Standard Rain Stall team

Neliel

Sacred Sword
Introduction:


Hi there. The team that im going to present you is what you can describe as the standard Bw2 Rainstall team. Maybe someone already seen it on the ladder (i play showdown mostly, but i also used this on Po) anyway it already works well, im posting it mostly to share it with you. I have not reached any important rankings with this though, but simply because i dont have so much time to ladder.


Building Phase:



As a defensive player i've always liked stall-based team, even though since the release of bw2 i've only played balanced teams. The reason was that the metagame was not enough stabilized to attempt a good stall team. Before building the team i did a "list" of thing that i wanted to use or not.
A) I didnt want to use a Weatherless team. The reason is that anytime i do a weatherless team, then i have problem with "boosted Fire blast under sun" "clorophillers" "boosted hydro pump" ect. meaning that without the control of the weather you have an handicap. My idea was to build possibly around the Sand.
B) I didnt want to use Starmie as a spinner. Starmie doesnt have the stat to be good in a fullstall team, because if u use bulky variants its easily pursuittable and his defenses are not enough anyway. Also, i wanted to avoid any Bug weaknesses, due to Genesect. I didnt want to use Donphan because its a shitty spinner in my opinion (yeah he does his work under the sun but thats about it) also it needs the support of a grounded poison pokemon to work, meaning that i have to add amoonguus or tentacruel. Forretress was somehow tempting, even though its a setup fodder of a lot of things, his Toxic spikes support can be good. I didnt want to run tentacruel under sand, i really hate it.
C) I already knew that Skarmory was going to be in the team. The reason is simple, stall teams NEEDS the spikes support to work, and other than ferrothorn any other spiker doesnt work that well in defensive teams. The advantage that Skarmory has compared to Ferrorhorn is its typing and Roost, also its the only thing that can "stop" the ground+dragon coverage (aka Garchomp)
D) Sheer force landorus. Sheer force Landorus is a pain of a pokemon, really, his coverage makes it so hard to check, not to talk about his raw power. Basically, i wanted to build around a true counter of this pokemon because any stall i made before were weak to Landorus. Calm mind Latias, Specially defensive Celebi and Blissey were the only stallish things that came to mind in that moment. Firstly, i thought that neither Celebi or Latias would have worked well because they are easily trapped by Tyranitar's Pursuit and they both had that bug weakness that i wanted to avoid. After some calculations, sadly, i realised that Modest Focus blast with Stealth rock support against a 0/252+calm nature had chances to get a 2ko on Blissey (Just to say how powerfull it is) so i had to use Chansey instead. Even tough im not a fan of eviolite, because i think that Leftovers is superior in a lot of situations, the extra bulk that chansey has was needed. The problem is, that Chansey hates the sandstorm, meanign that i had to use weatherless (no) or.. Politoed. Yeah politoed could solve me the problem of the spinner, making rain dish Tentacruel almost immortal, and halfing my fire weakness to Skarmory, making Dragonite and Salamence less threating. At this point I needed a second special wall to support Chansey, because a lot of things can lure her (psyshock, trick, magic guard users, Gengar, ect) so my choice was Jirachi. Jirachi has that rock resistance that helps me dealing with Choice Terrakion, an the wish support which is great. At this point i needed another reliable switch-in on fighting types, as well as eletric pokemon. Basically i wanted a Grass type pokemon, so i tried Regenerator Amoonguss.



The Team:


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In Depth:


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Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spd
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Protect
- Toxic
- Refresh/ Perish Song



Politoed is here only because it can support the team with Drizzle and almost nothing else. Its typing is not that usefull here, but at least i have something to sac if i dont have to care about the weather war. I use a bulky set to take more hits, mostly V-create or Flare blitz, otherwhise a choice scarf variant would be really apreciated to revenge kill annoying stuff. I use that speed evs to outspeed the majority of Jellicent and toxic it before they can taunt me. Refresh helps me here to avoid being burned. This is basically my best way to deal with it, since Tentacruel has Toxic spikes instead of toxic(yeah, obviously if my opponent doesnt have spinners/grounded poison pokemon the first thing you should do it to setup Ts) . Scald is the general stab, the burn rate helps me dealing with Ferrothorn, Protect helps to scout moves and toxic to cripple anything weak to it. Refresh is also here to have a safe switch-in in Ninetales, even though i have Chansey, and to avoid status by other bulky water, called Gastrodon, Tentacruel,Jellicent. To be honest, Politoed should have 5 slot to work perfectly here :( in fact, with Perish song i have at least something to beat Baton pass teams(yeah i know sometimes they have mr mime...) , and it makes Politoed less setup fodder. honestly, i think that both Refresh and Perish song are usefull here, so im thinking about Protect<Perish song.


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Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers/ Shed shell
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Brave Bird



Skarmory is my spiker, phazer and main phisical wall. its role is quite obvious, and so is the set. It helps me dealing with Ground types pokemon, Dragon and some Fighting pokemon. Just a little comment on the item: Magnezone/Gothitelle are not that common, even though now with the unban of Garchomp they will probably get more love. As of now, i use leftovers on the ladder and the shed shell in the tourney, but i think that shed shell will be the right item because of Garchomp+Magnezone.


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Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Softboiled
- Stealth Rock



Chansey is my main special wall. It takes hits like a boss, even the physical one (yeah lol) and its my Stealth rocker. I didnt want to run Stealth rock on jirachi because generally Chansey has more chance to setup it, lets sey that Jirachi can setup easily Stealth rock against Sand teams but not that easily against Sun teams. Chansey can avoid this problem because it can setup on almost any special pokemon. Toxic is to stall out things, and seismic toss because.. well i dont know its the only way to her to do damage. Then again i havent that much to say, i use calm nature to tank more easily Sheer force Landorus and special hits in general. I've never felt the need to change this spread, since Chansey is not here to tank phisical hits anyway.


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Tentacruel (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic Spikes
- Protect
- Rapid Spin



Another standard set. The only thing that i have to say is that Toxic spikes are sometimes game breaking, sometimes.. not. Levitate pokemon, Flying and Steel pokemon, Magic guard, Poison pokemon and Rapid spin are all thing that can stop this strategy, and they are quite common. Anyway, as a spinner i always need to keep it healty, otherwhise it cant get his job done. Scald helps me dealing with ferrothorn, because the burn is essential to make it less threatening. Its typing helps me dealing with fighting types like Lucario, Keldeo or Terrakion, as well as taking hits by Scizor or Genesect.


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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Iron Head
- Thunder



Jirachi is.. the best pokemon in existence. Its wish support helps a lot this team, and its typing is really good, having a lot of resistances and only one weakness under rain. Iron head is for general stab, and in combination with Thunder can flinch to death everything.. even Air baloon Heatran. Wish should be always used in combination with protect though, because it really helps Jirachi being alive. My only doubt is between Body slam or Thunder: Thunder is generally better, because it hits water types, and Skarmory, even tough Body slam can catch some ground types like Dugtrio or Landorus in predict, and can paralize Thundurus. I dont have much to say, if played correctly this set is a pain even for offensive teams. The evs are to maximize the special bulk (even tough i dont think its even necessary, maybe i will fix this spread to take less damage from outrage)



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Amoonguss (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature
- Spore
- Stun Spore
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Giga Drain



Amoonguss is serious business. With spore, its basically like playing 5 vs 6, and in combination with Stun spore, if used well, it can cripple even more than one pokemon. Anyway you should not mindless click Spore, because sometimes sporing something is the best way to deal with it. I have 4 evs in speed here just to outspeed other Amonguss or Calm mind Reuniclus. Giga drain is the general stab, while Hp ice hits for supereffective damage Thundurus, Glisocr, Landorus, and Dragons. I have a max defense one to take less damage from something like Choice band Terrakion or Earthquake from Landorus.


Threath List:
Politoed: Tentacruel, Chansey, Amoonguss.
Ferrothorn: Mainly i have to burn it with scald. It cant touch Skarmory or Jirachi anyway, so i just have to wait till i get the burn. Also amoonguss can outspeed it and spore it.
Genesect: Just check its move with protect and send out the right pokemon. Anyway Jirachi and Chansey can stop it.
Dragonite: Dragon dance Dnite are stopped by skarmory all day. Choice band one are almost the same.
Scizor: Tentacruel and Skarmory can stop it, both sword dance set and cb.
Heatran: lol its a rain team.
Tyranitar: Chople tar with stealth rock cant do much to Politoed, Tentacruel, Skarmory only fear Fire blast, even amoonguus can wall it and spore it, Jirachi can flinch it to death. Maybe i can have some problem with choice banded versions, but i can just send out amongus to check its move and send out the proper pokemon. Any form of status helps me dealing with it.
Breloom: Spore is annoying, for sure, anyway almost any set are stopped by a combination of Amongus+Skarmory.
Gliscor: Sword dance variants without Taunt are stopped by skarmory, even the acrobat one. if it has taunt u can still hit it with Politoed or Amoonguss. Sub toxic gliscor is completely walled by Skarmory and Amongus.
Rotom-w: Chansey and amongus can stop it. The first thing u should is to check if its a choice variant or not. If its a choice scarf one, then always send out amongus to avoid being tricked chansey. If its a bulky variant with will-o-wisp, then switch out to chansey.
Jirachi: well... Jirachi with a set of iron head, thunder wish+filler can be annoying for sure, even tough once u have burned it its a way easier to deal with. Calm mind version with substitute seems to be dangerous but, you are underestimating the fatness of chansey. Even at +6 psichic fails to do more than 40% damage lol. Only the 3% of the jirachi has psyshock (according to the september stat) so its not that common. If it has calm mind+wish... well to be honest i've never found one in the ladder. If it has choice scarf, just be careful about trick.
Salamence: Choice scarf variants are not difficult to deal with. i dont have any "counter" for dd salamence, here u need to be smart and send out skarmory when u know it will outrage you.
Ninetales: itself cant do much against this team. the problem is drought and only that.....
Terrakion: ahha, well, scarf variants (the more common) cant do anything to this team. Cb one can be annoying, even tough i can check his move with amongus and then send out Jirachi if it did stone edge. Also, skarmory can take an hit, so can politoed and the same tentacruel. Sword dance one are difficult to deal with it (not impossible, just dont let it setup)
Latios: any set are checked by chansey and Jirachi. The only thing that it can do is to trick Chansey or Jirachi, but still its not a problem.
Forretress: well lol. noth much to say about this guy.
Starmie: can be annoying if it has rapid spin+recover, but well offensively speaking it cant do anything to chansey.
Gengar: hard stopped by jirachi.
Alakazam: stopped by jirachi and chansey.
Tentacruel: Refresh toed does the trick. If u have burned it its pretty much gg.
Mamoswine: Skarmory can handle it.
Volcarona: Chansey and tentacruel both can stop it.
Infernape: rain itself make it less viable. Tentacruel can stop it.
Venusaur: well, it can setup on blissey BUT if i have rain up (the reason why i always want to switch politoed on ninetales) jirachi can paralize it, and it it has earthquake so i should assume it has hp ice, so skarmory can brave bird it.
Tornadus-t: well i have chansey and jirachi, i couldnt be more prepared for this guy.
espeon: well i dont know, jirachi can stop it and if it has stored power and baton pass... maybe perish song toed? lol
Skarmory: always send out tentacruel.
Cloyster: hum, Politoed, tentacruel, Jirachi, can all stop it.
Landorus: special sets are handled by Chansey. Phisical one by SKarmory and amongus.
Gyarados: well, one of the reason why perish song should be used on politoed is dragon dance gyarados. Anyway jirachi can take an hit and strike back a ko with thunder.
Thundurus: nasty plot variants can be annoying, i know, but honestly i've only faced one or two. Body slam can help here, anyway the other sets are not a problem.
Jellicent: i can toxic it with Politoed, amongus can help somehow and so does thunder jirachi. Sure is that untill it doestn die i will have problem to spin.
Lucario: well lol. Lucario is strong. Tentacruel and amongus can both try to take espeed+2 to scald or status him back, anyway it can setup a sd only against chansey and nothing else.
Donphan: pretty much the entire team bar jirachi.
Conkeldurr: annoying one, but honestly i think that is a fail of a pokemon, and i cant understand why people uses it... anyway, it may seems stupid but you can try to Toxic it, so its easier to stall out, you can spore it with amongus, and brave bird with skarmory.
Haxorus: skarmory is my main answer.
Hydreygon: anything on the team can take a draco meteor, anyway depending on the set, both jirachi and chansey can stop it.
Dugtrio: can be annoying if it traps jirachi, but wathever,eq is not even a ko.
Latias: chansey can stop calm mind latias easily. If it has refresh i can still flinch it to death with jirahci.
Reuniclus: a combination of jirachi and chansey stops any set.
Magnezone: Well as i said just use shed shell if u play for a tour. It can give pressure to almost the entire team bar chansey, even tough scarf variants are easily to deal with since it will be locked into a move. If it has substitute and it can trap jirachi im in trouble, but hey, nothing can avoid this.
Keldeo: if its a choice one, a combination of amongus and tentacruel can stop it. Calm mind variants just have to be statused. if it has substitue, then it probably have hp ghost and secret sword, so amongus can wall it.
Deoxys-d: just saying, if your opponent has an heavy offense with deo-d ALWAYS lead with tentacruel, no matter what. If they lead with deo-d, then just spam rapid spin (psychoo bost is not that common) to avoid stelath rock. If they dont, well you still have an answer to almost anything, so its not a big problem.
garchomp: well lol skarmory is my main answer even tough i can only phaze it.. well a status can let it down anyway.


Import:
Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spd
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Protect
- Toxic
- Refresh

Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Softboiled
- Stealth Rock

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Brave Bird

Tentacruel (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic Spikes
- Protect
- Rapid Spin

Amoonguss (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature
- Spore
- Stun Spore
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Giga Drain

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Iron Head
- Thunder

Well, thats it. Feel free to rate/hate/steal it, and if you liked it leave a luvdisc :x
 
When I look at teams (especially stall teams), I normally rate them by how much I would hate going up against them. And when I looked at this team, I had a very sad feeling in my stomach. But that aside, here's what I think:

Your team in Sun weak. If Ninetales happens to win the weather war, 3 of your Pokemon (Skarmory, Jirachi, and Amoongus) instantly get demolished. Also, you might want to invest in a sweeper of some sort in order to pick off your opponent's weakened Pokemon. As you already have Chansey and Skarmory, you could turn Jirachi into a Calm Mind sweeper:

Jirachi @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
~Substitute
~Calm Mind
~Thunder
~Water Pulse

However, if you still need Wish support, you can switch Amoongus out for something as I find it to be the least useful (you already have Toxic Spikes, so why a status inducer?).

I really don't want to mess with the Skarmory-Chansey-Tentacruel core, but switch Chansey's HP EVs with it's Special Defense EVs. Chansey needs to tank as many hits as possible, so it needs max HP.

There's some other problems with this team as well (like it's also generally Electric weak), but I'll just leave it at this.
 
When I look at teams (especially stall teams), I normally rate them by how much I would hate going up against them. And when I looked at this team, I had a very sad feeling in my stomach. But that aside, here's what I think:

Your team in Sun weak. If Ninetales happens to win the weather war,
3 of your Pokemon (Skarmory, Jirachi, and Amoongus) instantly get demolished. Also, you might want to invest in a sweeper of some sort in order to pick off your opponent's weakened Pokemon. As you already have Chansey and Skarmory, you could turn Jirachi into a Calm Mind sweeper:

Yeah, but tell me, how can ninetales win the weather war? just saying, i have refresh on politoed so it cant status me.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
~Substitute
~Calm Mind
~Thunder
~Water Pulse

However, if you still need Wish support, you can switch Amoongus out for something as I find it to be the least useful (you already have Toxic Spikes, so why a status inducer?).

I dont have any sort of sweeper because this is a stall team, isnt it obvious? also this set is not the best thing you can suggest, since i could just run Wish+cm+thunder+psichic. A lot of things are immune to toxic spikes, and Spore is a great move, i dont see why should i change it. Amongus also has regenerator, dont underestimate it.

I really don't want to mess with the Skarmory-Chansey-Tentacruel core, but switch Chansey's HP EVs with it's Special Defense EVs. Chansey needs to tank as many hits as possible, so it needs max HP.


There's some other problems with this team as well (like it's also generally Electric weak), but I'll just leave it at this.

The only three common eletric pokemon are Rotom-w, Thundurus, and Magnezone, i have max special defense for this reason, so why should i change it?
 
When I look at teams (especially stall teams), I normally rate them by how much I would hate going up against them. And when I looked at this team, I had a very sad feeling in my stomach. But that aside, here's what I think:

Your team in Sun weak. If Ninetales happens to win the weather war,
3 of your Pokemon (Skarmory, Jirachi, and Amoongus) instantly get demolished. Also, you might want to invest in a sweeper of some sort in order to pick off your opponent's weakened Pokemon. As you already have Chansey and Skarmory, you could turn Jirachi into a Calm Mind sweeper:

Yeah, but tell me, how can ninetales win the weather war? just saying, i have refresh on politoed so it cant status me.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
~Substitute
~Calm Mind
~Thunder
~Water Pulse

However, if you still need Wish support, you can switch Amoongus out for something as I find it to be the least useful (you already have Toxic Spikes, so why a status inducer?).

I dont have any sort of sweeper because this is a stall team, isnt it obvious? also this set is not the best thing you can suggest, since i could just run Wish+cm+thunder+psichic. A lot of things are immune to toxic spikes, and Spore is a great move, i dont see why should i change it. Amongus also has regenerator, dont underestimate it.

I really don't want to mess with the Skarmory-Chansey-Tentacruel core, but switch Chansey's HP EVs with it's Special Defense EVs. Chansey needs to tank as many hits as possible, so it needs max HP.


There's some other problems with this team as well (like it's also generally Electric weak), but I'll just leave it at this.

The only three common eletric pokemon are Rotom-w, Thundurus, and Magnezone, i have max special defense for this reason, so why should i change it?
1. Pokemon is unpredictable. You may think you can take a hit with Politoed when it turns out to be a critical hit. Anything can happen.

2.I know it's a stall team, but there are some Pokemon that won't be beaten by stalling (Reuniclus, Magic Guard Alakazam, most Steel-types, etc.) Therefore, it's good to have a powerful sweeper that can deal with those Pokemon- especially Reuniclus because if it's running Psyshock, you're pretty screwed.

3. I never said Amoongus wasn't a good Pokemon. Regenerator is arguably the best ability in the game and it can make a very decent wall. I'm just saying should you want a new Pokemon on your team, you're best bet is most likely getting rid of Amoongus.

4. Yes there are few Electric-types, but how many Pokemon in OU can learn Electric-type attacks? Latios/Latias, Jirachi, Reuniclus, and Genesect just to name a few (and that's just in OU). Like you said, it probably won't be a big deal, but better safe than sorry. Also, yes you might have max Special Defense, but if you keep on switching in Chansey, it'll become predictable and your opponent can double switch into an appropriate counter.
 
1. Pokemon is unpredictable. You may think you can take a hit with Politoed when it turns out to be a critical hit. Anything can happen.

This can happen to every pokemon, its not even something that u can "fix". Saying that i am weak to sun because politoed can be critted is dumb.

2.I know it's a stall team, but there are some Pokemon that won't be beaten by stalling (Reuniclus, Magic Guard Alakazam, most Steel-types, etc.) Therefore, it's good to have a powerful sweeper that can deal with those Pokemon- especially Reuniclus because if it's running Psyshock, you're pretty screwed.

Reuniclus and Magic guard Alakazam are perfectly handled by Jirachi.

3. I never said Amoongus wasn't a good Pokemon. Regenerator is arguably the best ability in the game and it can make a very decent wall. I'm just saying should you want a new Pokemon on your team, you're best bet is most likely getting rid of Amoongus.

Sorry i cant understand what you mean, maybe its me because im not english :x

4. Yes there are few Electric-types, but how many Pokemon in OU can learn Electric-type attacks? Latios/Latias, Jirachi, Reuniclus, and Genesect just to name a few (and that's just in OU). Like you said, it probably won't be a big deal, but better safe than sorry. Also, yes you might have max Special Defense, but if you keep on switching in Chansey, it'll become predictable and your opponent can double switch into an appropriate counter.

Latios, Jirachi, Genesect, are all things handled by both Jirachi and Chansey. I understand what you mean, i dont have any eletric resistance bar Amonguss, but still, a non-Stabbed Thunder from any pokemon will do nothing to my special walls. Anyway, for chansey being predictable, it becomes too much theorymon, because i can just tell you "if they switch to terrakion while i switch to chansey, ill send out amoonguss" and so on.
 
Nice team , the only threat i could see giving you trouble would be nasty plot thundurus ,it can get past chansey and amoonguss (with just a little bit of previous damage) , maybe it won't totally sweep you but it'll definitly punch huge holes in your team opening the way for other things like keldeo and tornadus-T .

other than this solid team , I would hate going against it lol , good job .
 
I know, thank you. The only fix that comes to mind is to scarf Politoed, but i really need his bulk and... well nasty plot thundurus doesnt have counters anyway xd
 
Yeah, but tell me, how can ninetales win the weather war? just saying, i have refresh on politoed so it cant status me.
WHAT?! Sunny day ninetales is common and crushes rain stall teams. I know I play extensively that. plus venusaur can do a bunch of damage even if rain is up.

not only that, it's not 3 of your pokemon that are gone it's 5... the only safe switch is chansey (assuming politoed is in play.
 
I recommend Aromatherapy/Heal Bell > Stealth Rock on Chansey. Setting up all 3 entry hazards can be annoying, and your efforts are for naught when the opponent packs a spinner. Aromatherapy/Heal Bell just removes status from plaguing your team. If you want the rocks so badly, you can put them on Skarmory instead in place for Spikes. All 3 entry hazards are annoying to lay down, especially since you have no spinblocker.
 
Pretty nice stall team, but Gothitelle totally wrecks you once Spore has been absorbed. It beats Politoed with Specs Tbolt, Skarmory with the same (though you can at least switch out with Skarm) Psyshocks Amoongus and Tentacruel and Tricks Chansey. Best case scenario you force it to trick early and only lose 1-2 Pokemon on top of having a useless Chansey. Unfortunately there's not much you can do to fix this, but I think Latias>Amoongus would be a good change. Gothitelle can't do much to it, so you don't risk losing your check to a crapton of threats as soon as it comes in. It also makes you more solid versus NP Thundurus (who can OHKO Jirachi with +2 Thunder) since it can sometimes muscle past Amoongus if it has a Lum berry.
Like all stall teams without a rocky helmet you're also a little bit Genesect weak but you should be able to play around that pretty easily most of the time.
 
hi Neliel Tu Oderschvank, good team but in Amoonguss DON'T DUMP CLEAR SMOG MAD xD so you can try Clear Smog> Stun Spore and put TW> Toxic in Chansey. Mmm becareful with Xatu.
 
Pretty solid rain stall!

I recommend you remove Toxic and Softboiled on Chansey for Wish and Protect, so you have 2 wish passers (which makes a team really bulky). You can give Amo Toxic over Stun Spore if you really miss the poison damage, and ultimately you have Toxic Spikes so you shouldn't miss it too much anyway. I would go with Perish Song (PS) over Refresh since PS is much useful, although you could just remove Toxic and use both, since PS would prevent you from being Set-UP bait and Toxic Spikes (TS) gives you poison anyway.


EDIT: Oh, quick catch; use 28 SAtk (verify if EV's are correct on analysis) for breaking +2 Keldeo's subs with Giga Drain, and use 40 Def EV's so you can wall Breloom better. Run 24 Spe Evs on Skarm to outpace simple things like Wobby and so you win whirlwind (WW) war vs. other Skarm.
 
Hi Nel! (<3 Bleach)

I definitely like this team because of the usage of full stall in BW2, which has become relatively less common. However, because it doesn't have that offensive "uh oh, that needs to go" Pokemon that I've seen lately, it does have a few problems that are somewhat easily fixed. Firstly, you don't have a spinblocker. When using full stall, hazards are extremely important to obviously rack up enough damage to eventually take everything down on your opponent's team. Someone can easily just come in and Spin on pretty much every Pokemon on your team, and since nothing really has offensive pressure, Spinners seem to be hard to take down. Next, I see a major problem with Sun + Venusaur, which can rip major holes in this team. I'm not one to theorymon, but if you do end up losing the weather war (possibly by getting trapped by Gothitelle or Dugtrio or just by the sheer pressure of Ninetales switching into Politoed), Venusaur can sweep flat. Since Venusaur has access to Giga Drain and Chlorophyll thanks to BW2, it can beat your Chansey 1 on 1. This leaves the rest of your team vulnerable to Giga Drain / HP Fire. Even without Rain, Venusaur can punch holes and switch out. Lastly, I see an absolute major problem with SubCM Keldeo, which can get a free Sub on both Tentacruel and Politoed if you are using Refresh. It can also Sub on Amoonguss' Spore if you still don't know his set. Since Amoonguss is physically defensive, Keldeo can also beat it 1 on 1 with correct predictions whether you'll Spore or Giga Drain.

To help with the Venusaur problem, I'd definitely try Thunder Wave over Toxic on Chansey. This allows Chansey to technically beat Venusaur by itself, but especially with the help of Skarmory's Brave Bird and Jirachi's Iron Head (and Politoed's Perish Song to some extent). Next up: Spinblocker. I pondered many options to keep the balance of this team, but nothing was really definite. You could try Stealth Rock Golurk > Jirachi and replace Stealth Rock on Chansey with Wish to alleviate for the loss of Wish, but Golurk isn't the most reliable spinblocker with Starmie and Tentacruel running around. Golurk does add a very solid Terrakion switch, removing stress on Amoonguss.
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@ Rocky Helmet / Leftovers
Trait: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- DynamicPunch
- Ice Punch
The item choice is yours--Leftovers increases longevity while Rocky Helmet helps immensely when you switch into Terrakion (and also breaks Dragonite's Multiscale before you Ice Punch it). EQ is a powerful STAB, DynamicPunch is useful against spinners like Forretress, and Ice Punch compliments both attacks nicely.

Alright, as for the SubCM Keldeo, a really nice option would be Specially Defensive Dragonite > Amoonguss.
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(M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Dragon Tail
Since Hurricane is just so insanely powerful, Keldeo really can't set up on it (even with no investment in Dragonite's Sp. Atk). It can then proceed to phase it out with Dragon Tail if it has too many CMs to kill with Hurricane. Earthquake is extremely useful against SubCM Jirachi, which in the same threat league as SubCM Keldeo (it also hits some steels like Heatran that think they can switch in on Hurricane). With Amoonguss gone, Terrakion becomes a bit of a bigger problem, but if you decide to add Golurk, it wouldn't be an issue. Dragonite is also another good way to handle Special Growth Venusaur as it can easily shrug off Sludge Bombs with Multiscale active (and with its formidable bulk).

Anyway, that's all the input I have! I hope I helped :]
 
Pretty effective stall team, but I definitely see some problems.

You are using spikes with no spin blocker. A lot of teams are using spinners and if you tried setting up spikes, all those turns went to waste when they spin away your hazards. I would just replace spikes on Skarmory with stealth rock and give Chansey Heal Bell or Wish over Stealth Rock.

You are also vulnerable to subCM Jirachi. it can come in on every single one of your pokemon and start setting up. You could try to get the burn with Scald if they decide to CM isntead of Thunder, but relying on 30% to try to get rid of the biggest threat to your team is not a good idea. And even though it COULD set up on all your pokemon, a good player wouldn't risk the burn and it would just set up on Amoongus/Skarm/Chansey.

Amoongus seems to me like its more of a "win more" pokemon. If you don't use it you can probably win, but if you do use it, you'll just win faster or make your opponent quit sooner. I don't know how effective it is on your team. With Toxic Spikes already conflicting with your Dual Status moves, it doesnt have the best synergy with your team. I suggest replacing it for another Grass type like Celebi or Tangrowth. tangrowth can also put pokemon to sleep, but it can handle SUB CM jirachi with EQ (and it can knock off items). Celebi is another option you could go for. With Perish Song you can effectively scare away Jirachi and tank pretty much any of its moves, and its another great pokemon to deal with Reuniclus, subDDroost Dragonite, and other slow bulky set up pokemon.

Tangrowth (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+DDef, -Spe)
- Giga Drain / Power Whip

- Sleep Powder
- Earthquake / Knock Off

- Hidden Power [Ice] / Knock Off


giga drain is more useful against Rotom-W if they happen to burn you and you don't wanna switch out and heal bell, but Power Whip could be useful against CM sweeprrs like Keldeo and reuniclus and it has more POWER. Knock Off is an option, but I love the move so there may be some bias. It helps against opposing stall, so you can wear them down a lot easier.

Celebi @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SDef / 36 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Perish Song
- U-turn / Thunder Wave


Thunder Wave could conflict with Tspikes so be wary of that if you do decide to use it. Pretty self-explanatory other than that.
 
I already referenced very early that the team needed a spin blocker, though both of my posts have been deleted for unknown/invalid reasons. However, now that it's already been said by many people, I'll say it again. You should probably use Jellicent/Dusclops/Cofagrigus/whoever your preferred spinblocker is, because as it is, all of your hazards are wiped out in a turn where they need many turns to set up. Almost all stall teams need a spin blocker. Otherwise, decent team. Fix that and it will be the standard rain stall team you claim. :)
 
Nice team! It's always good to see someone using stall. I really think there are a couple of things you could change though. First off, Toxic Spikes on Tentacruel are really overrated in my opinion. They don't poison the following: Dragonite, Latias, Latios, the Genies, anything on teams with a poison type, all steels....so instead of Toxic Spikes, I'm going to recommend that you change Tentacruel to a SubToxic varient. I know this seems weird, but hear me out. Sub is a fantastic move on Tentacruel, because for a mere 6.25 % of your health, you can scout switch-ins and poison them with Toxic/go for a scald burn before you switch out. Most importantly, you actually can beat Jellicent one on one by subbing, Toxicing, and then spamming Rapid Spin, thus beating the most common spin-blocker

On Jirachi keep the special bulk, really comes in handy to tank Rotom-W Hydro Pumps and the like.

Now, I know you like taking physical hits with Amoonguss, but honestly with that current spread Sheer Force Landorus is going to come in and have his merry way with the mushroom and then the rest of the team, assuming a tad of prior damage on Chansey. So I would suggest a 252 HP/ 252 SpDef spread for 'Moong, since Skarm walls physical attackers to hell and back anyway. Also, Keldeo does like 45% with Specs Hydro Pump with the SpDef version, whereas your version is clean 2HKO'd, as is Tentacruel, so you really need the bulk. Good luck with the team!

Tenta set:
Tentacruel @Leftovers
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Scald
-Rapid Spin
 
Hi !
My opinion may not worth much but here is what I would have done about this team :

- As many many people pointed out, and as you obviously know, you got no spin blocker.
- I believe the classic Rain Stall team would be Politoed/Skarmory/Chansey/Tentacruel. Then you got Jirachi and I think this Wish support is great. However I feel like Amoonguss is not at his full potential here. Mostly because you have enough Statuts spreaders.
Instead to complete the Rain Stall team I'd change him for Sableye.
You should try it (if you did not already), with Taunt you can most of the time ensure to put more Hazards than your opponent. Even if he seems weak, with the WoW and the fast Recover you are pretty safe most of the time. Sableye is only weak to big Special Atacks. These can be handled easily by Chansey as most of the pokemons threatening Sableye are totally walled by Chansey. And I also believe it's great to give Chansey these SR, it's so easy to put them with a Sableye/Chansey combo. Because this Fighting immunity is also quite useful.

On paper Sableye will do the same than Amoonguss (answer to Fighting moves, spread some statuts) and SpinBlock. You lose this Spore, but you get priority WoW, it's sometimes less powerful but more reliable (not the accuracy, but you don't have to pray for sleeping turns). You lose Regenerator but you get priority Recover and that's a sick move to have in a Stall team. And of course the Taunt is so nice, just to shut down Deoxys-D because for now I don't know what you can do against him, he'll probably put just more hazards than any of your pokemons can and then put you in a bad situation. Talking about annoying pokemons for Stall team, Sableye counters CM/Recover Reuniclus that would else give you a major headache.

Plus, let's say you burned most of the physical threats, I don't see how your enemy could take down Jirachi for instance.

I hope I helped, I played alot with Skarm/Chansey/Sableye core that's why I dare share my thoughts.
 
Pretty nice stall team, but Gothitelle totally wrecks you once Spore has been absorbed. It beats Politoed with Specs Tbolt, Skarmory with the same (though you can at least switch out with Skarm) Psyshocks Amoongus and Tentacruel and Tricks Chansey. Best case scenario you force it to trick early and only lose 1-2 Pokemon on top of having a useless Chansey. Unfortunately there's not much you can do to fix this, but I think Latias>Amoongus would be a good change. Gothitelle can't do much to it, so you don't risk losing your check to a crapton of threats as soon as it comes in. It also makes you more solid versus NP Thundurus (who can OHKO Jirachi with +2 Thunder) since it can sometimes muscle past Amoongus if it has a Lum berry.
Like all stall teams without a rocky helmet you're also a little bit Genesect weak but you should be able to play around that pretty easily most of the time.

Ok so, i know that shadow tag gothitelle can be problematic, in fact i have 2 pokemon weak to Psichic and other 2 to thunderbolt (well, 3, but skarmory has shed shell) the problem is that i cant do anything to avoid the trap. Even with latias i will still lose one or two pokemon in order to beat gothitelle. Anyway latias seems a good suggestion because it helps me against np thundurus (maybe a max speed variant?) and also against sunny teams (even tough is easily pursuittable and its weak to u-turn). Do you have any set of latias?


I recommend Aromatherapy/Heal Bell > Stealth Rock on Chansey. Setting up all 3 entry hazards can be annoying, and your efforts are for naught when the opponent packs a spinner. Aromatherapy/Heal Bell just removes status from plaguing your team. If you want the rocks so badly, you can put them on Skarmory instead in place for Spikes. All 3 entry hazards are annoying to lay down, especially since you have no spinblocker.

Mmm, i have never felt the need of a beller honestly, and i dont get your point of having a stall team without spikes just because "all 3 entry hazard are annoying to lay down".


Pretty solid rain stall!

I recommend you remove Toxic and Softboiled on Chansey for Wish and Protect, so you have 2 wish passers (which makes a team really bulky). You can give Amo Toxic over Stun Spore if you really miss the poison damage, and ultimately you have Toxic Spikes so you shouldn't miss it too much anyway. I would go with Perish Song (PS) over Refresh since PS is much useful, although you could just remove Toxic and use both, since PS would prevent you from being Set-UP bait and Toxic Spikes (TS) gives you poison anyway.


EDIT: Oh, quick catch; use 28 SAtk (verify if EV's are correct on analysis) for breaking +2 Keldeo's subs with Giga Drain, and use 40 Def EV's so you can wall Breloom better. Run 24 Spe Evs on Skarm to outpace simple things like Wobby and so you win whirlwind (WW) war vs. other Skarm.

Oh right ill fix the amoonguss spread, anyway i think you misread the rtm, my amonguus already have max defense o.O
I'll also fix Skarmory, thank you. Speaking of chansey one wisher is enough for me, without toxic chansey cant really do his job because it cant stall out anything. I know i have toxic spikes but i cant always setup them, and also some Levitate/flying pokemon are immune to them.

Hi Nel! (<3 Bleach)

I definitely like this team because of the usage of full stall in BW2, which has become relatively less common. However, because it doesn't have that offensive "uh oh, that needs to go" Pokemon that I've seen lately, it does have a few problems that are somewhat easily fixed. Firstly, you don't have a spinblocker. When using full stall, hazards are extremely important to obviously rack up enough damage to eventually take everything down on your opponent's team. Someone can easily just come in and Spin on pretty much every Pokemon on your team, and since nothing really has offensive pressure, Spinners seem to be hard to take down. Next, I see a major problem with Sun + Venusaur, which can rip major holes in this team. I'm not one to theorymon, but if you do end up losing the weather war (possibly by getting trapped by Gothitelle or Dugtrio or just by the sheer pressure of Ninetales switching into Politoed), Venusaur can sweep flat. Since Venusaur has access to Giga Drain and Chlorophyll thanks to BW2, it can beat your Chansey 1 on 1. This leaves the rest of your team vulnerable to Giga Drain / HP Fire. Even without Rain, Venusaur can punch holes and switch out. Lastly, I see an absolute major problem with SubCM Keldeo, which can get a free Sub on both Tentacruel and Politoed if you are using Refresh. It can also Sub on Amoonguss' Spore if you still don't know his set. Since Amoonguss is physically defensive, Keldeo can also beat it 1 on 1 with correct predictions whether you'll Spore or Giga Drain.

To help with the Venusaur problem, I'd definitely try Thunder Wave over Toxic on Chansey. This allows Chansey to technically beat Venusaur by itself, but especially with the help of Skarmory's Brave Bird and Jirachi's Iron Head (and Politoed's Perish Song to some extent). Next up: Spinblocker. I pondered many options to keep the balance of this team, but nothing was really definite. You could try Stealth Rock Golurk > Jirachi and replace Stealth Rock on Chansey with Wish to alleviate for the loss of Wish, but Golurk isn't the most reliable spinblocker with Starmie and Tentacruel running around. Golurk does add a very solid Terrakion switch, removing stress on Amoonguss.
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@ Rocky Helmet / Leftovers
Trait: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- DynamicPunch
- Ice Punch
The item choice is yours--Leftovers increases longevity while Rocky Helmet helps immensely when you switch into Terrakion (and also breaks Dragonite's Multiscale before you Ice Punch it). EQ is a powerful STAB, DynamicPunch is useful against spinners like Forretress, and Ice Punch compliments both attacks nicely.

Alright, as for the SubCM Keldeo, a really nice option would be Specially Defensive Dragonite > Amoonguss.
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(M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Dragon Tail
Since Hurricane is just so insanely powerful, Keldeo really can't set up on it (even with no investment in Dragonite's Sp. Atk). It can then proceed to phase it out with Dragon Tail if it has too many CMs to kill with Hurricane. Earthquake is extremely useful against SubCM Jirachi, which in the same threat league as SubCM Keldeo (it also hits some steels like Heatran that think they can switch in on Hurricane). With Amoonguss gone, Terrakion becomes a bit of a bigger problem, but if you decide to add Golurk, it wouldn't be an issue. Dragonite is also another good way to handle Special Growth Venusaur as it can easily shrug off Sludge Bombs with Multiscale active (and with its formidable bulk).

Anyway, that's all the input I have! I hope I helped :]


:3 thank you for the rate.
First of all, ill talk about Spinblockers after all the quotes.
Sun+venusaur isnt a problem until as long as i have rain up, obviously you are right if politoed dies i have to hope on Sturdy Skarmory or a paralize with jirachi (if it doesnt die due to hp fire) but that also the reason why i have refresh on politoed, in this way i can always switch out to Politoed against Ninetales without the fear of a burn. Anyway ill try Thunder wave on chansey and see how it works, hoping it does not give me more problem without toxic than before. Speaking of keldeo, in my experience they always had 3 set. Choice scarf/Specs which is easy to handle thanks to both amoonguus and Tentacruel that can easily check his move. If keldeo do Hydro pump in fact, and i know its choice specs i can even send out chansey to wall it, so its not a problem being 2koed by this move. Offensive calm mind sets with 3 attack are anyway walled by amonguus because +1 Hydro pump does 60%, Surf its even weaker. If it has Substitute they should have only secret sword+hidden power (yeah i saw someone using surf+secret sword, but to me this coverage is not that great) and anyway with 28 evs in sp atk i can still break substitute of +2 keldeo. If it has secret sword and hp anyway is walled by skarmory (yeah lol). This, of course, implying that i havent already toxic spikes up, or i havent toxic it with someone else. As for your dragonite, im not even sure it can help against keldeo specifically, since i've seen a lot of keldeo carrying Hp ice, which is a ko with the stealth rock support. For sure the Dragon type instead of grass helps me against sun, but at this point i would use Latias, its not stealth rock weak, does better against terrakion and eletric types in general. In fact, without amonguus i would have no eletric resistance at all. As for calm mind jirachi, last time i checked the stats only the 3% of the jirachi carry psyshock, otherwhise chansey can wall it, tanking hits even at +6 (im not sure but +6 psichic doesnt do more than 35%)
Anyway, thank you a lot, you made me think about a lot of things.. -_-


Pretty effective stall team, but I definitely see some problems.

You are using spikes with no spin blocker. A lot of teams are using spinners and if you tried setting up spikes, all those turns went to waste when they spin away your hazards. I would just replace spikes on Skarmory with stealth rock and give Chansey Heal Bell or Wish over Stealth Rock.

You are also vulnerable to subCM Jirachi. it can come in on every single one of your pokemon and start setting up. You could try to get the burn with Scald if they decide to CM isntead of Thunder, but relying on 30% to try to get rid of the biggest threat to your team is not a good idea. And even though it COULD set up on all your pokemon, a good player wouldn't risk the burn and it would just set up on Amoongus/Skarm/Chansey.

Amoongus seems to me like its more of a "win more" pokemon. If you don't use it you can probably win, but if you do use it, you'll just win faster or make your opponent quit sooner. I don't know how effective it is on your team. With Toxic Spikes already conflicting with your Dual Status moves, it doesnt have the best synergy with your team. I suggest replacing it for another Grass type like Celebi or Tangrowth. tangrowth can also put pokemon to sleep, but it can handle SUB CM jirachi with EQ (and it can knock off items). Celebi is another option you could go for. With Perish Song you can effectively scare away Jirachi and tank pretty much any of its moves, and its another great pokemon to deal with Reuniclus, subDDroost Dragonite, and other slow bulky set up pokemon.

Tangrowth (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+DDef, -Spe)
- Giga Drain / Power Whip

- Sleep Powder
- Earthquake / Knock Off

- Hidden Power [Ice] / Knock Off


giga drain is more useful against Rotom-W if they happen to burn you and you don't wanna switch out and heal bell, but Power Whip could be useful against CM sweeprrs like Keldeo and reuniclus and it has more POWER. Knock Off is an option, but I love the move so there may be some bias. It helps against opposing stall, so you can wear them down a lot easier.

Celebi @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SDef / 36 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Giga Drain
- Recover
- Perish Song
- U-turn / Thunder Wave


Thunder Wave could conflict with Tspikes so be wary of that if you do decide to use it. Pretty self-explanatory other than that.

As i said before Jirachi cant even 2ko Chansey so its not a big problem for me.
To tell you the truth i have already thought about Eq Tangrowth to handle jirachi at first, but whitout amoonguss Choice band terrakion or fighting types in general give me a lot of problems. Even a phisically defensive Tangrowht takes considerable damage from a terrakion's cc, thats why i chosed amonguus. Celebi can be good in this team anyway, ill try it out for sure, maybe with more defensive bulk to take care of terrakion better :x thank you!

Nice team! It's always good to see someone using stall. I really think there are a couple of things you could change though. First off, Toxic Spikes on Tentacruel are really overrated in my opinion. They don't poison the following: Dragonite, Latias, Latios, the Genies, anything on teams with a poison type, all steels....so instead of Toxic Spikes, I'm going to recommend that you change Tentacruel to a SubToxic varient. I know this seems weird, but hear me out. Sub is a fantastic move on Tentacruel, because for a mere 6.25 % of your health, you can scout switch-ins and poison them with Toxic/go for a scald burn before you switch out. Most importantly, you actually can beat Jellicent one on one by subbing, Toxicing, and then spamming Rapid Spin, thus beating the most common spin-blocker

On Jirachi keep the special bulk, really comes in handy to tank Rotom-W Hydro Pumps and the like.

Now, I know you like taking physical hits with Amoonguss, but honestly with that current spread Sheer Force Landorus is going to come in and have his merry way with the mushroom and then the rest of the team, assuming a tad of prior damage on Chansey. So I would suggest a 252 HP/ 252 SpDef spread for 'Moong, since Skarm walls physical attackers to hell and back anyway. Also, Keldeo does like 45% with Specs Hydro Pump with the SpDef version, whereas your version is clean 2HKO'd, as is Tentacruel, so you really need the bulk. Good luck with the team!

Tenta set:


Sure Sub toxic tentacruel is great here, honestly when i use a more offensive team with tentacruel i always prefer the one you suggested me, it would help me against ferrothorn/Jellicent. The problem is that here i felt like Protect was better because i needed to have the more hp as possible, so i ended up using the one with toxic spikes. As for sheer force landorus, i always try to mantain my chansey alive, and if i use sp def amoongus then Terrakion will be more threating, so i dont know, maybe ill try a sort of mixed spread or something like that. Anyway, for keldeo, read what i told to gimmick :3 Thank for your rate anyway!


Hi !
My opinion may not worth much but here is what I would have done about this team :

- As many many people pointed out, and as you obviously know, you got no spin blocker.
- I believe the classic Rain Stall team would be Politoed/Skarmory/Chansey/Tentacruel. Then you got Jirachi and I think this Wish support is great. However I feel like Amoonguss is not at his full potential here. Mostly because you have enough Statuts spreaders.
Instead to complete the Rain Stall team I'd change him for Sableye.
You should try it (if you did not already), with Taunt you can most of the time ensure to put more Hazards than your opponent. Even if he seems weak, with the WoW and the fast Recover you are pretty safe most of the time. Sableye is only weak to big Special Atacks. These can be handled easily by Chansey as most of the pokemons threatening Sableye are totally walled by Chansey. And I also believe it's great to give Chansey these SR, it's so easy to put them with a Sableye/Chansey combo. Because this Fighting immunity is also quite useful.

On paper Sableye will do the same than Amoonguss (answer to Fighting moves, spread some statuts) and SpinBlock. You lose this Spore, but you get priority WoW, it's sometimes less powerful but more reliable (not the accuracy, but you don't have to pray for sleeping turns). You lose Regenerator but you get priority Recover and that's a sick move to have in a Stall team. And of course the Taunt is so nice, just to shut down Deoxys-D because for now I don't know what you can do against him, he'll probably put just more hazards than any of your pokemons can and then put you in a bad situation. Talking about annoying pokemons for Stall team, Sableye counters CM/Recover Reuniclus that would else give you a major headache.

Plus, let's say you burned most of the physical threats, I don't see how your enemy could take down Jirachi for instance.

I hope I helped, I played alot with Skarm/Chansey/Sableye core that's why I dare share my thoughts.

Ok well, now ill tell you why in my opinion this team cant have any spin blocker. Lets start saying that there are few spinblockers available. Gengar, for example, can work in more offensive based team, paired with deo-d for example, and its not even that good since Starmie and rain dish tentacruel can beat it, sometimes even Volt switch forretress+tyranitar. Cofagrigus cant obviously fits this team: the only nice use that i saw in ou is that team of choice specs' with deo-d. jellicent, in other hand, is perfect to be used in stallish teams, but it works a lot better under sand for example, in this team is just redundant with the rest of my pokemon. Golurk for example, cant beat Starmie or tentacruel and i think that even donphan can get a 2ko on that thing, so i dont see the point of it, i know it counters terrakion but, other that it cant do much to the rest of the metagame. The same is for Sableye, even though is a way better than golurk because it can beat other stall team for example, and its a good check to phisical threat in general,it cant beat stall teams with Starmie and tentacruel, it can just stay there and wait till it get burned or just koed by Hydro pump. Speaking of my team, with sableye instead of jirachi i have no rock resistor, meaning that cbtar or cbkion can give problem (i know it can burn them, but a stone edge on the switch-in does a lot). Also, Donphan cant beat my Spiker on 1 vs 1, its weak to Toxic spikes and it has no recovery, so generally its just question of time and it will die. Forretress really fear Scald, and having no recovery it will just die to brave bird if my opponent wants to always spin my spikes away. Tentacruel just need to be burned, as i said before. The only real issue is Recover Starmie, but if im not wrong the only spin blocker that can stop it is Jellicent, which is really redundant here. Well, thank you all anyway, and dont underestimate stall, this playstile is not dead at all :3
ps. sorry if i did some mistakes, i hope its legible :x
 
"The same is for Sableye, even though is a way better than golurk because it can beat other stall team for example, and its a good check to phisical threat in general,it cant beat stall teams with Starmie and tentacruel, it can just stay there and wait till it get burned or just koed by Hydro pump. Speaking of my team, with sableye instead of jirachi i have no rock resistor, meaning that cbtar or cbkion can give problem (i know it can burn them, but a stone edge on the switch-in does a lot)."

Reacting to this part, I was talking about Sableye > Amoonguss and not Sableye > Jirachi.
I apologize, it seems like I didnt make it clear.
 
oh, im sorry for that. I probably misread. anyway, sableye>amonguus wont work i think, because without amonguus i have no eletric resistor at all.
 
Hey there i got your request awesome looking rain stall team :)

@bkt0731 How can you sweep this team with Thunderbolt on Rotom when he is Amoongus ;)

Looking at your team it seems fairly solid and looks like solid defensive team. However Volt Turn teams look a bit troublesome. The simple Scizor+Rotom-W core looks annoying for this team to handle as Rotom-W can Volt Switch on Tentacruel, Politoed and Skarmory super effectively while it lures in Chansey so Scizor can decimate it. Scizor also lures in Skarmory so Rotom-W can come in and threaten it after Scizor has U-turn'd. Also your team has a lot of status moves which will probally end up getting in the way and hindering your teams preformance. With Spore, Stun Spore and Toxic as well as Toxic Spikes being used you may not be able to get the ideal status condtion on your opponent. This isn't really a big deal but it does seem a little annoying.

To help remedy this problem i suggest Rocky Helmet>Leftovers on Amoongus. With this change implemented you can wear down Scizor who constantly switches in with a combination of hazard damage and Rocky Helmet making it hard for him to do any real damage. Rocky Helmet is also good to wear down Fighting-type pokemon like Choice Band Terrakion who can come in on Chansey and threaten with a Close Combat. With Regenarator the loss of Leftovers isn't to drastic for Amoongus and Rocky Helmet has a lot of great uses.

To help get rid of come Status clashing i suggest Aromatherapy>Toxic on Chansey with Toxic Spikes on your team and Toxic on Politoed Toxic isn't needed to much and Heal Bell helps keep your team healthy from status condtions. With this change their is no need for Refresh on Politoed so you can keep using Perish Song>Refresh so you can stop Baton Pass teams cold which are often a threat to stall.

Good luck with the team i hope i helped! Also a Luvdisc for you :)

Tl;dr

Amoongus
.Rocky Helmet--->Leftovers

Chansey
.Aromatherapy--->Toxic

Politoed
.Perish Song--->Refresh



~Superpowerdude
 
Hi Neliel,

Great team. The only thing that i would change really is Chansey: Heal Bell > Toxic, just because you already have Toxic on Politoad.

Other than that; Luvdisc
 
Hey there i got your request awesome looking rain stall team :)

@bkt0731 How can you sweep this team with Thunderbolt on Rotom when he is Amoongus ;)

Looking at your team it seems fairly solid and looks like solid defensive team. However Volt Turn teams look a bit troublesome. The simple Scizor+Rotom-W core looks annoying for this team to handle as Rotom-W can Volt Switch on Tentacruel, Politoed and Skarmory super effectively while it lures in Chansey so Scizor can decimate it. Scizor also lures in Skarmory so Rotom-W can come in and threaten it after Scizor has U-turn'd. Also your team has a lot of status moves which will probally end up getting in the way and hindering your teams preformance. With Spore, Stun Spore and Toxic as well as Toxic Spikes being used you may not be able to get the ideal status condtion on your opponent. This isn't really a big deal but it does seem a little annoying.

To help remedy this problem i suggest Rocky Helmet>Leftovers on Amoongus. With this change implemented you can wear down Scizor who constantly switches in with a combination of hazard damage and Rocky Helmet making it hard for him to do any real damage. Rocky Helmet is also good to wear down Fighting-type pokemon like Choice Band Terrakion who can come in on Chansey and threaten with a Close Combat. With Regenarator the loss of Leftovers isn't to drastic for Amoongus and Rocky Helmet has a lot of great uses.

To help get rid of come Status clashing i suggest Aromatherapy>Toxic on Chansey with Toxic Spikes on your team and Toxic on Politoed Toxic isn't needed to much and Heal Bell helps keep your team healthy from status condtions. With this change their is no need for Refresh on Politoed so you can keep using Perish Song>Refresh so you can stop Baton Pass teams cold which are often a threat to stall.

Good luck with the team i hope i helped! Also a Luvdisc for you :)

Tl;dr

Amoongus
.Rocky Helmet--->Leftovers

Chansey
.Aromatherapy--->Toxic

Politoed
.Perish Song--->Refresh



~Superpowerdude

Oh, i have to admit that rocky helmet is a brilliant idea, i'll surely try it, thanks :3
as for heal bell i dont know, im successfully using T-wave as other raters suggested, but ill also try it, in this way i can use perish song to stop some threath. Anyway, thank you for your rate and your luvdisc :3
 
This is a pretty solid team, albeit a little standard, but all rain stall tends to look similar, so it's obviously not a big deal. There are some changes I'd consider for this team because I think they'd help it run a bit more smoothly. For one, I think Jirachi provides more of an offensive presence, so it tends to set Stealth Rock easier by forcing switches. It's less of a setup fodder against most teams, as it can actually dish damage with Iron Head or Thunder. I'd replace Wish for this, and instead, I'd use Wish on Chansey. This change allows you to pass off bigger Wishes and regain more health which is obviously a boon. Wish and Softboiled—while it doesn't allow you to scout out moves like Wish and Protect—conserves PP.

Also I'd back changing Toxic Spikes to Toxic on Tentacruel. More often than not, the opponent will carry multiple Steel-types, a spinner, or a lot of hovering Pokemon. Toxic is much more effective for hitting common switch-ins to Tentacruel, as most Steel-types that aren't effected are scared of Scald burns anyways. I definitely think it's a much safer option on rain stall for this reason. Anyways good luck, I hope I helped.
 
Don't know if it's been mentioned but nasty plot Mew or Azelf can pretty much sweep your team at +2 which it will be easy since this team is a stall team. Stall breaker Mew also causes this team a lot of problems.
 
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