Sorta FGW? Team 2

B3N

B3N

Well this is my second team and I feel like I have a much better grasp of teambuilding thanks to the community/guides here and on Pokemon Showdown.

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First I wanted to build a team around Aegislash because everyone talks about how amazing he is and I wanted to see for myself how good he was, I also needed a decent offensive Pokemon to build my team around.

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Next I knew he was very weak to fire and ground, but decided to go with Heatran for the fire immunity as well as compliment Aegislash's physical attacks with Heatran's special.

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Since they both have a big weakness to ground I searched around for a while and found a Pokemon that could sponge special attacks, is immune to ground and is a great revenge killer, Latios.

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With a physical attacker, special attacker and revenge killer/special wall(ish) I needed a physical wall and I went for arguably the best one in the game, Ferrothorn.

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The last spot that I really chose was actually completely arbitrary, I got swept by a Mega-Gyrados and I needed a Mega (Preferably one that was water for a solid FGW core). It turned out fairly well because he's a great cleanup crew especially after 2 DD.

The last spot is actually why I am making this thread, I've tried Sableye, Cresselia, Dusclops w/ eviolite, Sylveon, Gliscor and most recently Mandibuzz and nothing seems to be any good with the rest of the team and is only there to suicide Defog/support/heal if it's fast enough. So on to the actual pokemon.

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Aegislash @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- King's Shield
Mixed Aegislash is amazing and since he requires no set up he can switch in with ease and destroys the opponent shadow ball is the main damaging move and Shadow sneak is to finish them off, while sacred sword hits anything that is immune to ghosts.

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Heatran is probably my most used Pokemon, if I send out Ferrothorn most of the time they switch in a Pokemon with a fire type move, ground type, or fighting. If I predict correctly I can usually get a flash fire bonus and avoid a super effective ground type attack. Heatran also lures out Gliscor who can wall both my sweepers so HP Ice takes care out that. I don't like Air Balloon on him because I never switch into a ground attack and leftovers is better for keeping him able to absorb fire attacks.

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Latios @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Draco Meteor
No longer my revenge killer, Latios is just a general coverage special attacker. I've considered using recover but not exactly to sure on the moveset here.

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Dragonite @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head
- Dragon Claw
- ExtremeSpeed
Dragonite is my revenge killer and offers important resistances to Fire and Fighting as well as the immunity to ground. Suggestions on the Moveset would be appreciated.

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Ferrothorn (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Leech Seed
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
Go to lead and physical wall. Stab gyro ball hits hard if Ferrothorn gets paralyzed and SR is a standard hazard to make it that much harder for them to get in Charizard/Volcanora/Talonflame. Leech Seed to hamper sweeps and provide regen and Thunder Wave to be a pest.

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Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
This is probably the most randomly placed Pokemon on my team but it works very well. I can usually take out things that threaten Gyarados with the other Pokemon and switch in Gyarados to get a DD when they only have a few Pokemon left. After 2 DD he is mostly unstoppable.

I am open to suggestions on how to make the team better. Thanks ^.^
 
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Latios naturally has Thunderbolt, so why run Hidden Power Electric? On Latios, if he's a revenge killer, you might want to consider Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse. This depends on you though. Draco Meteor to reliable revenge kill a greater variety of things, or Dragon Pulse to stay in for multiple rounds.

Also, to replace Mandibuzz, I would suggest Dragonite. He synergizes well with the rest of your team, resisting Fire and Fighting, and is immune to Ground, the latter two which your team has trouble with. He might give a 4x weakness to Ice, but Heatran and Gyarados can take care of ice attacks. I'd recommend a set of Dragon Dance/Earthquake/Dragon Claw/Extremespeed, although you might want to switch out Dragon Dance since you already have a set up sweeper.

If you do use Dragonite, however, you'd have 4 physical attackers and only 2 special attackers. To balance it out, you could switch Aegislash to a special or mixed set.

Alternatively, you could use Salamence, who has the same typing and can easily run a mixed set.

I would keep Gyarados, as he synergizes with your team well. On his set, you might want to replace Iron Head with Substitute, allowing him to set up easier, or Stone Edge, for coverage. If you are worried about Fairy types, you could put Flash Cannon/Iron Head on Aegislash or Flash Cannon on Heatran over Ancient Power.

For Heatran, I'd recommend replacing Ancient Power. Although it deals with Talonflame, you could run something with more general Utility, such as Will-O-Wisp, especially if you put Stone Edge on Gyarados. Talonflame barely does any damage with Brave Bird (~25%), and you can 2-3HKO it with Flamethrower. If you are running a purely offensive Heatran with 252 SpA/ 252 Spe, Fire Blast > Flamethrower. This also allows to 2HKO Talonflame with Fire Blast after Brave Bird recoil. However, this is up to you. Also, when facing a Bulk Up or Swords Dance Talonflame, remember that you can OHKO with Earth Power when it uses Roost. Your current set definitely is fine, but you might want to consider these tweaks.

Good Team!
 
Kevun said:
Latios naturally has Thunderbolt, so why run Hidden Power Electric? On Latios, if he's a revenge killer, you might want to consider Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse. This depends on you though. Draco Meteor to reliable revenge kill a greater variety of things, or Dragon Pulse to stay in for multiple rounds.

Also, to replace Mandibuzz, I would suggest Dragonite. He synergizes well with the rest of your team, resisting Fire and Fighting, and is immune to Ground, the latter two which your team has trouble with. He might give a 4x weakness to Ice, but Heatran and Gyarados can take care of ice attacks. I'd recommend a set of Dragon Dance/Earthquake/Dragon Claw/Extremespeed, although you might want to switch out Dragon Dance since you already have a set up sweeper.

If you do use Dragonite, however, you'd have 4 physical attackers and only 2 special attackers. To balance it out, you could switch Aegislash to a special or mixed set.

Alternatively, you could use Salamence, who has the same typing and can easily run a mixed set.

I would keep Gyarados, as he synergizes with your team well. On his set, you might want to replace Iron Head with Substitute, allowing him to set up easier, or Stone Edge, for coverage. If you are worried about Fairy types, you could put Flash Cannon/Iron Head on Aegislash or Flash Cannon on Heatran over Ancient Power.

For Heatran, I'd recommend replacing Ancient Power. Although it deals with Talonflame, you could run something with more general Utility, such as Will-O-Wisp, especially if you put Stone Edge on Gyarados. Talonflame barely does any damage with Brave Bird (~25%), and you can 2-3HKO it with Flamethrower. If you are running a purely offensive Heatran with 252 SpA/ 252 Spe, Fire Blast > Flamethrower. This also allows to 2HKO Talonflame with Fire Blast after Brave Bird recoil. However, this is up to you. Also, when facing a Bulk Up or Swords Dance Talonflame, remember that you can OHKO with Earth Power when it uses Roost. Your current set definitely is fine, but you might want to consider these tweaks.

Good Team!
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Thanks for all the advice, I realized about Latios's Thunderbolt shortly after I posted this and changed it, I just wasn't thinking :P. I took most of your advice, but what is a good mixed Salamance set?
I updated it with the changes and it works very well
 
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For Salamence, I don't have much experience with him myself, but I recommend running Earthquake over Crunch, as it has better coverage overall.
 
Kevun said:
For Salamence, I don't have much experience with him myself, but I recommend running Earthquake over Crunch, as it has better coverage overall.
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I ended up running Draco Meteor, Fire Blas, Outrage, EQ. Just a standard MixedMence set until I figure out what I need to cover with him better.
 
For Gyrados, I would strongly suggest Substitute > Earthquake. gyrados forces Switches and it's really helpful for getting two DDances

Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge

Waterfall + Stone Edge Covers Everything Bar 5 or 6 Uncommon Pokemon
 
Dirty Bum said:
For Gyrados, I would strongly suggest Substitute > Earthquake. gyrados forces Switches and it's really helpful for getting two DDances

Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge

Waterfall + Stone Edge Covers Everything Bar 5 or 6 Uncommon Pokemon
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I mainly use EQ for Rotom-W, does Stonedge OHKO Rotom-W? If it does I'll definitely switch.
 
B3N said:
I mainly use EQ for Rotom-W, does Stonedge OHKO Rotom-W? If it does I'll definitely switch.
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Bulky Rotoms Will most Likely Will o Wisp You, And You can block it with A Sub.

Specially Defence:
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 257-303 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Physically Defence:
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 187-221 (61.5 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

While:
4 SpA Rotom-W Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 128-152 (38.5 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Scarf Rotom (or rotoms without Bulk) Are OHKOed

No Bulk:
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 257-303 (106.1 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO


The sub is definitely worth a move slot
 
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Dirty Bum said:
Bulky Rotoms Will most Likely Will o Wisp You, And You can block it with A Sub.

Specially Defence:
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 257-303 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Physically Defence:
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 187-221 (61.5 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

While:
4 SpA Rotom-W Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 128-152 (38.5 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Scarf Rotom (or rotoms without Bulk) Are OHKOed

No Bulk:
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 257-303 (106.1 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO


The sub is definitely worth a move slot
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Alright I'll try it out.
 
There are a few easily fixable flaws I see with your team.

First, Aegislash should really have 31 speed ivs and 12 spe ev's to outspeed sassy tyranitar. You can take 12 out of attack and go w/ 240 ATT / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe. You really don't miss out on anything important reducing your attack by 3 pts.

I'd strongly recommend going w/ fire blast over flamethrower on Heatran. The extra power is more than often worth the accuracy in the case of Heatran (And fire blast in general).

Dragonite is not a good choice scarf user at all. Mostly because he is outclassed by other dragon scarf users like Latios and Garchomp. Also, he has access to priority in extreme speed and speed-boosting in dragon dance, meaning he does not need a scarf to be a revenge killer or late-game sweeper. I would suggest either going w/ a choice band set or d-dance set. Since you already have a d-dance user, I would recommend this:
move 1: Outrage/Dragon Claw
move 2: Extreme Speed
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: ThunderPunch/Fire Punch
ability: Multiscale
item: Choice Band
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 Def / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Choice Band boosted ES can pick off a lot of frail sweepers or finish off what aegislash could not. It also does a better job at weakening Latios and Gyrardos checks such as ferrothorn, and it is just a great wallbreaker in general.

Another idea would to replace ice beam or shadow ball on latios for defog, in order to keep dragonite's multiscale intact and bring in gyrardos at full health. However, your team doesn't absolutely need stealth rock removal and sure as hell doesn't care much about sticky web or spikes, so it would be only as a situational option and its still nice to have
 
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Should I run still run a speed hindering nature on aegislash? I'll try your other suggestions to.
 
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