a drinking problem."

But I only drink twice per week and am not addicted.

I do have to ask how you can definitively say that, seeing as you drink regularly and apparently regularly lose any sense of restraint or self control.

The problem is that I don't stop.

Why don't you? Easiest way to prove you're not addicted is quit cold turkey and prove it to yourself. I don't mean to jump down your throat about this, but I sure could have used a similar slap in the face a few months back.
 

Maybe I misunderstood Flounder's arguement, but it seemed part of it was "alcohol addiction and problem drinking are mutually inclusive." That was the point I was trying to argue against. Not discussing terminology.

On the addiction self-diagnosis, I have quit cold turkey since being back home from college, should have made that more clear. The twice a week was in regards to my school drinking habits. My high school friends are not big drinkers so I maybe drank twice in June and have drank once this month. No adverse effects in stopping.

I tried giving a bit of the reasoning why I don't stop, it's mostly being part of the group / loosening up at whatever gathering I'm at, and I easily go past the tipping point. When I've drank here at home I've been strict on a drink count and therefore never even got past buzzed so I was not my usual drunken mess. Really a common sense thing but it took me a year to figure it out lol
 
sorry for the harshness friar. do watch yourself though.

quitting weed is harder than they said

it gets easier after a week or so. melatonin should help with any trouble sleeping and some exercise was a decent way to get over it.

i've heard it's much harder if you mix tobacco in it, though why you'd do that I have no fucking idea
 
I don't see how "having a problem" is different from "being addicted," exactly? Alcohol addiction is very much a physical one, and it's one of few withdrawals that will kill you, the others being heroin and co., and benzos. (citation probably needed)

I thought heroin wasn't in that group? iirc alex said something to that effect after amy whinehouse died, horse withdrawal will make you feel like shit, but you won't die from it. "and that's why god invented benzos anyways" were in there somewhere.

Why don't you? Easiest way to prove you're not addicted is quit cold turkey and prove it to yourself. I don't mean to jump down your throat about this, but I sure could have used a similar slap in the face a few months back.
Just going to point out that he meant that he has a hard time cutting himself off while drinking, and ends up drinking too much and getting blackout drunk.

I'm much the same way! a couple weeks ago I nearly got the shit kicked out of me by some dealers in the donvalley when I wouldn't shut the fuck up. Luckily a lovely fellow had the foresight to put his hand over my mouth
Semi related to that (what i was drinking) limonada (canned tangy as balls lemonade stuff) and gin is fucking delicious


Also got some 2-ci at the aforementioned valley party, did it last friday(?).
I kind of want to live on it, what a great drug. Super redonk small doeses though, I didn't realize how many grams were in a gel cap, taking 2.5cg hardly even made it higher than a tenth of the way up. Poor little cap looked so empty.
High was phenomenal, music was amazing, was having the same visuals I'd had on salvia. Little starry boxes everywhere, like when you get hit the back of the head really hard, except they weren't interfering with my regular vision at all, so i had this weird double vision stuff going on. No nausea (which I had heard is a side effect, and I get nauseous at everything so it was nice not to) or worries, just sat and chilled.
Was great drug, definitely recommend, will do again
 
I thought heroin wasn't in that group? iirc alex said something to that effect after amy whinehouse died, horse withdrawal will make you feel like shit, but you won't die from it. "and that's why god invented benzos anyways" were in there somewhere.

though I don't have the full story here, my friend's brother knew someone who died as a result of heroin withdrawal

anecdotal evidence is always inferior to actual facts, but heroin withdrawal is hardly something I have reason to look into seeing as I never intend to touch the stuff, so I could be wrong on this
 
Maybe I misunderstood Flounder's arguement, but it seemed part of it was "alcohol addiction and problem drinking are mutually inclusive." That was the point I was trying to argue against. Not discussing terminology.

On the addiction self-diagnosis, I have quit cold turkey since being back home from college, should have made that more clear. The twice a week was in regards to my school drinking habits. My high school friends are not big drinkers so I maybe drank twice in June and have drank once this month. No adverse effects in stopping.

I tried giving a bit of the reasoning why I don't stop, it's mostly being part of the group / loosening up at whatever gathering I'm at, and I easily go past the tipping point. When I've drank here at home I've been strict on a drink count and therefore never even got past buzzed so I was not my usual drunken mess. Really a common sense thing but it took me a year to figure it out lol

Be careful man, you sound a lot like me. I used to think I didn't have any problems drinking because I could stop at any time I wanted for months on end. I had the same stuff happen to me though, the blacking out, doing stupid shit, getting in trouble, etc. Getting sent to the drunk tank was a good wake up call for me. I found that my problem was mostly due to hard liquor since its way harder to control your intake than beer. So I've stuck to beer lately and as long as I have a really good meal before I go out for drinks, I've been ok. Some people just can't keep up with others, and like you said once you go passed that tipping point you lose control. I was the same way too, being a shy guy I thought I could rely on alcohol to be more confident. It never works though because I just end up making a fool of myself.

Lately I've been trying to ween myself off by smoking weed in place of drinking and I actually feel a lot healthier. I know smoking weed itself is not healthy but compared to what drinking does its almost harmless. I only do it maybe twice a week. Anyway, I just felt I had to post my situation because yours sounded so similar. Hope everything works out better for you than it did for me.
 
Glad you've found success in moderation, ala

Lately I've been trying to ween myself off by smoking weed in place of drinking and I actually feel a lot healthier. I know smoking weed itself is not healthy but compared to what drinking does its almost harmless. I only do it maybe twice a week.

The main physical symptoms you have to worry about are lung problems over a long period of time, but as you said it's nothing compared to alcohol. Not really much at all to worry about health wise. And if you vape you're way better off.

That, and when I smoked a lot more I gained some weight, because I kept ordering Domino's instead of getting off my ass to make a real meal.
 
do you avoid caffeine and alcohol too? physical addiction just means there are associated withdrawal symptoms. even then, occasional use won't incur addiction

EDIT: and my above post was mostly for "is it fun / do you know a good online vendor / other" from someone who has tried it

Everything in moderation. That's my philosophy. Although, I try to stay away from stuff that will stay in my lungs.
 
has anyone else noticed that when you are looking at a ceiling with nothing but a smoke detector it can appear to 'crawl' about

or is it just me...
 
I'm very sorry. I meant no offense in any way. I shall talk properly now without bearing any disrespect for neither your opinions nor your tone.
 
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