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Move Sticky Web
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Just tested in a battle with a friend, I don't know if this info was posted but anyway, I'll post it:
Sticky Web does not work against Pokemon with Flying type or Levitate, just as Spikes or Toxic Spikes (tested with Charizard, Vivillon and Flygon as foes).
I also tried if a bug type Pokemon cancels the move, but it still works. (tested with Venipide)
Sticky Web does not work against Pokemon with Flying type or Levitate, just as Spikes or Toxic Spikes (tested with Charizard, Vivillon and Flygon as foes).
I also tried if a bug type Pokemon cancels the move, but it still works. (tested with Venipide)
I've been using a lot of Sticky Web Galvantula lately, and it's definitely not OMGGODTIER good. It's not gonna let you do anything revolutionary like sweeping with Ampharos without using Agility. However, in the OU competitive meta where speed tiers are very tight, this move could make a huge difference for Pokes like Lucario who sometimes wish they had just a tiny bit more speed.
Galvantula himself is actually a decent lead. In addition to Sticky Web, he has a 91% accurate Thunder thanks to Compoundeyes, enabling him to wipe the floor with any foolish Flying leads (bar his hard counter, Gale Force Talonflame). Indeed, even with a Timid nature Galvantula packs enough punch to 2HKO most non-defensive threats with Thunder. He also has access to Signal Beam which is a secondary STAB, but the damage isn't nearly as good. For his last slot, Volt Switch is probably his most viable option (Galvantula is good enough without Sticky Web to make you not want to suicide hiim), though I prefer to run Energy Ball to deal with pesky Ground types.
Galvantula himself is actually a decent lead. In addition to Sticky Web, he has a 91% accurate Thunder thanks to Compoundeyes, enabling him to wipe the floor with any foolish Flying leads (bar his hard counter, Gale Force Talonflame). Indeed, even with a Timid nature Galvantula packs enough punch to 2HKO most non-defensive threats with Thunder. He also has access to Signal Beam which is a secondary STAB, but the damage isn't nearly as good. For his last slot, Volt Switch is probably his most viable option (Galvantula is good enough without Sticky Web to make you not want to suicide hiim), though I prefer to run Energy Ball to deal with pesky Ground types.
If Sticky Web gives a -1 speed to anything switching in, it is just brutally good. For example +1 Dragonite can no longer be revenged by non-levetating Scarfers, Swords Dance Aeglidesh can actually outspeed most of the unboosted metagame, and Swords Dance Terrakion no longer fears anything but Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, Lati@s, and Talonflame. Gen 6 is just going to be crazy hazards oriented if this is a thing. Also it makes Levitate an S-Tier ability since it lets you outspeed all grounded pokes if Sticky Web is on both sides of the field.
Actually, this move is actually not a support catagory move and in fact is a PHYSICAL move, this may seem like nothing at first sight, but what this actually means is that This move is not affected by taunt, nor prankster there is also a strong chance of Bounce not affecting it because of this from what I understand of move catagories, someone should test this in game though, as I do not have a copy yet
http://www.smogon.com/forums/attachments/stickyweb-jpg.2241/
It's not. That was a mistake in the earlier OP.
The best counter to Sticky Web Galvantula is Excadrill.
Excadrill can:
Excadrill can:
- Spin away Sticky Web
- Switch into Thunder/Bug Buzz easily
- Not get 2HKO'd by Giga Drain or Energy Ball even when uninvested (Hidden Power Ground/Fire does quite a bit of damage, although Focus Sash Bug Buzz + SE Hidden Power still doesn't kill)
- Totally avoid the 2HKO if it has some bulk investment (ala Excadrill in Ubers)
There IS Smeargle, though that's obvious. I don't think anyone else is confirmed, though we have a lot of "confirmed to not"
I just realized that Light Ball Pikachu might actually be decent with Sticky Web support.
You should be packing Bug Buzz on Galvantula instead of Signal Beam as the damage is higher.
...that's a legitimately scary prospect, because no other pokemon has the sheer POWER Light Ball Pikachu has on both sides of the spectrum. That thing can OHKO Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza IN THE SAME SET.
At least he's still horribly brutalized by priority.
Pikachu really isn't that strong at all.
252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 111-132 (15.76 - 18.75%) -- possible 4HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
vs
252 SpA Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 85-102 (12.07 - 14.48%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
252 SpA Choice Specs Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 129-153 (18.32 - 21.73%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
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252 SpA Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 85-102 (12.07 - 14.48%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
252 SpA Choice Specs Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 129-153 (18.32 - 21.73%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
Rotom-W isn't exactly a strong wallbreaker (also not even calcing with its strongest move), and it can still outdamage Pikachu by quite a bit if it's holding a boosting item. Considering that and the fact that it's extremely frail and not very fast, it's not a good choice at all.
I understand that the prospect of an adorable Pokemon mascot owning shit is an amusing sight, but there's a reason that Pikachu isn't even viable in NU now.
Doh! Forgot he could learn that! And I spent so much time breeding Joltiks, too! q_q
The fucking OPs, they get me :<
Anyway, been testing out sticky web meta on gen 6 PO alpha (PO being fast this gen? weird right?) and it's honestly a terrible meta, my team got me to page 2 several times then my rank literally dropped off the face of the earth when there was a update that added sticky web/fixed sticky web and everybody started runnign it, wanna know why? because we're used to very speedy metas, and speed control over an entire team is fucking insane. Not only that, but the only spinners/bouncers that can do shit against it, are hard to switchin to any thing else! when I tied using exca, I saw everybody damn running keldeo + galva + mega blaze everywhere, which in my experience has been the best goddamn core that I've seen in the meta so far, but overall, sticky web is really just a bitch that makes the meta stale and stupid, I hated rain so I was glad it got a nerf this gen, but this is even more dumb than rain because, it's literally unbeatable if using the right core. I probably won't be playing this gen until something discourages sticky web to the point where it's not used or until it's banned, sticky web meta is REALLY stupid overall and just decreases all diversity, viabillity of a lot of things and fun in this metagame, other than that the meta seemed very fun and amazing to play, will look forward to when smogon opens up it's tiering
Keldeo doesn't exist in Gen 6 yet anyway, so any simulator allowing it has some serious issues with sticking to the games...
You're not getting the point-- the point is that Pikachu with light ball is losing in power to normal OU Pokemon using Life Orb-- while also being slower, frailer, having crappy resistances, etc.
252 SpA Life Orb Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 130-153 (18.46 - 21.73%)
252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 111-132 (15.76 - 18.75%)
4 Atk Life Orb Kyurem Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 281-331 (39.91 - 47.01%)
4 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 213-252 (30.25 - 35.79%)
LO Kyurem for instance will always be stronger than Pikachu on both sides, and Keldeo will do this even better thanks to Secret Sword avoiding an EV split and better coverage. Considering Speed, Power, Resistances, Coverage, there's never a good reason to use Pikachu in OU over something else.
252 SpA Life Orb Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 130-153 (18.46 - 21.73%)
252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 111-132 (15.76 - 18.75%)
4 Atk Life Orb Kyurem Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 281-331 (39.91 - 47.01%)
4 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 213-252 (30.25 - 35.79%)
LO Kyurem for instance will always be stronger than Pikachu on both sides, and Keldeo will do this even better thanks to Secret Sword avoiding an EV split and better coverage. Considering Speed, Power, Resistances, Coverage, there's never a good reason to use Pikachu in OU over something else.
I see your point. Something for UU with Sticky Web support, then, if not RU.
They could use starmie, whatever, it's still a pretty shit meta so far, I'm running a more updated version of my team now, I'm not losing all the time, but sticky web meta is still shit for me
Literally unbeatable, eh? By that, do you mean it is entirely impossible to kill that core and if you see the core it is instantly game over?
No?
Then stop whining.
It's not game over if you see that core, it's game over when they reveal that they are not some dumbass, but an actual competent player who can use htis core to it's fullest.plus I highly doubt you've even played the sticky web meta(or whatever this current stack of 718 pokes -ubers is).
This core isn't "UNBETABLE OMG" but with proper prediction it can properly overhwelm many of the teams that have even been theorymon'd so far, especially when you consider that it has 3 slots for support/other things, this isn't some offensive force core that breaks everything with raw power, it's a combination of support, offense and tactics that can easily overwhelm many things.
I may have overhyped it in my previous post, but it is the best core I've seen in my *not so* humble opinion, but then again, this thread isn't meant for "bitching"(in some people's eyes) about the next gen meta
No, I admit I haven't, because the only online service that allows something reasonable to hold Gen6 is Pokémon Online and they don't have reasonably updated movepools for the old pokemon.
The way my theoretical team is built, however, is effectively able to handle both that core and Sticky Web without actually having to take effectiveness out of it.
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