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I agree with DittoCrow's ranking in their entirety, with Moltres in low.
Since when was Steel/Rock a good defensive typing? It has multiple 4x weaknesses to common attacking types, and unlike pokemon like Bastiodon, Druddigon can do a fair amount of damage without any investment due to its natural attacking power. Bastiodon may have good defenses, but is let down by its lack of reliable recovery, multiple 4x weaknesses, and lack of offensive presence, the latter 2 of which Druddigon doesn't have.I think DittoCrow's list and reasoning, however I feel Druddigon should be low.
DittoCrow's reasons don't only have other pokemon, even bastiodon for roar and SR does it better sinne it has better defensive typing and defenses, but the lack of good recovery and minimal speed should put it in low I feel.
Trop Sucks said:Top:
Nidoqueen Slowking
Mid:
Druddigon Entei Escavalier Uxie
Low:
Moltres Sceptile
I disagree with Smeargle being High A-rank. Spore is dangerous, as sap sippers and Vitual spirit magmortar get a free switch in. Smeargle also relies way to much on Focus sash and pokemon like cinncino can take advantage of this.So S-Rank is pretty agreeable. At this point, now for the A-Rank. Here's what I think the ranks should be, feel free to disagree with me here.
Top:
Absol, Durant, Gallade, Kabutops, Lilligant, Rotom (both), Smeargle
Absol is top notch A-Rank imo. This beast is great; he's got 130 Attack, Sucker Punch+Superpower, and great overall power. He can be an awesome sweeper with SD and just beat the fuck out out of everything. He can even grab Fire Blast and incinerate Tangrowth and Steelix, or maybe run T-bolt for Poliwrath thanks to a usable 75 SpA. Absol is hands down the top offensive Dark-type of this tier.
Durant is a great sweeper. He has Hone Claws and Hustle, so he can pack incredible power. He's got Superpower to put Steelix to Sturdy level, and much more. Durant's an awesome sweeper overall.
Gallade is the top Fighting-type of RU, in the same manner Absol is top Dark here imo. SD and Bulk Up make Gallade a powerful attacker, so he can hit pretty damn hard. Psycho Cut or Zen Headbutt are neat too, so yeah. Overall, Gallade is pretty awesome in RU and is high level A-Rank.
Kabutops is a solid and useful Pokemon. He's the best spinner in RU, and he's a great attacker too. He can hit really hard after an SD boost, boasts nice coverage, and is just one of the most reliable spinners in RU (Fuck Cryo). He even a good rain sweeper, so yeah. Pretty solid, reliable, and just useful overall.
Lilligant is an awesome sweeper. Like, among the best in RU. Quiver Dance puts her on a level that her power and speed make her nigh impossible to beat. With decent coverage (not that great coverage, but decent), she can sweep with relative ease after numerous boosts. She also has Sleep Powder to incapacitate an opponent, literally eliminating them, and also allowing her to grab boosts more easily. I guess Munchlax and Escavalier can take advantage of it with Sleep Talk, the former walling her to death and the latter KO'ing easily, but she doesn't really fucking care. Munchlax sucks, Esca is KO'd by HP Fire, and her sweeping prowess, although limited with the coverage issues and typing, yeah, but is still a top A-Rank sweeper imo.
Rotom-N is cool. It's great and pretty diverse. It can be used to beat a variety of spinners. A set with T-Bolt wrecks Tops a new one, SubToxic beats Cryo, and also Sandslash and the Shitmons too. It's also got a pretty brilliant typing too and offers some nice resistances, not to mention Wisp is also great. It's also not predictable. Overall, high level A, best Ghost-type in RU.
Rotom-C....He's pretty cool too, like his unattached cousin. He's diverse and can disrupt you with Volt Switch. He also makes some awesome Taco Storms that hit pretty hard, and can run Scarf, Specs, or Support or even Rain. Overall, I'd say Rotom-C is pretty diverse.
Smeargle is one of the best hazard setters. An amazing Baton Passer. And even a suicide TR lead. I do not need to explain further.
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Sap Sippers are quite rare, while except for Magmortar and Primeape most pokes that carry Vital Spirit or similar abilities are mediocre. Unfortunately (or fortunately, for Smeargle) Cinccino is still quite rare to face, even though its popularity is growing. And Smeargle still can Baton Pass Quiver Dance. Don't forget that 75 Spe is nice in the RU environment, being able to outspeed many things, specially Nidoqueen. Smeargle have weakness, and that's why it is an A-rank, but still a top one because it can't act only as a suicide lead.I disagree with Smeargle being High A-rank. Spore is dangerous, as sap sippers and Vitual spirit magmortar get a free switch in. Smeargle also relies way to much on Focus sash and pokemon like cinncino can take advantage of this.
This is honestly the dumbest reason for calling something a stallbreaker that i have ever read.Sigilyph have a great ability in Magic Guard, meaning it doesn't care about poison, burn or Stealth Rock; Sigilyph is also the best stallbreaker of the tier thanks to its decent 72/80/80 defensive stats and a nice 97 Spe.
Good luck finding a rock type not called regirock and rhydon that can hope to take on these 2.Tauros and Zangoose, even working quite different, share the same weaknesses: they both are vulnerable to fighting moves, can be walled by a rock or steel wall
Well, it seems that fortunately for me I had only experiences with CP Sigyliph, so I may be wrong in this since I never faced a Life Orb set, to be sincere. Also, CP set can work quite well against stall, because it is the kind of team that gives more time to it setup, even though they packs a phazer.This is honestly the dumbest reason for calling something a stallbreaker that i have ever read.
And btw, CP set is terrible and no one is scared of it. Sigilyph doesn't even need to set up to 2hko everything relevant in the tier at worst with minimal hazard supports.So your reasons for it are dumb in general and most likely based on one of the worst sets someone can use in this tier.
Max HP Aggron have a nice chance to survive Tauros' Earthquake. And Zangoose, again, was my fault, since I missed it got Close Combat. I used Tauros for myself, and relying in moves without a perferct accuracy isn't nice to him, meaning it can miss a crucial hit. Zangoose, on the other hand, is way harder to deal, the best option against it is stalling, even though Zangoose for me is more of theroymon too.Good luck finding a rock type not called regirock and rhydon that can hope to take on these 2.
Not only stall is a joke that will never be viable again until the day game freak makes everything a Lugia without making everything as strong as possible , an all out attacker set does that way better without needing to set up. Not being useless against more offensive oriented teams is way better than being a crit magnet that is ruined by any dark type that can avoid the burn(liepard) or doesn't care about it(lum Crawdaunt, Crotomb, Scraggy, and champion Houndour).Also, CP set can work quite well against stall, because it is the kind of team that gives more time to it setup, even though they packs a phazer.
And you suggest a mon that needs to rely on an 80% accuracy move to deal with tauros? And Tauros doesn't need to use rock climb at all because Return is still pretty powerful and will get the job done most of the time.Max HP Aggron have a nice chance to survive Tauros' Earthquake. And Zangoose, again, was my fault, since I missed it got Close Combat. I used Tauros for myself, and relying in moves without a perferct accuracy isn't nice to him, meaning it can miss a crucial hit.
The deal with Tauros is avoiding LO recoil to keep a higher durability, and if with Rock Climb I already missed some damage, I wouldn't have a nice experience with Return. Also, CB max Atk Adamant Aggron's Heavy Slam (only set that is worth running max HP) has a better chance of KOing Naive Tauros than the opposite just because of LO recoil.And you suggest a mon that needs to rely on an 80% accuracy move to deal with tauros? And Tauros doesn't need to use rock climb at all because Return is still pretty powerful and will get the job done most of the time.
It is already pretty bulky physically and fast, making high durability not a big deal when it can avoid most damage not coming from priority already, and even priority is lucky if it breaks 40% depending on the ability. Hazards will wear it down easily anyway and Intimidate is still a pretty good ability allowing it to run other sets if needed.The deal with Tauros is avoiding LO recoil to keep a higher durability, and if with Rock Climb I already missed some damage, I wouldn't have a nice experience with Return. Also, CB max Atk Adamant Aggron's Heavy Slam (only set that is worth running max HP) has a better chance of KOing Naive Tauros than the opposite just because of LO recoil.
So you think smeargle should be S tier!? If so then you should probably propose it.Smeargle belongs on exactly the same level as moltres. iIt is devastating against unprepared teams but if they prepare for it it's average at best and a large amount of the time a wasted teamslot against prepared-for teams.
I never said Aggron was a check for Tauros, damn, Aggron typing makes it a terrible poke to try check things... I only said it could survive a Tauros' hit. Also, I run a Trick Room team, so the extra bulk is quite useful indeed, and this is the set I have familiarity. As I said, most of what I said come from MY experiences, while your opinion should came from YOUR experiences, so these differences were obvious to appear. I only said what I think about these threats, and you are free to agree or not. You even changed my mind in some threats I really never faced in my laddering times since the Cresselia suspect round like Zangoose and other Sigilyph sets besides the Cosmic Power set.It is already pretty bulky physically and fast, making high durability not a big deal when it can avoid most damage not coming from priority already, and even priority is lucky if it breaks 40% depending on the ability. Hazards will wear it down easily anyway and Intimidate is still a pretty good ability allowing it to run other sets if needed.
Aggron is also a TERRIBLE check to Tauros; stop trying to say it is close to viable check for him when it is only a smeargle away from being ohkoed And inb4 BUT SPINNNER, Max HP aggron would only fit on a trick room team, and those can't afford to sacrifice a slot on a spinner when they could just be nuking everything with strong as hell attacks. It is also fucked hard by sub Tauros, which is a pretty solid set factoring intimidate and how easily tauros scares out shit.
Except for the part where you did.I never said Aggron was a check for Tauros
Rock Slide is only hitting Rotom and nothing else. A neutral rock climb hits pretty much everything relevant almost s hard(hazards make the difference not a big deal at all). And except for Regirock and Rhydon, Tauros can beat all physically bulky mons pretty easily with the correct viable move. And forgot one thing, Tauros hits harder than queen with its strongest move. Power is not everything as Rampardos, Medicham, and Kyurem-B have been proving for quite some time now.Tauros packs a lot of power, but for MY experiences, it always lacked some damage output to be a top threat: while even carring a EdgeQuake coverage (thanks to Sheer Force boost on Rock Slide) these moves usually covers pokemon with naturally high physical defense,
So 100 base attack with high powered moves, and life orb is is lacking in power? Okay, good to know. Tauros gets this move called Double-Edge, so it is not missing power, it is actually the opposite, he gains a stronger move with perfect accuracy to hit stuff really hard. Sure the recoil sucks, but the power is worth it.Also, with a Intimidate, what Tauros get in durability it loses in sheer power,
It misses no coverage moves because Substitute(work up is awful and should never by used at all by any mon in the game) is superior to rock slide in every single way, and as said previously, it only hits rotom.and the best setup moves Tauros get are Work Up and Substitute, meaning that if these are run along Tauros will miss many coverage moves
4 SpA Life Orb Tauros Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tangrowth: 192-229 (47.52 - 56.68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock. You sure about that?; without Sheer Force Tauros can't 2HKO defensive Tangrowth reliably.
They are not even similar at all, except for the fact that both are 4 legged normal-typed mons with similar attack stat,And with a Substitute set it suffers direct competition to Bouffalant
Irrelevant when almost everything will hit it firstwhich even though really slower than Tauros, have an overal better bulk
Except for whimsicott, all other grass move users have either insane bulk to take on bouff or can easily take it out with other moves easily. Not to mention it is obvious as hell it will have sap sipper., a immunity with Sap Sipper
Only legitimate point here.and access to Swords Dance.