What about magma storm heatran? With the upgrade to trapping moves, I've seen that quite a bit now in pokebank.
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I don't really think this is the thread to talking about Heatran, since it's about potential UU pokes, and there's no way Heatran will be dropping from OU anytime soon.
The only reason I brought it up was to see if Clefable would be able to hold its own in OU, or instead end up in UU.
Just going to say that granbull should certainly be viable in UU, and quite possibly even more so for a few reasons I'd like to add to whats just been posted.
Haxorus: The only good check UU would have against Haxorus, especially since haxorus would probably prefer to run taunt + dragon dance or SubDD over posion jab. This would allow haxorus to avoid getting toxic'd by pokemon such as gligar (since EQ and dragon claw/outrage combined with mold breaker ability is perfect coverage anyway and just hits the entire tier very hard). Then again, if granbull is the only thing that can deal with haxorus, it'll probably go to BL anyway (or so I sincerely hope).
Mienshao: Does not have room for poison jab, making granbull a better check. Scarf sets have a very restricted and carefully defined movepool as is, while LO sets would rather run the newly buffed knock-off to cripple the more annoying bulky switch-ins, especially for pokemon like cofagrigous.
Scrafty: I don't think scrafty can really run posion jab either. Crobat, defensive zapdos and gligar can all come in on a set of HJK, crunch and poison jab and proceed to toxic stall (gligar), phase out (zapdos) or KO scrafty (crobat), which is a bit worse of a trade-off than beating/weakening them but not granbull with ice punch.
Heracross: Also notable is that it can safely take on its mega forme, which is nothing to be sneezed at since megacross is shaping to be a dangerous wall breaker in UU with a small amount of hazard support. Here's a calc with megacross using a skill-linked rock blast (apologies if calc is off, apparently the one I used does not factor in skill link, so I just set rock blast to 125 base power)
-1 252+ Atk (custom) Rock Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 113-133 (29.4 - 34.6%) -- 7.7% chance to 3HKO
Wish passing: Umbreon and Granbull pair up pretty well in terms of resisting hits on each side of the spectrum, while granbull is a perfect recipient of umbreon's large wishes due to resisting fighting and bug. I cannot think of too many poison or steel types that can break the core, especially with the steel nerf so umbreon can hurt steels with foul play. Only an all out attacking scolipede or bisharp could offer serious trouble off the top of my head. A bulky water makes for a strong defensive trio in UU (especially if we can snare vaporeon from OU, since then you have two wish passers to help granbull stay alive.
Other things you can check: Although you'd be pretty insane to swap granbull in initially, DD kingdra wouldn't be too happy to have to take on granbull, since it'd need waterfall flinchax to get around it
+1 252+ Atk Kingdra Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 150-177 (39 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
play rough has a chance to OHKO without any investment if SR is up.
It could also potentially take on honchkrow (play rough is an OHKO regardless of EV's or hazards), but not through an initial switch in depending on moxie boosts obtained.
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 157-187 (40.8 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 235-278 (61.1 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Weavile, Virizion, Krookodile and Machamp all spring to mind as other notable pokemon you can check, if not counter too.
Haxorus: The only good check UU would have against Haxorus, especially since haxorus would probably prefer to run taunt + dragon dance or SubDD over posion jab. This would allow haxorus to avoid getting toxic'd by pokemon such as gligar (since EQ and dragon claw/outrage combined with mold breaker ability is perfect coverage anyway and just hits the entire tier very hard). Then again, if granbull is the only thing that can deal with haxorus, it'll probably go to BL anyway (or so I sincerely hope).
Mienshao: Does not have room for poison jab, making granbull a better check. Scarf sets have a very restricted and carefully defined movepool as is, while LO sets would rather run the newly buffed knock-off to cripple the more annoying bulky switch-ins, especially for pokemon like cofagrigous.
Scrafty: I don't think scrafty can really run posion jab either. Crobat, defensive zapdos and gligar can all come in on a set of HJK, crunch and poison jab and proceed to toxic stall (gligar), phase out (zapdos) or KO scrafty (crobat), which is a bit worse of a trade-off than beating/weakening them but not granbull with ice punch.
Heracross: Also notable is that it can safely take on its mega forme, which is nothing to be sneezed at since megacross is shaping to be a dangerous wall breaker in UU with a small amount of hazard support. Here's a calc with megacross using a skill-linked rock blast (apologies if calc is off, apparently the one I used does not factor in skill link, so I just set rock blast to 125 base power)
-1 252+ Atk (custom) Rock Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 113-133 (29.4 - 34.6%) -- 7.7% chance to 3HKO
Wish passing: Umbreon and Granbull pair up pretty well in terms of resisting hits on each side of the spectrum, while granbull is a perfect recipient of umbreon's large wishes due to resisting fighting and bug. I cannot think of too many poison or steel types that can break the core, especially with the steel nerf so umbreon can hurt steels with foul play. Only an all out attacking scolipede or bisharp could offer serious trouble off the top of my head. A bulky water makes for a strong defensive trio in UU (especially if we can snare vaporeon from OU, since then you have two wish passers to help granbull stay alive.
Other things you can check: Although you'd be pretty insane to swap granbull in initially, DD kingdra wouldn't be too happy to have to take on granbull, since it'd need waterfall flinchax to get around it
+1 252+ Atk Kingdra Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 150-177 (39 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
play rough has a chance to OHKO without any investment if SR is up.
It could also potentially take on honchkrow (play rough is an OHKO regardless of EV's or hazards), but not through an initial switch in depending on moxie boosts obtained.
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 157-187 (40.8 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Granbull: 235-278 (61.1 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Weavile, Virizion, Krookodile and Machamp all spring to mind as other notable pokemon you can check, if not counter too.
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Regarding the dragon discussion: I'd say Haxorus and Hydreigon might very well drop to UU this gen and then two things could happen:
1: The meta is overwhelmed by their power and kicks them out to rot in BL.
2: The meta adapts and becomes a hyperoffensive shithole (basically it'd become like Gen V OU)
The rest of the dragons though? Latias is looked down upon by shoddy noobs who think that she's an inferior version of Latios (hint: she's not), but she's getting a mega evo later on so she's got a snowball's chance in hell of being UU. Salamence is above UU cutoff atm, and I don't think UU could handle him anyways, even with the power creep that might happen. Noivern and Tyrantrum will go UU (Noivern might even end up in RU lol), but considering they're not overwhelming powerhouses with 600 BST or an Attack stat of 140>, they're not up for debate to begin with. Zygarde will become OU as soon as people finally realise that it's not a bad version of Garchomp, Kyurem will probably rot in BL once again.
So, like I said, there's a fair chance that XY UU will become a hyperoffensive shitfest. Right now, what we have is a couple of 600 BST monsters dropping down (Haxorus, Metagross), we've got Pokemon with ridiculously high (Special) Attack stats (Haxorus, Chandelure, Darmanitan), speed demons (Jolteon, Noivern, Crobat), weather inducers and even some favorites from last gen's OU, like Keldeo (DO NOT LET THIS THING DROP NEVER LET THIS THING DROP NEVER DO IT DON'T PLEASE)(not to mention some previous ubers are below UU cutoff atm; Deoxys-S, Deoxys-D, fucking Thundurus). Some of these threats might be barely OU by the end of it, some might be banned, but overall I'd say there are too many factors around that might just turn UU into the hyperoffensive shithole (therefor: do not even touch with a 30 foot long stick).
1: The meta is overwhelmed by their power and kicks them out to rot in BL.
2: The meta adapts and becomes a hyperoffensive shithole (basically it'd become like Gen V OU)
The rest of the dragons though? Latias is looked down upon by shoddy noobs who think that she's an inferior version of Latios (hint: she's not), but she's getting a mega evo later on so she's got a snowball's chance in hell of being UU. Salamence is above UU cutoff atm, and I don't think UU could handle him anyways, even with the power creep that might happen. Noivern and Tyrantrum will go UU (Noivern might even end up in RU lol), but considering they're not overwhelming powerhouses with 600 BST or an Attack stat of 140>, they're not up for debate to begin with. Zygarde will become OU as soon as people finally realise that it's not a bad version of Garchomp, Kyurem will probably rot in BL once again.
So, like I said, there's a fair chance that XY UU will become a hyperoffensive shitfest. Right now, what we have is a couple of 600 BST monsters dropping down (Haxorus, Metagross), we've got Pokemon with ridiculously high (Special) Attack stats (Haxorus, Chandelure, Darmanitan), speed demons (Jolteon, Noivern, Crobat), weather inducers and even some favorites from last gen's OU, like Keldeo (DO NOT LET THIS THING DROP NEVER LET THIS THING DROP NEVER DO IT DON'T PLEASE)(not to mention some previous ubers are below UU cutoff atm; Deoxys-S, Deoxys-D, fucking Thundurus). Some of these threats might be barely OU by the end of it, some might be banned, but overall I'd say there are too many factors around that might just turn UU into the hyperoffensive shithole (therefor: do not even touch with a 30 foot long stick).
I really don't think it's a good idea to base what will and will not be UU on the current usage stats. We should wait for the tiers to settle down before we base them on usage alone. Heck, it's probably a more sensible idea to therorymon than anything else in this thread.
I like the idea of a granbull and umbreon core. The main threat to this core would be metagross thanks to its meteor mash+ hammer arm coverage along with clear body to prevent the intimidate drop but he is vulnerable to dark attacks so umbreon can have fun with foul play lol
The only aspect of uu that im not looking forward to is if weather drops specifically politoed. I hated rain last gen especially early bw 2 with keldeo/torn-t cores firing off huricanes, thunders and hydro pumps left and right. I was forced to run lanturn to help.
But one thing that is bittersweet is stallrein is officially done since hail only lasts 5-8 turns...
Does anybody know when we'll be able to play xy uu on ps! ?
The only aspect of uu that im not looking forward to is if weather drops specifically politoed. I hated rain last gen especially early bw 2 with keldeo/torn-t cores firing off huricanes, thunders and hydro pumps left and right. I was forced to run lanturn to help.
But one thing that is bittersweet is stallrein is officially done since hail only lasts 5-8 turns...
Does anybody know when we'll be able to play xy uu on ps! ?
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I highly doubt Politoed will ever drop. Hopefully, people will start realizing that Swift Swim Kingdra is now a thing, and one that can outspeed base 110 scarfers while still dealing massive damage with Choice Specs Draco Meteor. If it does, Kingra will get sent to OU instantly.
Even with thr nerf to rain hyperoffense rain is still an effective playstyle in ou. Keldeo tornadus and thundurus can still have a field day lol so youre probably rigbt on that.
Especially since politoed is the only non uber with drizzle i guess it wont change much..
ninetales on the other hand im not so sure...
I really doubt politoed is dropping, and that's a very good thing. I played mostly UU to avoid the awfulness of weathermon Gen V OU. I also doubt ninetails would drop, could you imagine darmanitan, victini, and chandelure with auto sun set for them? It would be insane.
Clefable definitely seems destined for OU, it can do so much between support, recoil-less life orb, that crazy cosmic power set people are running, it's solidly the #2 fairy behind azumarill. Granbull is sounding good, I think it could work its way up to UU for sure.
Clefable definitely seems destined for OU, it can do so much between support, recoil-less life orb, that crazy cosmic power set people are running, it's solidly the #2 fairy behind azumarill. Granbull is sounding good, I think it could work its way up to UU for sure.
Escavalier might be pretty interesting this time around since it received a few buffs in the generation shift. Overcoat's buff along with its natural typing and bulk makes it a great switch-in for Sleep Powder/Spore users such as Roserade and Amoonguss, provided they aren't running HP Fire (although the power boost to Megahorn via Swarm is still really attractive for something like Escavalier). The buff to Knock Off gives it another neat option to toss around, and more importantly, it now gets Drill Run as an egg move. I know that Drill Run (and Superpower, for that matter) was one of those moves that a lot of people were hoping Escavalier would get back in BW2 from the move tutors, but it unfortunately didn't. Now that it has that Ground coverage, it can finally nail a ton of the Steel-types that wall its STABs for significant damage. Who knows, it might be just enough of a buff to let Excavalier reclaim its old spot in UU.
Now if they'd only give it Gyro Ball...
Now if they'd only give it Gyro Ball...
The thing I'm really hoping to drop to UU is Cresselia. It was Borderline last gen and its easy to see why with 120 hp / 120 def / 130 sp. def. I've been using Cresselia on a Pokebank Trick Room team and it is as bulky as its stats say. I can see Cresselia moving down from BL to UU but I can't see anything Cresselia has lost in transition to Gen 6. (Let me know if you can see anything its lost that would make it UU (un)worthy.)
I'm also excited because Cresselia becoming UU will make Escavalier prominent as its counter with STAB megahorn and no fear of Toxic.
I'm also excited because Cresselia becoming UU will make Escavalier prominent as its counter with STAB megahorn and no fear of Toxic.
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I feel like M-Heracross is too powerful to end up in UU. With great coverage, decent bulk and sky high attack, i think it may be a tad too strong to be in UU. With sticky web support, it can sweep entire teams 6-0, and without support, can wall break and punch holes in the other team, not easily 0HKO revenged without a flying move.
Hydreigon i fear will end up BL, but Haxorus has a fair chance of dropping into UU. Why? Hydreigon's mixed stats are just too much, acting as a lure for things like chansey, and generally still having the power to crush things. Haxorus just can't pull it's weight even with attack i think.
Granbull is UU for sure, Clefable is sadly, going to be OU, Togekiss is easily OU.
The weather users won't drop, their OU niche is still too much, unfortunately.
I honestly feel like UU won't be getting any megas, unfortunately. Even Banette won't drop, thanks to 165 base sucker punches, and prankster status. It's a hard hitting sableye. Heracross hits way too hard, same w/ M-ampharos, especially with trick room.
Can you think of any Megas that will are in question of dropping to UU? Remember, Gardevoir has 100 base speed now. You can't kill Mega-Agron with anything physical, and it hits back hard with 140 base attack. It can take a 3HKO from Terrakion's close combat and OHKO back with iron head, and doesn't even have a 2x weakness. M-Mawile is way too strong with huge power, passable bulk to pull off a swords dance, and sucker punch sweep, M-Medicham can nuke everything, with the now strongest in game move HJK, and has again, passable bulk, with near flawless coverage and power. M-Houndoom gets a LO boost in sun,Maybe the megas are a little too much, I don't know.
The only maybe i can think of is Mega-Manetric, but it's niche may make it too much, and it may be wrong too have only one mega in UU.
Hydreigon i fear will end up BL, but Haxorus has a fair chance of dropping into UU. Why? Hydreigon's mixed stats are just too much, acting as a lure for things like chansey, and generally still having the power to crush things. Haxorus just can't pull it's weight even with attack i think.
Granbull is UU for sure, Clefable is sadly, going to be OU, Togekiss is easily OU.
The weather users won't drop, their OU niche is still too much, unfortunately.
I honestly feel like UU won't be getting any megas, unfortunately. Even Banette won't drop, thanks to 165 base sucker punches, and prankster status. It's a hard hitting sableye. Heracross hits way too hard, same w/ M-ampharos, especially with trick room.
Can you think of any Megas that will are in question of dropping to UU? Remember, Gardevoir has 100 base speed now. You can't kill Mega-Agron with anything physical, and it hits back hard with 140 base attack. It can take a 3HKO from Terrakion's close combat and OHKO back with iron head, and doesn't even have a 2x weakness. M-Mawile is way too strong with huge power, passable bulk to pull off a swords dance, and sucker punch sweep, M-Medicham can nuke everything, with the now strongest in game move HJK, and has again, passable bulk, with near flawless coverage and power. M-Houndoom gets a LO boost in sun,Maybe the megas are a little too much, I don't know.
The only maybe i can think of is Mega-Manetric, but it's niche may make it too much, and it may be wrong too have only one mega in UU.
Togekiss will no doubt be OU. It's very good as a defensive mon and quite versatile; outside of paraflinch, and people are trying out cleric sets and a bulky-attacking pivot that's quite powerful. I think, Sylveon might drop sometime though; it's too limited and Togekiss and Clefable outclass it as a special-defensive fairy. Also it's complete Scizor bait which is never a good thing.
Remember that you can only use one mega in a team, which really puts a limit on the number of those, that will be OU. At the moment, everyone and their cousin's grandmother's friend's dog uses M-Kangaskhan, and even without M-Khan, people would gravitate to other things with absurd sweeping potential such as Lucario (and to a lesser extent, Pinsir and Mawile).
I can actually see many (if not most) megas dropping into UU - maybe a few even into RU, like Manectric. Gardevoir is extremely physically frail and 100 base speed really isn't what it used to be. Much of the same goes for Medicham. Sun was nerfed and running Houndoom means not running Charizard-Y but Ninetales (lol). Ampharos is slow as paste and, unlike Mawile, doesn't get priority. Being what they are though, they're likely to cause the most crazy power creep you can imagine.
Cresselia was not BL last gen, it was BL2 (banned from RU).
Do you think any of the pokemon who gained Sticky Web will be put into UU?
The most prominent user of Sticky Web I see right now is Galvantula, but that seems to be possibly put in OU.
Maybe Ariados?
If Gen6 UU turns into hyperoffense with all the dragons dropping down, then I guess Sticky Web would be kinda useful. What do you guys think?
The most prominent user of Sticky Web I see right now is Galvantula, but that seems to be possibly put in OU.
Maybe Ariados?
If Gen6 UU turns into hyperoffense with all the dragons dropping down, then I guess Sticky Web would be kinda useful. What do you guys think?
drill run, oh shit! I was begging for this last gen, thank you based gamefreak! I gotta say, with that and knock off's buff escavalier is going to bust into UU. ASsault vest is such a fantastic tank, pursuit trapper, item knocker, and now, with some real coverage it's way harder to wall. I've had a good time with it in OU, in UU it will be good.
Overcoat is probably the more useful ability unless you're going with a TR team I think, since swapping into roserade safely would be quite the niche for escavalier to have amongst other possible ones I can't yet think of (watching for techician HP fire though). In is any case, escavalier has just about all the coverage it could ask for now with drill run and the knock-off buff. The only thing safely taking on the snail now is zapdos with heat wave, since just about everything else either gets hit pretty damn hard by STAB or drill run (especially fire types from drill run), cannot afford a lost item through knock off (gligar), or cannot do anything meaningful back against escavalier (hitmontop). Even zapdos would hate losing an item, but it'll have to deal with that if you want to switch in safely. Its really looking good for UU, although wish reliance and hazard damage cripples it significantly.
I've been seeing a buttload more unaware clefables than magic guard ones since the metagame's shifted towards bulky boosting.
I am interested in the former OU Pokemon, who were below the 3.41% cutoff on the Prebank Nov 13 statistics :
The first group is weather setters and weather abusers - Politoed's downfall is the biggest surprise due to the huge weather nerf. Alongside Ninetales and Hippowdon, UU initially will have all four weather's automatic setters. Rain offense may rampant with Toxicroak and the swift swimmers such as Uu's already top tier threat Kingdra (Who's also got his Sniper ability buffed ) and others like Ludicolo and Kabutops. Gastrodon may be used in UU for the same role it was used in OU, as to stop this newly rain madness that might fall upon the tier. If not, I can imagine Gastrodon falling even lower than UU, if say Politoed would be banned to BL. Venusaur is still locked in OU, due to it's Mega form but Ninetales can be partnered up with other great Chlorophyll users such as Victreebel and Sawsbuck. No fire types have yet to fall from OU, but UU's hard-hitters like Darmanitan, Victini and Chandelure (if it won't rise to OU) will highly enjoy the sun boost. Donphan was considered the best spinner, alongside Forretress, to sun teams and now is being outclassed in the sunless OU. Hippowdon can balance the incoming offensive play styles with his amazing bulk and walling capacities, alongside the defensive nature of sandstorm. The sand may benefit rock types like Rhyperior or Cradily or be used offensively with Sand Rush users like Stoutland (who got 10 more points into his Attack stat) and Sandslash.
The second group is dragons - With the newly dragon nerfing type, it could be guessed that some of the mighty dragons, previously roaming freely in OU, would fall. Haxorus was anticipated to fall already in the late stages of the BW2 metagame, but Salamence is quite the surprise. The former Mold Breaker laughs at what could have been the best counter, Bronzong and the latter can be offensive on both spectrums. If they both won't be banned to BL, it would only be managed by uprise of Fairies like Granbull. The downfall of both will dictate the metagame and will encourage offensive play style.
The third group is trappers - it seems they are no longer needed as much in the OU metagame. Each of the falling two seemed to have quite the specific team prototype to function in. Magnezone in offensive dragon teams, the DragMag combination, and Dugtrio mainly in sun teams. Both type of teams have become massively weaken in the generation shift and so the trappers usage is accordingly. Magnezone may enhance the offensive shift to UU by partnering with Haxorus or Salamence. It may also be used to check them, as it resists their stab and their fairy-type coverage. Dugtrio can no longer trap Heatran or Tyranitar but it might find some usage trapping steel types or helping to win weather wars.
The last group can be called bulky offense and is constructed from Conkeldurr, Metagross and Reuniclus. Metagross can be a fairy type killer, to partner up with the mighty falling dragons. Like Magnezone, it might be used to check them. The Agility set seems to be terrifying in this environment more than ever so it won't be necessarily bulky. Reuniclus and Conkeldurr however might shift the metagame into a slower pace of offense with Bulk up/Calm Mind. Trick room abusing sets may be viable and hard to stop.
What do you think of these suspects of becoming UU's new toys ? The Release of Pokebank might prevent whose falling ?
The first group is weather setters and weather abusers - Politoed's downfall is the biggest surprise due to the huge weather nerf. Alongside Ninetales and Hippowdon, UU initially will have all four weather's automatic setters. Rain offense may rampant with Toxicroak and the swift swimmers such as Uu's already top tier threat Kingdra (Who's also got his Sniper ability buffed ) and others like Ludicolo and Kabutops. Gastrodon may be used in UU for the same role it was used in OU, as to stop this newly rain madness that might fall upon the tier. If not, I can imagine Gastrodon falling even lower than UU, if say Politoed would be banned to BL. Venusaur is still locked in OU, due to it's Mega form but Ninetales can be partnered up with other great Chlorophyll users such as Victreebel and Sawsbuck. No fire types have yet to fall from OU, but UU's hard-hitters like Darmanitan, Victini and Chandelure (if it won't rise to OU) will highly enjoy the sun boost. Donphan was considered the best spinner, alongside Forretress, to sun teams and now is being outclassed in the sunless OU. Hippowdon can balance the incoming offensive play styles with his amazing bulk and walling capacities, alongside the defensive nature of sandstorm. The sand may benefit rock types like Rhyperior or Cradily or be used offensively with Sand Rush users like Stoutland (who got 10 more points into his Attack stat) and Sandslash.
The second group is dragons - With the newly dragon nerfing type, it could be guessed that some of the mighty dragons, previously roaming freely in OU, would fall. Haxorus was anticipated to fall already in the late stages of the BW2 metagame, but Salamence is quite the surprise. The former Mold Breaker laughs at what could have been the best counter, Bronzong and the latter can be offensive on both spectrums. If they both won't be banned to BL, it would only be managed by uprise of Fairies like Granbull. The downfall of both will dictate the metagame and will encourage offensive play style.
The third group is trappers - it seems they are no longer needed as much in the OU metagame. Each of the falling two seemed to have quite the specific team prototype to function in. Magnezone in offensive dragon teams, the DragMag combination, and Dugtrio mainly in sun teams. Both type of teams have become massively weaken in the generation shift and so the trappers usage is accordingly. Magnezone may enhance the offensive shift to UU by partnering with Haxorus or Salamence. It may also be used to check them, as it resists their stab and their fairy-type coverage. Dugtrio can no longer trap Heatran or Tyranitar but it might find some usage trapping steel types or helping to win weather wars.
The last group can be called bulky offense and is constructed from Conkeldurr, Metagross and Reuniclus. Metagross can be a fairy type killer, to partner up with the mighty falling dragons. Like Magnezone, it might be used to check them. The Agility set seems to be terrifying in this environment more than ever so it won't be necessarily bulky. Reuniclus and Conkeldurr however might shift the metagame into a slower pace of offense with Bulk up/Calm Mind. Trick room abusing sets may be viable and hard to stop.
What do you think of these suspects of becoming UU's new toys ? The Release of Pokebank might prevent whose falling ?
Regarding Escavalier, I definitely think he has a shot this gen at reclaiming his UU status. From my experiences, Escavalier was a pretty solid Pokemon in BW UU; its typing was really good and those CB Megahorns made it one hell of a good Pokemon; it checked threats, wallbreaks, and Pursuit traps. With all the buffs Escavalier got, I can see it getting into UU again. The Knock Off buff and Drill Run are both definite improvements, so Escavalier now has a way to put up a fight with Chandelure whenever needed. Knock Off is also pretty cool to hit Ghost-types like Cofagrigus, and Drill Run is good because all the Fire- and Steel-types now have to take some pain from it. Another cool thing about Escavalier this gen is that its Iron Head is much more useful now with the introduction of Fairies. If we manage to see stuff like Gardevoir and Clefable making way into UU, its STAB Iron Head could be useful to maul them. Escavalier looks like a really good wallbreaker that can hit almost anything now in one way or another, and I would definitely really like using it this gen. So yeah, I can see Escavalier being better than ever in XY UU, and possibly reclaim its UU status.
As for the drops, I can see Salamence and Haxorus both being strong in UU, even with Fairies around they're both pretty powerful and outside of Fairies and Steels nothing really counters them, Moxie is still a wicked ability and Scarf should be good. It also has a bunch of other sets I can see being used well. Haxorus is pretty powerful and its Outrage will be a pain to take, and it has Earthquake and Poison Jab so Steels and Fairies will still live in fear. Toxicroak might be good, but I honestly think it may move further down to RU, although it may be viable in UU imo; that typing is pretty awesome with those resistances and it's still a potent attacker. I think Politoed would be pretty great in UU and make Rain teams popular; we'd be stealing Kabutops from RU at this rate too! Dugtrio and Magnezone would be usable, I guess, as decent partners for the dragons. Donphan would be really welcome as a spinner since Spikes would still be really ubiquitous in UU with the Deoxys formes, Roserade, Froslass, and Qwilfish still around. I don't really know how Reuniclus or Conkeldurr would do though.
As for the drops, I can see Salamence and Haxorus both being strong in UU, even with Fairies around they're both pretty powerful and outside of Fairies and Steels nothing really counters them, Moxie is still a wicked ability and Scarf should be good. It also has a bunch of other sets I can see being used well. Haxorus is pretty powerful and its Outrage will be a pain to take, and it has Earthquake and Poison Jab so Steels and Fairies will still live in fear. Toxicroak might be good, but I honestly think it may move further down to RU, although it may be viable in UU imo; that typing is pretty awesome with those resistances and it's still a potent attacker. I think Politoed would be pretty great in UU and make Rain teams popular; we'd be stealing Kabutops from RU at this rate too! Dugtrio and Magnezone would be usable, I guess, as decent partners for the dragons. Donphan would be really welcome as a spinner since Spikes would still be really ubiquitous in UU with the Deoxys formes, Roserade, Froslass, and Qwilfish still around. I don't really know how Reuniclus or Conkeldurr would do though.
I dont think mega hera is too threatening. It lost 2 great abilities in guts and moxie. All you need is to burn it (not hard considering its base 55 speed now). Chandy and darm easily outpace and can hit hard with fire stab. I do think uu will see some mega usage since the better ones will be locked away in ou.
Overcoat assault vest escavalier with drill run and knock off is shaping up to be a real contender this gen!
Overcoat assault vest escavalier with drill run and knock off is shaping up to be a real contender this gen!
Gastodon is not only used to stop insane rain madness, it was also used to block Rotom-W completely, to block Jellicent's Scald, and Keldeo's Hydro Pump, to block Starmie's Hydro Pump/Surf, to check Cloyster, and with new Greninja and possibly Barbaracle, it will stay there, with pokebank it gets Earth Power back, but Scald and Ice Beam are still here, and storm drain is as good as ever, I don't see it even dropping to UU, I've been using it a lot, and it the most reliable counter to Rotom-W until now, because it also blocks Volt Switch. I mean I just literally spammed my team with Heatran and Greninja with Gastrodon and it was amazing.
Toxicroak wasn't only used for Dry Skin's healing ability, it was also used for Dry Skin's water absorbing, as mention above, except that it also completely blocks Keldeo. Not to mention it has access to Taunt, which is now more viable, Bullet Punch, Belch, Swords Dance, Nasty Plot, Drain Punch, Knock Off, and can run a bulky set with Foul Play.
Toxicroak wasn't only used for Dry Skin's healing ability, it was also used for Dry Skin's water absorbing, as mention above, except that it also completely blocks Keldeo. Not to mention it has access to Taunt, which is now more viable, Bullet Punch, Belch, Swords Dance, Nasty Plot, Drain Punch, Knock Off, and can run a bulky set with Foul Play.
As far as the drops are concerned, I think people are making too big of a deal out of weather inducers. Sun teams will be kept in check by dugtrio and all the new dragons that might be in UU, while if Politoed drops down, I highly doubt that stuff like Kingdra is going to stay, or they might make an Aldaron's proposal for UU. Venusaur, last gen's premier sun sweeper is probably going to stay in OU due to its Mega, and Gastrodon was UU for a period of time last gen.
As far as new 600 BST and dragons mind that might drop, Metagross was already UU on PO last gen, and the steel nerf made it worse. I can also see Hydreigon coming down, because it wasn't used a lot at the end of BW2 OU as it is. I'm not too sure about how Haxorus will fare, it really is powerful:
252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 142-169 (42.5 - 50.5%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 214-253 (64 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 169-200 (45.1 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 238-281 (63.6 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 208-246 (52.9 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
And you can't use Bronzong because of Mold Breaker, allowing a set-up Haxorus to either KO or 2 KO the entire tier. and I also don't think that Salamence is coming down either, I mean come on, it's Salamence! Just because people aren't using it a lot now means that it will become UU, people are just looking at the new mons.
Furthermore, I really can't see Magnezone coming down. It's job of trapping steels is more important than ever with Aegislash running around.
Forgive me if I did anything wrong, I'm new at posting, and I'm sorry if I left out any critical details, this is really me just saying why Haxorus probably would be banned to BL.
As far as new 600 BST and dragons mind that might drop, Metagross was already UU on PO last gen, and the steel nerf made it worse. I can also see Hydreigon coming down, because it wasn't used a lot at the end of BW2 OU as it is. I'm not too sure about how Haxorus will fare, it really is powerful:
252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 142-169 (42.5 - 50.5%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 214-253 (64 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 169-200 (45.1 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 238-281 (63.6 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Haxorus Outrage vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 208-246 (52.9 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
And you can't use Bronzong because of Mold Breaker, allowing a set-up Haxorus to either KO or 2 KO the entire tier. and I also don't think that Salamence is coming down either, I mean come on, it's Salamence! Just because people aren't using it a lot now means that it will become UU, people are just looking at the new mons.
Furthermore, I really can't see Magnezone coming down. It's job of trapping steels is more important than ever with Aegislash running around.
Forgive me if I did anything wrong, I'm new at posting, and I'm sorry if I left out any critical details, this is really me just saying why Haxorus probably would be banned to BL.
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