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[QC Ready 0/3] Excadrill

McGrrr said:
Since Sand Rush is redundant with Choice Scarf, Mold Breaker Earthquake beats all Gengar ;)

It's an easy thing to overlook.

Therefore, Shadow Claw is really just for:

| 21 | Trevenant | 8.55612% | 26890 | 8.642% | 20470 | 8.373% |
| 65 | Gourgeist-Super | 2.35876% | 6700 | 2.153% | 5357 | 2.191% |
| 126 | Gourgeist-Small | 0.37055% | 962 | 0.309% | 814 | 0.333% |
| 127 | Gourgeist | 0.36612% | 1177 | 0.378% | 950 | 0.389% |
| 154 | Gourgeist-Large | 0.19304% | 584 | 0.188% | 480 | 0.196% |
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Shadow Claw is a must on the bulky Rapid Spin set because the set is supposed to be a dedicated spinner and reliable spinner and not getting past one of the most common spinblockers is not an option (Trevenant).

Imo, Assault Vest could be merged with either offensive or bulky Excadrill, but if there is strong support for it getting its own set i guess it's ok.
 
alexwolf said:
Shadow Claw is a must on the bulky Rapid Spin set because the set is supposed to be a dedicated spinner and reliable spinner and not getting past one of the most common spinblockers is not an option (Trevenant).
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We're discussing the Choice Scarf set, not Bulky Rapid Spin. Your point remains valid, but it's far from "not an option" with a Choice item, since Rapid Spin is more opportunistic, rather than a specific role.
 
McGrrr said:
We're discussing the Choice Scarf set, not Bulky Rapid Spin. Your point remains valid, but it's far from "not an option" with a Choice item, since Rapid Spin is more opportunistic, rather than a specific role.
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Oh i definitely agree with this on the Choice Scarf set, Brick Break is an ok option instead of Shadow Claw, i thought we were talking about the bulky set.
 
Why is Assault Vest slashed on the Life Orb set? Separate them. Assault Vest Excadrill uses a different (bulkier) spread, ability, and playstyle, whereas offensive Excadrill uses Swords Dance, an offensive spread, and typically runs Sand Rush when paired with Hippowdon/Tyranitar, which is almost always the case.
 
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Ok, it's time to reach a conclusion. I think that the Assault Vest and bulky SD sets can be merged. They use similar EV spreads, have similar movesets (only one move difference), and most importantly the play very similar, as they are both bulky spinners that check some special Pokemon and use their respectable power and longevity to act as reliable spinners. Here is how i would make the set:

Excadrill @ Assault Vest / Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker / Sand Rush
EVs: 128 HP / 128 Atk / 252 SpD
Nature: Adamant
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide / Swords Dance
- Shadow Claw

The EV spread allows you to always 2HKO Leftovers Trevenant with Shadow Claw and then special bulk is maxed. 160 HP / 96 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant is the better spread if you go with lefties, as with an SD you only need 96 Atk EVs to OHKO Trevenant so you can raise your overall bulk a bit, so this spread should be mentioned in the set comments. How do you like this QC team?
 
Can I ask, why is Adamant the preferred nature on Excadrill?
Does it miss KO on several pokemon if it runs Jolly?

Some calculations on Jolly:
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Aegislash-Shield: 200-236 (61.7 - 72.8%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 102-120 (28.9 - 34%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 100-118 (26.7 - 31.5%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 510-600 (195.4 - 229.8%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 204-240 (58.1 - 68.3%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lucario: 452-534 (160.8 - 190%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 204-240 (56.5 - 66.4%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard X: 308-366 (85.5 - 101.6%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 374-444 (133 - 158%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 234-276 (76.9 - 90.7%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 448-528 (124.4 - 146.6%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 480-568 (154.3 - 182.6%)
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Shadow Claw vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Trevenant: 146-174 (39.1 - 46.6%)


Aside from getting a sure hit KO on Mega Charizard X, I don't really see the benefit of running Adamant on Excadrill.
Max speed Jolly Excadrill gets 302 speed, which lets it beat Adamant Lucario, max speed non +speed nature of both Charizard's mega evolution, and max speed Adamant Mega Kangaskhan.
 
Doesn't Adamant Excadrill fail to outrun Timid Max speed Rotom? I know it isn't common but there are plenty of things outrunning 275 speed (like Timid Heatran, Jolly Mamoswine (which still works this meta btw), and every neutral base 100, etc.)

I think Jolly, especially for PokeBank, must be the primary slash. (I can see Adamant used to hit Trevaunt but it shouldn't be primary slash IMO).
 
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I've been running an Excadrill on Showdown for a while now and the most frustrating thing is when it gets outsped by many threats in OU Talonflame, Garchomp, Gligar, Starmie etc that can all OHKO it

I even ran CHoice Scar but was still getting outsped, Assault vest just didn't seem to work as I was mostly being killed by physical attacks

I'm going to try and run a Focus Sash set therefore i can at least get one guarenteed kill and possibly two ro three if I outpeed the first pokemon i switch into.
 
FlowersByIrene said:
I've been running an Excadrill on Showdown for a while now and the most frustrating thing is when it gets outsped by many threats in OU Talonflame, Garchomp, Gligar, Starmie etc that can all OHKO it

I even ran CHoice Scar but was still getting outsped, Assault vest just didn't seem to work as I was mostly being killed by physical attacks

I'm going to try and run a Focus Sash set therefore i can at least get one guarenteed kill and possibly two ro three if I outpeed the first pokemon i switch into.
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Sorry but you are using Excadrill wrong why would you stay in on things like Talonflame or Garchomp there is no reason to stay maybe you could hit Talonflame on the switch, Excadrill is the best rapid spinner scaring Rotom W thanks to Mold breaker and hitting Gourgest and Trevenant which are good spin blockers hard with shadow claw, in the game if you are looking for Excadrill to sweep use Sand Rush and Tyranitar.

Do you realize that Assault vest increase SpD not Def? seriously it is a general rule not to stay in something that can kill you, Assault vest does not make Excadrill a wall.
Finally Focus Sash is not that great if you switch on spikes or stealth rock, with it you don't have the power, don't have the speed and don't have the bulk remember priority is very important this gen would you have a pokemon with only 1hp left to be still be KO by Talonflame or Aqua Jet, please use Excadrill to his streghts not all the pokemon set are meant to be sweepers be your logic every "slow" pokemon should run Focus Sash. I don't mean to sound rude Excadrill is not working for you because you are using it wrong, if you are looking forward for a fast ground type that work well with Choice Scarf you will be better using Garchomp
 
In my experience jolly nature should ne slashed.
With it you always outspeed rotom-w, jolly mamoswine, jolly nite, adamant lucario, adamant mega kanghaskan, neutral speed megacharizards, small gourgeist, other excadrills, modest hydreigon and other pokemons in the 90-100 speed bracket which is very useful my experience without losing the 2hko on trevenant with +2 shadow claw
 
Burigu said:
Sorry but you are using Excadrill wrong why would you stay in on things like Talonflame or Garchomp there is no reason to stay maybe you could hit Talonflame on the switch, Excadrill is the best rapid spinner scaring Rotom W thanks to Mold breaker and hitting Gourgest and Trevenant which are good spin blockers hard with shadow claw, in the game if you are looking for Excadrill to sweep use Sand Rush and Tyranitar.

Do you realize that Assault vest increase SpD not Def? seriously it is a general rule not to stay in something that can kill you, Assault vest does not make Excadrill a wall.
Finally Focus Sash is not that great if you switch on spikes or stealth rock, with it you don't have the power, don't have the speed and don't have the bulk remember priority is very important this gen would you have a pokemon with only 1hp left to be still be KO by Talonflame or Aqua Jet, please use Excadrill to his streghts not all the pokemon set are meant to be sweepers be your logic every "slow" pokemon should run Focus Sash. I don't mean to sound rude Excadrill is not working for you because you are using it wrong, if you are looking forward for a fast ground type that work well with Choice Scarf you will be better using Garchomp
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That's what i mean when i said assualt vest wasn't doing much because i was always facing physical moves rather than special ones.
And mainly I've been trying to find a fix to my excadrill because it is exactly as you said on offensive sweeper, so on opposing teams where there arent any hazards he's about my third or fourth attacking option, after i've gone through the rest of my team its usally him at full health veses the last couple of threats in a clutch situation and in THAt situation a sash might be useful,i'll have to give it a go, if there are hazards to sweep obviously a sahs will be useless but tha'ts something i'll have to balance. Obviously i don't send him out against talon flames but soemtimes in the clutch i wish he could take the hit and revenge him.
 
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tell me if I'm wrong but for the Assault Vest Excadrill variant, isn't it better to run Adamant nature?
Since AV Excadrill lacks the ability to run SD in conjunction with spin, things like Trevenant might become more of a nuisance to deal with.
Also for the list of things that it can outspeed ...
- AV Excadrill can take Hydro Pump from Rotom-W and easily KO the thing with Earthquake.
- Again someone please check me on this but I'm positive Dnite can set up a DD in front of Excadrill even if its Multiscale is broken. Then a +1 Dnite will proceed to KO the Jolly Excadrill.
- I'm pretty sure more and more Lucarios are running a Jolly Nature over Adamant because of not only does the Mega Evolution benefit more from Jolly but it allows it to KO MegaKangaskhan running Adamant. Granted regular lucarios run adamant though ... so i'll give you that one
- Jolly Mamoswine ... what's the merit in outspeeding? Doesn't it win the 1v1 scenario anyways?
- Adamant Kangaskhan . That thing is so powerful, Jolly is the more preferred nature on it than Adamant, I'm pretty sure. Given it's still a merit I guess but again. What's the merit in outspeeding it?
- Modest Hydreigon. With AV it can take a hit and so with an Adamant nature EQ should be hurting a lot more. but someone check me on that.
 
Tabuu

The main set has Leftovers / Balloon as the primary item choice, so the primary nature choice should be Jolly.

Assault Vest is secondary slashed or AC'd so Adamant should receive the same priority.

As for your argument with Adamant on Assault Vest, this is true, but then the AC should mention how "adamant should be the preferred nature if you choose to run Assault Vest" in the AC section since AV is not the primary item choice.

(Also, in Dragonite's case, it can set up on anything and OHKO if you account Multiscale so that is a moot point, while in Exca's case Rock Slide has a chance of making Dragonite flinch, thus justifying Jolly-nature; outspeeding Mega-Kangs has "merit": it can deal damage before being OHKOd by Earthquake? That sounds like a good deal imo. Mamoswine can get flinched, or OHKOd depending on its remaining HP, with Iron Head so that is a sufficent reason to use Jolly.)
 
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I mean I'm not arguing with the main set. Without the increased bulky provided to Excadrill Jolly is probably way better especially against the likes of Timid Rotom-W. I'm just saying that AV + Adamant is a better combination than AV + Jolly

edit: well the dnite hax flinch is justified i guess. not reliable but definitely not moot either.
against mega kangaskhan i'd actually like to know how much a jolly EQ will be doing. Mega Kanga is BULKY lol. Like it rivals things like Chomp and Swampert. I don't know if some damage will help in the long run - although damage is damage.

edit 2: the question is, is it worth running iron head over something else? Wouldn't you give up something that excadrill really needs?
 
My bad!

I got confused because you quoted a user who was arguing Jolly for the MAIN set and pointed out that it is not the case with the Assault Vest set, which had me thinking you were using AV to justify Adamant on the MAIN since you were attacking that user's argument, which was arguing against the MAIN set, by quoting him.

Please be a bit clear next time :)

edit1: I assume that if you are running Assault Velt that you have enough room to use Excadrill's best STAB in the form of Iron Head...?
 
FlowersByIrene said:
That's what i mean when i said assualt vest wasn't doing much because i was always facing physical moves rather than special ones.
And mainly I've been trying to find a fix to my excadrill because it is exactly as you said on offensive sweeper, so on opposing teams where there arent any hazards he's about my third or fourth attacking option, after i've gone through the rest of my team its usally him at full health veses the last couple of threats in a clutch situation and in THAt situation a sash might be useful,i'll have to give it a go, if there are hazards to sweep obviously a sahs will be useless but tha'ts something i'll have to balance. Obviously i don't send him out against talon flames but soemtimes in the clutch i wish he could take the hit and revenge him.
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Ok I missunderstand the assault vest part sorry about that, as I said before if you want Excadrill to sweep your best bet might be using his Sand Rush ability and Tyranitar or hippowdon but that is not the greatess option in gen VI, as I said before maybe a faster pokemon will be a better option for the kind of role you are trying to play with Excadrill, Focus Sash might be useful sometimes if your opponent don't run rocks or spikes, or you are running a deffoger or ANOTHER spinner but the among of things that make the item useless are not only spikes or rocks: hail, burn, leech seed, or simply switching while your opponent attacks screws the item slot, bar leads or Alakazam Focus sash is a questionable option for most pokemon, in the end you can use it but I would prefer an item that is reliable constantly, good look on your quest.
 
Yes, i was referring to the non-assault vest set. The main advantage against these mons is mostly getting off a rapid spin before dying (ad Excadrill is mostly used for that) and then try to deal with them the way Shurtgal said.
 
Selflessly said:
It's a typo I believe he meant to say to change that to a SpD boost because its obviously not a power boost.
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Yes, I know, just pointing that out so that readers of the eventual analysis won't be confused (especially if they're new).
 
Hmm.. would an Air Balloon be worth mentioning? It helps check quite a few things and can threaten certain things out if they predict incorrectly (then you can get an SD, Rapid Spin or just get a big hit on whatever comes in)
 
Shurtugal said:
My bad!

I got confused because you quoted a user who was arguing Jolly for the MAIN set and pointed out that it is not the case with the Assault Vest set, which had me thinking you were using AV to justify Adamant on the MAIN since you were attacking that user's argument, which was arguing against the MAIN set, by quoting him.

Please be a bit clear next time :)

edit1: I assume that if you are running Assault Velt that you have enough room to use Excadrill's best STAB in the form of Iron Head...?
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lol sorry I'll be more clear next time :]

Regarding Air Balloon, it's definitely a viable option but imo i feel likes its a very niche option. Air balloon probably just lets you rapid spin against certain ground types you wouldn't dream of spinning on. excadrill probably prefers either Leftover recovery or the bulk from assault vest more. Plus air balloon kinda limits how easily excadrill can switch in. But this is all just my opinion.

Ik its already been discussed that mold breaker is more superior on excadrill than rush but if av excadrill's main role is to spin than wouldn't rush work better? Gengar has a 50% of being OHKO'd by shadow claw from 128 attack invested excadrill, and assuming sand is up, that 50% might go up. Excadrill could also outspeed trevenant (since its running 0 speed evs) before it can wisp and KO it (you need to hit trevenant on the switch first though) or force it out and spin.
Sand rush also allows excadrill to become a potent late game cleaner if he decides to run SD . thoughts?
 
That forces you to also run Tyranitar or Hippowdon that, while still very good pokemons on their own, stack a some weaknesses with Excadrill and most of the times it just isn't worth it.
 
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