Which Jirachi? Opinion Required

Murphy

Was posted in RMT, but not essentially a RMT, and was overlooked, so I thought I may well get a better response here.

If you want full team details, then I will edit them in, but I'm not after a full team evaluation, more an opinion on which Jirachi would benefit my team more.

Right, my current setup is;

Heracross (Choice Scarf Lead)
Gyarados (DDer)
Dragonite (DDer)
Suicune (Phazer)
Gliscor (Primarily used as a Stealth Rocker and a bit of a wall)

And Jirachi.

Now, I currently am running a special attacking hybrid, with Psychic, Thunderbolt and Grass Knot, but am inclined to go with either the support version or sweeper from here

name: Wish/U-Turn
move 1: Wish
move 2: U-Turn
move 3: Reflect
move 4: Zen Headbutt
item: Leftovers

ability: Serene Grace
nature: Impish
evs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 76 Def / 136 Spd

name: Calm Mind Sweeper
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute/Wish
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Thunder/Thunderbolt/Grass Knot/Flash Cannon/Water Pulse
item: Leftovers

ability: Serene Grace
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 216 Spd / 40 SpAtk

Now I think my team would benefit more from the support set, with reflect and wish support, but in doing so I would lose the electric and grass attacks - should I attemt to include these elsewhere on my team, lose them or stick to a calm mind sweeper version with them?

All help appreciated.
 
If you don't run the special set, Weezing almost walls your entire team so well it is untrue. Even Zen Headbutt has insufficient power to trouble it, and Weezing normally carries Flamethrower to counter Heracross, not to mention Will-o-wisp to burn everything else. Even Suicune may struggle if it carries Haze and Thunderbolt. Hope this helps.
 
You currently have just one special pokemon, which isn't necessarily a bad thing in D/P, but it does indeed leave you limited against the best physical walls. I would go with the special Jirachi, seeing as you only have Surf (maybe Ice beam) as special moves so far. Plus Jirachi can generally take Blissey, so you needn't be afraid of it either heh.
 
Sir Spanky said:
You currently have just one special pokemon, which isn't necessarily a bad thing in D/P, but it does indeed leave you limited against the best physical walls. I would go with the special Jirachi, seeing as you only have Surf (maybe Ice beam) as special moves so far. Plus Jirachi can generally take Blissey, so you needn't be afraid of it either heh.
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OK. Perhaps then modify the special set with wish support in it? If so go with tbolt and psychic?
 
A combination of the two sets would work if you're concerned about your lack of special offense. U-Turn/Wish/Psychic/Thunder(bolt). Try the EV spread suggested for the Light Screen passer, but switch to a Bold nature. You don't need to Speed to beat Heracross since you have plenty of coverage for him already.
 
The first time I placed charge beam over calm mind, it worked extremely well. Jirachi is durable enough to pull it off. However, the next match I had (same person), I had an Electivire come in on my charge beam. You might want to switch back and forth (between CM and Charge beam) to keep your opponents on their toes.
 
Phuquoph said:
A combination of the two sets would work if you're concerned about your lack of special offense. U-Turn/Wish/Psychic/Thunder(bolt). Try the EV spread suggested for the Light Screen passer, but switch to a Bold nature. You don't need to Speed to beat Heracross since you have plenty of coverage for him already.
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Thanks, that's sort of what I had in mind, is 240 HP / 76 Def / 160 SDef / 32 Spd the spread?
 
Depends on your IVs/nature obviously.

Your typing combos would've been brilliant in Advance as its resists pretty much the whole physical side, but now that you have to worry about elemental punches (every team member is weak to at least one punch) relying on sweepers only carrying EQ/Rock/Fight/Norm is a bit foolish. Still worth thinking twice about how necessary Reflect is though.
 
TSPhoenix said:
Depends on your IVs/nature obviously.

Your typing combos would've been brilliant in Advance as its resists pretty much the whole physical side, but now that you have to worry about elemental punches (every team member is weak to at least one punch) relying on sweepers only carrying EQ/Rock/Fight/Norm is a bit foolish. Still worth thinking twice about how necessary Reflect is though.
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That is what I was thinking about, and why I asked. I did have a special PZ, but after a few issues I replaced it with a drogonaite for better dragon coverage, and a cover for the lack of fire moves.

Phuquoph said:
A combination of the two sets would work if you're concerned about your lack of special offense. U-Turn/Wish/Psychic/Thunder(bolt). Try the EV spread suggested for the Light Screen passer, but switch to a Bold nature. You don't need to Speed to beat Heracross since you have plenty of coverage for him already.
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OK, this is what i have in my mind;

Jirachi@Leftovers
Bold
U-Turn/Wish/Thunderbolt/Psychic
172HP/58DEF/136SPATT/144SPEED

With that it will have 384 HP (good for lefties), 270+ Def, 270 Special Attack and speed, all dependant on IVs of course. With that, it should still be able to resist a bit, get a wish in and turn out, and still back a bit of a hit on the special side, or way off the mark?
 
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