You could try Flame Charge (too make up for lack of DD), Dragon Pulse, Earthquake/Brick Break, and Swords Dance/Belly Drum/Roost. If only Mega Charizard X got Draco Meteor :/.
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Mold Breaker Excadrill is the best offensive spinner in the metagame right now (Jolly 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe). And having more than 1 of the same type isn't necessarily a bad or good thing, so the whole "I already have a ____ type in my team" mentality is pointless. As long as you have most of the threats in the metagame covered and your teammates are able to cover each others' weaknesses effectively, it doesn't matter how many of a particular type you have on your team.
Thanks for replying, I'll try Excadrill. Could be Tentacruel a good addition then if I prefer a Defensive Spinner? Should I equip Excadrill with Air Balloon or maybe Focus Sash?
Use Air Balloon. It gives you a better chance of getting a spin off, and it also allows you to force out Sub Toxic Gliscor, who is completely walled by Air Balloon Excadrill as long as it's not popped.
As for Tentacruel, I've never tried it out this generation. Just try it out if you want to and see how you like it. That's how you make a team; you mess around with stuff until you find something that works for you. You can ask people what kind of teammates you should have, but in the end, it's best to test things out on your own.
Flame Charge could be a nice touch, but Flareblitz hits literally twice as harder. I think I am going to use a SD set with EQ Dragon Claw and Flare Blitz, with Vaporeon Wish Support. Vaporeon would fare very well with it.
So Scald/Sludge Bomb/Knock Off/Rapid Spin? What EV spread?
my load out in this respect is a bit unconventional. Bold nature, 252 HP/252 Def/ 6 speed, and an assault vest.
the team has sticky web support, so I did not feel compelled to invest in speed.
Just popping in to say that I think Tentacruel is very underrated this gen. Ground types may be common, but it's a total "fuck you" to Azumarill with Sludge Bomb or Scald burns, which is always nice. The sad thing is that it loses out to common spinblockers now that it can't use rain-boosted Scalds and Rain Dish/Protect shenanigans to beat Gengar...oh well...
I was wondering about that, so I started playing with this loadout for a Knock Off Tentacruel in the calculator:
Adamant, Assault Vest, EV spread of HP172/Attack 168/SpecialD 168.
Assumed a standing a battle where Gengar goes first and keeps using thunderbolt while Tentacruel uses knock off. It's a gimmicky, but tentacruel wins the match up more often than not. And if you catch Gengar with a Knock Off on the switch in - which incredibly likely with spin blockers - it's over pretty quick.
Kind of gimmicky, and forget Mega Gengar, but if you want to kill spin blockers, that's an option. Charizard hates stealth rock so much I'd rather just scuttle it all with defog.
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I've read through this thread and there's a lot of great info for both X and Y forms, but I haven't seen much on good partners for Charizard X. Who would be good to put on a team with Mega Charizard X?
So far, I'm thinking Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Togekiss, and maybe Azumarill? But I'm really new to this, so I'm probably wrong haha!
So far, I'm thinking Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Togekiss, and maybe Azumarill? But I'm really new to this, so I'm probably wrong haha!
MegaZardX is a fantastic pokemon because of the coverage its STAB moves give. There's only 2 pokemon that resist dragon and fire in OU (Heatran and Azumarill) so you'll need offensive support to cover those (EQ is a must on pretty much every team, so Azumarill will be the bigger concern). Defensively Charizard NEEDS defog/rapid spin support. Also, he takes big damage from EQ, so a flying/levitate mon would be helpful. 100 base speed isn't ground breaking, so you might want a priority user or scarf mon to beat faster opponents. Also, most other dragons can beat him 1 on 1, so a fairy to scare off SE dragon attacks is definitely welcome. The ones you listed, Excadrill (Rapid Spin, EQ for Heatran, steel type for enemy dragons), ferrothorn (steel type for dragons, Twave on fast mons, hazard setter), Togekiss (fairy type for dragons, flying type for EQ, SpA for physical walls, Twave on fast mons), and Azumarill (Fairy for dragons, Aqua Jet for fast mons) all could make great team mates, but the only way to know which are the best for you is to test teams out and learn from the results
OK, sounds good! I'm glad to know I'm on the right track!
Oh, and is there consensus on the Jolly vs. Adamant issue or the Dragon Claw vs. Outrage issue? Or is it more like the whole "flamethrower vs. fire blast" debate?
Also, is the tactic of running another dragon dancer in the same team as Charizard X a good idea? Like a tag team with Salamence, Gyarados, or Dragonite?
Oh, and is there consensus on the Jolly vs. Adamant issue or the Dragon Claw vs. Outrage issue? Or is it more like the whole "flamethrower vs. fire blast" debate?
Also, is the tactic of running another dragon dancer in the same team as Charizard X a good idea? Like a tag team with Salamence, Gyarados, or Dragonite?
Apparently double dancers was a thing in Ubers last-last gen. Don't really get it, but apparently the point was to do a midgame sweep, lose a dragon, then follow up with a lategame sweep?
I could see it working this time because MegaX has a unique typing that is neutral to fairies, and no fairies but Azumarill really want to eat a Flare Blitz, let alone a +1 flare Blitz.
I wanna say Gyarados could be a good partner, because it hits from completely different types and gets in easy? Not too keen on them both having weakness to rocks, though.
I wanna say Gyarados could be a good partner, because it hits from completely different types and gets in easy? Not too keen on them both having weakness to rocks, though.
Hey, good to know it might actually work!
Yeah, having both weak to rock is potentially problematic. Gyrados is at least neutral to dragon and immune to ground, so they only share one weakness.
Maybe pairing up Charizard X with Haxorus? He may be weak to fairy, ice and dragon, but at least isn't weak to ground or rock.
Multiscale dragonite is at least fairly unlikely to get OHKOd before he can Dragon Dance.
Other than Megas, who is considered the most threatening Dragon Dancer anyway? I don't have enough experience at this point to know. I'd like to see if this Double Dancers tactic can work.
Yeah, having both weak to rock is potentially problematic. Gyrados is at least neutral to dragon and immune to ground, so they only share one weakness.
Maybe pairing up Charizard X with Haxorus? He may be weak to fairy, ice and dragon, but at least isn't weak to ground or rock.
Multiscale dragonite is at least fairly unlikely to get OHKOd before he can Dragon Dance.
Other than Megas, who is considered the most threatening Dragon Dancer anyway? I don't have enough experience at this point to know. I'd like to see if this Double Dancers tactic can work.
The scariest DDancer post dance is Haxorus, who gets to plow through Rotom-Wash properly after a dance, and has that stupid high attack stat.
The easiest one to set up is Dragonite, because Multiscale, although rocks are an issue.
Alternatively, Salamence gets in pretty easy with intimidate, and while it doesn't like rocks, still has a usable ability with them down. Plus, Mixmence is still a thing if you need those physical wall problems solved.
Gyarados is about the same as Mence, but...completely different. I don't know what I'm saying, but basically they both have intimidate and therefore both have options. Depends on the weaknesses of your team, I suppose. Mence at least can probably dent Rotom with Draco Meteor, but it's still not doing much more than 50%.
Zygarde too is notable, but while it's bulk is awesome it's attack is a bit on the lower side, meaning you probably can only use him as the late game sweeper instead of choosing one way or another.
I'd probably say Dragonite is the right choice, seeing as it has Extreme speed which is super important, but again, I've never tried it. You'll probably want a Defogger or a good spinner and maybe a mementoer, though.
The easiest one to set up is Dragonite, because Multiscale, although rocks are an issue.
Alternatively, Salamence gets in pretty easy with intimidate, and while it doesn't like rocks, still has a usable ability with them down. Plus, Mixmence is still a thing if you need those physical wall problems solved.
Gyarados is about the same as Mence, but...completely different. I don't know what I'm saying, but basically they both have intimidate and therefore both have options. Depends on the weaknesses of your team, I suppose. Mence at least can probably dent Rotom with Draco Meteor, but it's still not doing much more than 50%.
Zygarde too is notable, but while it's bulk is awesome it's attack is a bit on the lower side, meaning you probably can only use him as the late game sweeper instead of choosing one way or another.
I'd probably say Dragonite is the right choice, seeing as it has Extreme speed which is super important, but again, I've never tried it. You'll probably want a Defogger or a good spinner and maybe a mementoer, though.
Mementoer? I've never heard of that. I'm planning on using Mold Breaker Excadrill as my rapid spinner, though I hear defog is better.
If you're interested in seeing my team, I have it up on the Rate my Team section. I was thinking Salamence since is has very high attack and 100 base speed (the highest of the dragon dancers).
Right now, I'm thinking my main problem is that all my main attackers are physical in nature. But I could easily be missing something huge since I'm new to this.
Anyway, back on topic, if I have two Dragon Dancers, maybe it's OK for me to try something riskier like Haxorus. Moldbreaker earthquake sounds interesting since it can KO pokemon like Gengar pretty easily. Plus, the only weakness it shares with Charizard X is dragon. I already have Azumarill, so another physical water type like Gyarados might not be ideal.
If you're interested in seeing my team, I have it up on the Rate my Team section. I was thinking Salamence since is has very high attack and 100 base speed (the highest of the dragon dancers).
Right now, I'm thinking my main problem is that all my main attackers are physical in nature. But I could easily be missing something huge since I'm new to this.
Anyway, back on topic, if I have two Dragon Dancers, maybe it's OK for me to try something riskier like Haxorus. Moldbreaker earthquake sounds interesting since it can KO pokemon like Gengar pretty easily. Plus, the only weakness it shares with Charizard X is dragon. I already have Azumarill, so another physical water type like Gyarados might not be ideal.
So I've heard that Megazard X is pretty similar to Gen 4 Salamence, in the sense that he has ridiculous wall breaking and snowball potential, and one mess up on it can cost you the game. How true is that? Because I'm currently stumped on what mega to use, and I was already planning on using Azumarill and Excadrill, so it seems like they'd all have good synergy.
If only we could have 2 megas, and the species clause wasn't in play, Megazard X and Megazard Y would make fantastic synergy together. Right now I'm opting for Scarf Mence and Mega Y together instead, and it works quite well. Mence cuts through the Dragon and Fire types that wall Zard Y like butter.
Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm~ As a (still novice) stall player I can say that I love the look of this set.
Those EVs are outdated. I found 248 HP / 176 Spd / 84 SDef to be superior (this will be standard on the analysis). Give it Stealth Rock support and Char X really doesn't need Attack EVs. That additional bulk makes a significant, and noticeable, difference.
I think Garchomp does that better since it covers CharY's horrid rock weakness, is faster, bulkier, and has a useful secondary ground STAB.
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