Other Good Cores

[SuperMeep]

can someone help me find good partners for this team I'm making. I really want to try out victreebel, but it needs so much support, I don't know who to run.
Currently its: Victreebel-CharizardY-Hydriegon(scarf)-Vaporeon(cleric)-Gliscor(defogger)-metagross(for the resistances). I'm thinking claydol>gliscor for spin+rocks and maybe aegislash>metagross. Problem is, I might need another sunny day setter (with heat rock)...I might.

You would be better served by replacing Metagross with Scizor, to give victreebel a free switch in, while hitting abd resisting those psychics victreebel hates, and it has access to defog, voiding gliscor. Also, I think you would be better served by intimidate gyarados than gliscor, as it counters talonflame very well. When the focus of your team is victreebel ninetails>charizard y
Gliscor is dead weight, when you would be better served by Scizor who is resistent to victreebels weaknesses.
Scizor and Gyara resist all of victreebel's weaknesses, and gyarados puts a dead stop on Talonflame, which would probably be Bell's doom.

Perhaps a team of: Victreebel, Vaporeon, ninetails, (M?)-Scizor, gyarados, and whoever else, maybe hydreigon.

 

[Vergil9000]

I find Parashuffle gyarados works well in tandom with Manetric for this reason. Rage.

Normally, a smart player would see the lightning rod coming, but after a few turns of a parashuffling / paraflinching gyarados, the opponent just sprints for anything on their team with Tbolt. And then Manetric gets a boost and sweeps. Its hilarious. I also have nidoking with that core.

what would be a good third pokemon to complement that core (pre-bank)? i tried those two before and i had a hard time finding good pokemon to complement them

 

[Dragontamer]

I want to add Gyarados to the core for the water resist, electric-lure, and EVEN MORE Intimidation techniques. o: But nine times out of ten I like my Gyaras to have some Moxie.

Still, Gyarados has a lot of versatility: maybe a bulky phazer with T-Wave to cripple any incoming threats?

Pure waters, like Vaporeon, work as excellent partners to Landorus, due to the Water / Ice resist. Furthermore, Landorus-T covers the electric weakness of Vaporeon.

Grass pokemon will work with the ground weakness from Manectric, and also cover the Water issue from Landorus-T. Ice remains an issue however.

 

[Jaroda]

What an amazing small duo. Here is perfect type synergy. Empoleon is only weak to Fighting, Ground and Electric. Gliscor is immune to TWO of those and eats physical Fighting moves for breakfast. Gliscor is only weak to Water and Ice and Empoleon resists Water and 4x resists Ice which is great because those are aimed at Gliscor the most. The two are bulky on both ends of the spectrum combined and do an amazing job of resetting the battlefield with Defog while getting their rocks off (up. whatever) as well as phasing with Roar/Yawn, spreading status with Toxic or Scald, removing items with Knock Off and preventing walls and set up mom with Taunt. All the while Gliscor is also able to soak up any status aimed at either of them and neither are weak to rocks, Empoleon resists in fact. I'm still trying to settle on the right EV spread and the perfect set of moves. These two can really pave the way for someone like Charizard

 

[SomeoneStoleTheNameIWant]

What an amazing small duo. Here is perfect type synergy. Empoleon is only weak to Fighting, Ground and Electric. Gliscor is immune to TWO of those and eats physical Fighting moves for breakfast. Gliscor is only weak to Water and Ice and Empoleon resists Water and 4x resists Ice which is great because those are aimed at Gliscor the most. The two are bulky on both ends of the spectrum combined and do an amazing job of resetting the battlefield with Defog while getting their rocks off (up. whatever) as well as phasing with Roar/Yawn, spreading status with Toxic or Scald, removing items with Knock Off and preventing walls and set up mom with Taunt. All the while Gliscor is also able to soak up any status aimed at either of them and neither are weak to rocks, Empoleon resists in fact. I'm still trying to settle on the right EV spread and the perfect set of moves. These two can really pave the way for someone like Charizard

I know I'm totally obsessed with Mega-Manectric, but he could definitely fit this core quite well. Gliscor can take Ground attacks targeting Manectric, while he can in turn receive a boost from Electric attacks aimed at Empoleon. Just sayin'

 

[vonK]

I really like that core, I've been toying around with a lot of cores lately and I think I I'll try that one out. My only question is does Empoleon's lack of reliable recovery become a problem? I feel like he'd get worn down easily. Also Rotom-W is a huge problem for this core, adding a grass type might help but that still means it would have trouble w/ volt-turn combos.

 

[Jaroda]

I know I'm totally obsessed with Mega-Manectric, but he could definitely fit this core quite well. Gliscor can take Ground attacks targeting Manectric, while he can in turn receive a boost from Electric attacks aimed at Empoleon. Just sayin'

Mega Manectric would be an awesome partner thanks to Intimidate and Volt Turn adding great offensive pressure, it just depends if you want to use your Mega slot or not.

I really like that core, I've been toying around with a lot of cores lately and I think I I'll try that one out. My only question is does Empoleon's lack of reliable recovery become a problem? I feel like he'd get worn down easily. Also Rotom-W is a huge problem for this core, adding a grass type might help but that still means it would have trouble w/ volt-turn combos.

Gliscor fortunately can't be burned and Volt Turn does nothing and they're forced to stay in. It is very easy to stall Rotom-W out of Hydro Pump's PP with Sub/Protect or even Sub alone since Hydro Pump IS only 80% accurate. and Toxic can help. Knock Off removes Leftovers or Chesto Berry meaning it'll stay asleep if it tries. But sure, every team needs a Rotom-W counter. Personally Mold Breaker Haxorus handles it with EQ easily and treatens everything else with DDance and Outrage. Lum Berry protects you from potential status too. Empoleon can certainly get run down but special bulk and abusing Yawn and Roar gives good turns of Leftovers recovery but Wish support goes a long way for both. Togekiss for example can safely pass Wish to Empoleon often because you wouldn't attack her with Fighting or Ground moves. If Electric is aimed at you then pass to Gliscor instead.

 

[vonK]

Mega Manectric would be an awesome partner thanks to Intimidate and Volt Turn adding great offensive pressure, it just depends if you want to use your Mega slot or not.

Gliscor fortunately can't be burned and Volt Turn does nothing and they're forced to stay in. It is very easy to stall Rotom-W out of Hydro Pump's PP with Sub/Protect or even Sub alone since Hydro Pump IS only 80% accurate. and Toxic can help. Knock Off removes Leftovers or Chesto Berry meaning it'll stay asleep if it tries. But sure, every team needs a Rotom-W counter. Personally Mold Breaker Haxorus handles it with EQ easily and treatens everything else with DDance and Outrage. Lum Berry protects you from potential status too. Empoleon can certainly get run down but special bulk and abusing Yawn and Roar gives good turns of Leftovers recovery but Wish support goes a long way for both. Togekiss for example can safely pass Wish to Empoleon often because you wouldn't attack her with Fighting or Ground moves. If Electric is aimed at you then pass to Gliscor instead.

Fair enough, I forgot that Hydro Pump can be so easily PP-stalled. One hydro pump from Rotom is pretty much guaranteed to kill Gliscor from my experience though, so investing in speed may be a good idea.

I also had an interesting Core idea: M-Venusaur, Heatran and Greninja

M-Venusaur and Heatran have nearly perfect type synergy. Heatran loves eating fire attacks and ice attacks and has no problem with strong Flying or Psychic attacks, meaning it resists everything M-venusaur has problems with in addition to it resisting almost everything that hits M-Venusaur for neutral. M-Venusaur meanwhile eats up spore and leech seed along with water/electric/fighting attacks. The only types that aren't resisted by at least one of them are Dark, Ghost, Rock and Ground. Gliscor, Togekiss and Mandibuzz make a nice fourth member of this core as a result (Gliscor also helps by absorbing paralysis, which neither of the other two particularly enjoy). If those two are tanks then Greninja could be considered Anti-Aircraft guns. Greninja is a great offensive pokemon but I'd say its most under-looked feature is its ability to check almost any unboosted offensive threat not packing priority/scarf, I like him best as a stall-breaker breaker. He trashes basically anything the Venusaur-Heatran Core has trouble with not named Mega-Lucario or E-speed Dragonite, especially Gengar and Alakazam with a broken Sash. Ice Beam/Hydro Pump/Dark Pulse are a must. The last slot is free for Grass Knot/HP Fire/U-turn depending on what you're really have trouble with. Stealth Rock/Volt-turn support are also really nice, as they ensure OHKO's a lot of the time and keep him from wearing down.

 

[Shroomisaur]

What an amazing small duo. Here is perfect type synergy. Empoleon is only weak to Fighting, Ground and Electric. Gliscor is immune to TWO of those and eats physical Fighting moves for breakfast. Gliscor is only weak to Water and Ice and Empoleon resists Water and 4x resists Ice which is great because those are aimed at Gliscor the most. The two are bulky on both ends of the spectrum combined and do an amazing job of resetting the battlefield with Defog while getting their rocks off (up. whatever) as well as phasing with Roar/Yawn, spreading status with Toxic or Scald, removing items with Knock Off and preventing walls and set up mom with Taunt. All the while Gliscor is also able to soak up any status aimed at either of them and neither are weak to rocks, Empoleon resists in fact. I'm still trying to settle on the right EV spread and the perfect set of moves. These two can really pave the way for someone like Charizard

I actually use that duo but with Lando-T instead of Gliscor, and with Mega Manectric as well. The type synergy between Lando-T and Empoleon is obvious, but then you add in the delicious double-Intimidate Volt-Turn core of Lando-T and Manectric and you have my favorite post-bank trio.

 

[Ajwf]

The issue with that core is it is going to get worn down a bit too easy. It looks like you could run bulky offense with that, but charizard-y is probably going to blast anything in that core, or any levitating/flying fire pokes. Volcarona could do huge damage, as well, neutral EQ and outspeeding empoleon. The issue is, the team is so good at walling off physical types, special types will blast through.

 

[SomeDrunkRockLee]

Lucario @ Lucarionite
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 HP / 130 Atk / 126 SpA
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SpD)

-Close Combat
-Crunch
-Vacuum Wave
-Flash Cannon

I'm not 100% sure about the Lucario build yet. One of the problems with the set is that if he doesn't get the Baton Pass from Drifblim, or if he gets PHazed, he becomes a lot less threatening. Going 100% physical w/ Swords Dance would allow him to switch in without Drifblim's support, but the trade-off is that he loses the awesome coverage of the mixed set.

All right. For the lucario set, flash cannon isn't the most useful; almost all fairies have better special defense than physical defense, so you'd be better off going for a physical steel type move, such as bullet punch. Rock and ice are destroyed by fighting anyway, so no need to fret about that. Additionally, the fairies who have better physically defensive builds (namely Klefki) are neutral to your STAB anyway.

I'd go for swords dance/extremespeed > Vacuum Wave and just go physical; it allows you to invest more EVS into a single stat (although you really should invest in Speed, it's one of Mega Lucario's greatest Strengths), as well as function outside. You really don't need special attacks, since this Lucario will be able to break through physical walls anyway with its now giant attack stat.

However, you might try MegaKhan instead of MegaLuc. While it doesn't resist as many of the other's weaknesses, it has defenses which are much superior and ungodly powerful attacks in return, earthquake, and sucker punch. I feel that Khan could abuse the boosts better and complete the pass more reliably... until it goes uber xD

 

[SomeoneStoleTheNameIWant]

I actually use that duo but with Lando-T instead of Gliscor, and with Mega Manectric as well. The type synergy between Lando-T and Empoleon is obvious, but then you add in the delicious double-Intimidate Volt-Turn core of Lando-T and Manectric and you have my favorite post-bank trio.

Someone's got an RMT just like that (Emperor Core, I think) and it's pretty solid.

 

[Jaroda]

The issue with that core is it is going to get worn down a bit too easy. It looks like you could run bulky offense with that, but charizard-y is probably going to blast anything in that core, or any levitating/flying fire pokes. Volcarona could do huge damage, as well, neutral EQ and outspeeding empoleon. The issue is, the team is so good at walling off physical types, special types will blast through.

Empoleon is of the specially bulky variety and has Stealth Rock which is a huge help against most of those threats and fortunately the small core is only 1/3 of a potential team. Many bulky Dragons provide Grass, Fire and Water resists. Goodra for example. May even run a fast Latios with HP Rock specifically for those threats so good heads up.

 

[Thorwing]

Small but effective Gen VI duo, a lot of possibilities for a third mon. Pangoro just syncs so well with Aegislash. Pangoro has 3 weaknesses in the form of Fairy, fight and flying. Aegislash eats it all for breakfast. Pangoro also walls 2 (Dark and ghost) out of 4 weaknesses (ground and fire) Aegislash has so it's kind of a switch duo. Parting shot, which lowers both attack stats, into a defensive stance Aegislash and you got yourself a free SD/Automatize.

 

[DukeofFortuneMan]

what would be a good third pokemon to complement that core (pre-bank)? i tried those two before and i had a hard time finding good pokemon to complement them

Maybe test Amoonguss? Switches into their primary weaknesses, which is nice, Gyarados can switch into fire and Manectric can switch into flying, both hurt Talonflame, who would otherwise rock Amoongus pretty hard. It's a special wall plus two pokemon on intimidate, which is hilarious, and Spore helps cover a lot of people who aren't threatened by paralysis. Also, regenerator promotes the constant switching that intimidate likes.

 

[Punchshroom]

To be fair, it is well known that almost any Dark-type synergizes well with Aegislash, I myself having posted a Hydreigon + Aegislash as a wallbreaker + sweeper core earlier, with either member capable of taking on either role.

 

[Thorwing]

To be fair, it is well known that almost any Dark-type synergizes well with Aegislash, I myself having posted a Hydreigon + Aegislash as a wallbreaker + sweeper core earlier, with either member capable of taking on either role.

true, but I like the extra option of parting shot + aegislash stance dance. makes aegislash exceptionally bulky

 

[Shadyx3]

Not sure if this core was mentioned before but, at least on paper, this core looks quite stable.

In order for mawile to be utilized as a decent wallbreaker its worries have to be covered. Its only weaknesses, namely fire and ground, are being eclipsed by togekiss and gastrodon. Furthermore mawile's speed happens to be the main reason for its restrained power waiting to be unleashed. With togekiss being capable of paralyzing by either body slam or thunder wave after luring out things that wall or hurt mawile, this disadvantage is being covered as well. Gastrodon pretty much deals with pokes like rotom and such while being able to spread toxic or burn like back when leprosy was a thing to be afraid of. Of this circumstance mawile profits by being able to clean up the mess with or without swords dance.

 

[DontStealMyPenguin]

Chansey + trevenant/gourgeist super works very nicely.

 

[Tom Delonge]

Yep, another FWG core. They cover each others weakness, but lets see it deeper.
Talonflame suffers from Rock, Water and Electric; Breelom resists to all of them.
Breelom suffers from Fire, Flying, Fairy, Ice, Psychic and Poison; Talon resists to Fire, Fairy, Ice and the Mega Form of Gyara is immune to Psychic.
Gyarados (considering both his normal and his ME form) is weak to Electric, Rock, Bug, Grass, Fighting and Fairy; thanks to Talon and Breloom I'm able to cover all these weaknesses.
What do you guys think about this core?

 

[Mulligan]

idk. With a little support (not hard to find) Rotom-W, the #1 used Pokemon currently, beats....all of them :/

 

[Tathens]

Yep, another FWG core. They cover each others weakness, but lets see it deeper.
Talonflame suffers from Rock, Water and Electric; Breelom resists to all of them.
Breelom suffers from Fire, Flying, Fairy, Ice, Psychic and Poison; Talon resists to Fire, Fairy, Ice and the Mega Form of Gyara is immune to Psychic.
Gyarados (considering both his normal and his ME form) is weak to Electric, Rock, Bug, Grass, Fighting and Fairy; thanks to Talon and Breloom I'm able to cover all these weaknesses.
What do you guys think about this core?

Eh. Stealth Rock will hurt 2/3 of your core if Gyara isn't mega. Either way, switching in and out with this core will slowly dent it. Yes, it looks good on paper, but in real-time situation, I don't know how well it works out.

For instance, let's say I have a Gengar (who runs Tbolt and Dazzling Gleam; very common). Stealth Rocks are up. I switch in my Gengar to your Gyara or Talonflame. I will hit you with a Thunderbolt. You fear the thunderbolt so you switch to Breloom. Breloom being slow, I hit ya with a Dazzling Gleam. Switching Tflame or Gyara (to attempt to revenge kill by Mega Evolving) you lose a lot of stealth rocks are up. Even if stealth rocks are up, Talonflame can hit hard with Brave Bird, but Stealth Rocks + Recoil is going to hurt ya.

Again, looks good on paper because of their immunities/resistances, but when it all comes down to the real deal, idk.

 

[Tom Delonge]

Mhh yeah you guys are right. I wrote (as you said) this core down on paper quickly without testing (because PS was crashing) so it may not be good in "real" battles.
Moreover I find it lacking on the "defensive" side.. Maybe breelom is not the best partner. Would Amoongus works better in your opinion?

 

[realwestonprice]

Not sure if this core was mentioned before but, at least on paper, this core looks quite stable.

In order for mawile to be utilized as a decent wallbreaker its worries have to be covered. Its only weaknesses, namely fire and ground, are being eclipsed by togekiss and gastrodon. Furthermore mawile's speed happens to be the main reason for its restrained power waiting to be unleashed. With togekiss being capable of paralyzing by either body slam or thunder wave after luring out things that wall or hurt mawile, this disadvantage is being covered as well. Gastrodon pretty much deals with pokes like rotom and such while being able to spread toxic or burn like back when leprosy was a thing to be afraid of. Of this circumstance mawile profits by being able to clean up the mess with or without swords dance.

I have actually used Gastrodon/M.Mawile pretty well together in the way you've described. I haven't considered adding a Togekiss into the mix but it's something I think I'll try it out!

 

[Celon]

I see more people are using Talonflame as part of their cores. You are wrong though, in Talonflame resisting Ice, as it is actually neutral to it, but Mega Gyarados resists it. The one flaw I see with this core though is the weakness to opposing Talonflame and Azumarill. Azumarill can take a few hits from Talonflame and Gyarados and OHKO them with Waterfall and Pay Rough, respectively. If Sticky Web is on the field, it's over for Breloom too. Talonflame is only checked by Gyarados due to Intimidate, and if your Gyarados has Moxie instead, you'e not gonna enjoy the Brave Bird.