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Pokémon Pangoro

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Darkrain491 said:
No greninja doesnt learn Defog. But protean (his hidden ability) Would change him to ghost type as a priority move, meaning you cant use rapid spin to clear hazards (cause its normal so doesnt hit ghosts) this is a spinblock method. Previously people would rapid spin but people would swap in a trustworthy ghost type. My point was, take a pokemon that learns rapid spin (Starmie etc) and replace its Rapid spin with defog. This can fool opponent into swapping in a ghost to spinblock you but when they do, you defog, which clears the field anyway and cant be blocked by Ghosts.
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Blastoise is more reliable since it effectively takes out every spinblocker with dark pulse and keeps hazards on the opposing side of the field.
 
mac1275 said:
Blastoise is more reliable since it effectively takes out every spinblocker with dark pulse and keeps hazards on the opposing side of the field.
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Wasnt saying he wasnt. Simply suggesting a bluff spinner. Something that learns Defog and Rapid Spin. If there are any others, those might work. And besides, due his typing, gengar is set to be no.1 this gen for spin blocking due to his poison type stab on fairies. So a starmie outspeeding him (when it can) for a stab psychic? ouch. especially seeing as he has to put up with his normal stats for the first turn he megas. and even if he megas, he is dark and ghost right? starmie learns dazzling gleam for neutral and coverage over dragons and dark, its weakness.
 
Darkrain491 said:
Wasnt saying he wasnt. Simply suggesting a bluff spinner. Something that learns Defog and Rapid Spin. If there are any others, those might work. And besides, due his typing, gengar is set to be no.1 this gen for spin blocking due to his poison type stab on fairies. So a starmie outspeeding him (when it can) for a stab psychic? ouch. especially seeing as he has to put up with his normal stats for the first turn he megas. and even if he megas, he is dark and ghost right? starmie learns dazzling gleam for neutral and coverage over dragons and dark, its weakness.
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Gengar is still poison ghost, so he is still hit hard by psychic and I was arguing for blastoise getting use on a particular team because of the use of asweeper that greatly appreciates rock support.
 
mac1275 said:
Gengar is still poison ghost, so he is still hit hard by psychic and I was arguing for blastoise getting use on a particular team because of the use of asweeper that greatly appreciates rock support.
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like i said, it was an example. So, any defoggers? Moxie Honchcrow with sucker punch and with Defog to clear the ground (only good for spikes mind but it also wont be hit by spikes), Blastoise is good, just seeing if there are any other defoggers to avoid a move waste in rapid spin.
 
Lord Jesseus said:
Blastoise can learn Dark Pulse. And by keeping hazards on the field he means it doesn't remove them (like Defog does).
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Huh ok. Never seen it used before. Anyway to Pangoro.
Does anyone see any value in infestation? It could be useful for setting up Bulk Ups on a foe who can do nothing to stop him. Unfortunately, that leaves you with only 2 moveslots, for hammer arm or crunch or poison jab. Also, the opponent might see the setup coming and switch out before infestation can be used. It's an interesting concept for a move. Could it be useful enough to outclass a choice set or straight up bulk up?
 
Golemman said:
Blastoise cannot learn dark pulse nor set hazards.
But can we focus on Pangoro again please?
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Sorry just a small distraction. I actually like the use of infestation to set up a sweeper, the only problem I see is that the only pokemon you would likely trap are checks and counters. You could keep a moveslot open and just run a pokemon with infestation and baton pass. Are there any pokemon with this combo that could work well with Pangoro?
 
Ive been having some succes with these two

Espeon
Timid nature
252 hp/4 spA/252 Spe
Light clay
Reflect
Light screen
Wish
Psychic

Pangoro
Impish nature
252 hp/252 def/4 spD
Choice scarf
Parting shot
Hammer arm
Crunch
Earthquake

Simply set up screens, switch to pangoro (with a wish if expecting damage) and then parting shot into your set up sweeper
 
mac1275 said:
Sorry just a small distraction. I actually like the use of infestation to set up a sweeper, the only problem I see is that the only pokemon you would likely trap are checks and counters. You could keep a moveslot open and just run a pokemon with infestation and baton pass. Are there any pokemon with this combo that could work well with Pangoro?
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I've been thinking of doing an extended VoltTurnPassEtc team this gen, and I think that if Galvantula lays some Sticky Web down, Pangoro could Volt Switch or swap in, pull an Infestation when given the opportunity, and then Parting Shot out to an appropriate sweeper.
 
Anyone tried breeding with Hitmonchan to see if it can learn more punching moves ? like elemental punches, mach punch or bullet punch ?
 
Jean mi said:
Anyone tried breeding with Hitmonchan to see if it can learn more punching moves ? like elemental punches, mach punch or bullet punch ?
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It does not learn those moves by breeding.

Wait for the next game though, I can pretty much guarantee he'll get the elemental punches as Tutors.
 
Crewz99 said:
Ive been having some succes with these two

Pangoro
Impish nature
252 hp/252 def/4 spD
Choice scarf
Parting shot
Hammer arm
Crunch
Earthquake

Simply set up screens, switch to pangoro (with a wish if expecting damage) and then parting shot into your set up sweeper
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I'm thinking you will want iron fisted sky uppercut instead, being a scarf set. After one hit you might not want to lose your boost.
Anyway, I do like the synergy. You could even PS back to espeon on a WoW or Twave or whatever aimed at Pangoro. He attracts status like bamboo attracts...a Pangoro.
Awful joke aside, great combo. A new sweeper like Tyrantrum could benefit from the screens and weakened setup foe.
 
I’m just going to leave this here:


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Kung Fu Panda (Pangoro) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spd
- Parting Shot
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I think this has a lot of potential with the new sleep mechs. 394 / 227 / 227 defences is a viable RestTalker. It can easily absorb the sleep of the team, making their Smeargle/Breloom/Whatever much less effective. Sleep Talk becomes a 50% chance Parting Shot. Minimun speed so you can absorb their attack and switch into your counter or set up sweeper. Mold Breaker allows him to pierce Magic Bounce, Contrary and Clear Body. Considering how uncommon Fairy attacks are (and how easy to predic are), he would only be x2 week to Fly and Fight, which isnt bad.
 
chuavechito said:
I’m just going to leave this here:


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Kung Fu Panda (Pangoro) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spd
- Parting Shot
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I think this has a lot of potential with the new sleep mechs. 394 / 227 / 227 defences is a viable RestTalker. It can easily absorb the sleep of the team, making their Smeargle/Breloom/Whatever much less effective. Sleep Talk becomes a 50% chance Parting Shot. Minimun speed so you can absorb their attack and switch into your counter or set up sweeper. Mold Breaker allows him to pierce Magic Bounce, Contrary and Clear Body. Considering how uncommon Fairy attacks are (and how easy to predic are), he would only be x2 week to Fly and Fight, which isnt bad.
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Except that Breloom 2HKOs Pangoro with both Mach Punch and Bullet Seed, and hence if you were to switch into any attack other than Spore, you'd be taken out without being able to fire a shot. Even if you switch into Spore and absorb the status, you have a 50% chance of dying to Breloom without accomplishing anything. Your payoff? You have a 50% chance of reducing Breloom's attack and switching in something it would run from anyway.

Breloom aside, Pangoro's defenses just aren't up to pulling this off. The bulk of the OU metagame can 2HKO him, and his only function with this set is to stick around to try and reduce opponents' stats to allow for easier switch ins.
 
Anyone think about a SubPunch set?
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 Hp
Moveset
Substitute
Power-Up Punch
Poison Jab
Payback/Sky Uppercut/Stone Edge
Item: leftovers
Could work well with baton pass scolipede getting the speed boost benefit.
 
if your trying to get some speed on it, then crunch is the way to go since payback is weaker if you go first.
 
SceptileFTW said:
Anyone think about a SubPunch set?
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 Hp
Moveset
Substitute
Power-Up Punch
Poison Jab
Payback/Sky Uppercut/Stone Edge
Item: leftovers
Could work well with baton pass scolipede getting the speed boost benefit.
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Idk if he learns focus punch but that would compliment very nicely.
 
SceptileFTW said:
Anyone think about a SubPunch set?
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 Hp
Moveset
Substitute
Power-Up Punch
Poison Jab
Payback/Sky Uppercut/Stone Edge
Item: leftovers
Could work well with baton pass scolipede getting the speed boost benefit.
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It'd work even better if Pangoro could learn Focus Punch, which it cannot.
 
For a PURE Parting Shot slave, what's going to last longer? A Pangoro with Leftovers, or an Evolite Pancham?

I mean it's not like 120 attack is bad or anything at all, but for those of us who just want a slow, tanky Panda to absorb a hit and then safely switch something in with Parting Shot, would an evolite Pancham do the job better than tubby Mc.Banchou-San here?

Pangoro has a good 30 base points more HP, only 10 points less in defense, and a fair bit more special defense than Pancham, but all in all evolite Pancham's defenses are a lot higher (with a measly base 60 HP).
 
Fundance said:
For a PURE Parting Shot slave, what's going to last longer? A Pangoro with Leftovers, or an Evolite Pancham?

I mean it's not like 120 attack is bad or anything at all, but for those of us who just want a slow, tanky Panda to absorb a hit and then safely switch something in with Parting Shot, would an evolite Pancham do the job better than tubby Mc.Banchou-San here?

Pangoro has a good 30 base points more HP, only 10 points less in defense, and a fair bit more special defense than Pancham, but all in all evolite Pancham's defenses are a lot higher (with a measly base 60 HP).
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30 base HP is about 1/5th more butt ontop of a Psychic immunity and some SDEF is nothing to sneeze at, and the gain from Eviolite doesn't dwarf it by any means. Since you're looking for a more promising mon to spam it and Pangoro belongs to two of the largest egg groups- it may be worth considering trying out several candidates for the eggmove (the first lot that I'd try is Electabuzz, Diglett, Eevee and Sneasel)
 
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