XY OU Analysis Reservation Index - READ CAREFULLY (MAKING A NEW THREAD)

I will take Raikou provided that Skrtel does not wish to take it.

(If you do want to take it skrtel just vm me before Thursday and I'll let you have it. If not I shall start the thread Thursday, I'll let Fuzznip know if you want it.)
 
I'd like to request that Donphan's analysis be reinstated. Yes, it's kinda bad, but it's still OU. I made a case for this yesterday on IRC, but I honestly think that every Pokemon that sees OU usage needs an OU analysis. First of all, as Chou Toshio pointed out in Infernape's thread, every fully evolved Pokemon needs an analysis, even if it's not even good in the tier that it resides in (i.e. Sandslash, Wormadam, Dusknoir, even BW and XY Donphan). Literally the only way that Donphan is going to even get an analysis is if we give it an OU one. Another point I'd like to bring up is that our analyses are designed not just to advise players on how to use a Pokemon in the metagame, but also to advise them on how to play against it. Newer players often rely on our analyses to learn about counterplays to common Pokemon, and thus if we remove an analysis altogether, they won't have that advice. Now, I know that Donphan isn't the kind of Pokemon that you struggle to find a definite counter to, but there still are good ways and bad ways to play against one. These good and bad ways may be obvious to an experienced player, but experienced players aren't the primary target audience of the analyses; newer players are. The analysis will no doubt be pretty negative, but a negative analysis is better than no analysis at all.
 
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Hi

I don't know if I can do this as it is in completed, but would it be OK for me to reserve Skarmory, please respond ASAP so I know weather to spend time writing it or not
 
gamer boy said:
Hi

I don't know if I can do this as it is in completed, but would it be OK for me to reserve Skarmory, please respond ASAP so I know weather to spend time writing it or not
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Completed means just that, the analysis has already been completed by another user. Therefore it cannot be reserved.
 
TRC. said:
Completed means just that, the analysis has already been completed by another user. Therefore it cannot be reserved.
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ah. ok. I won't do reserve it then
Just so I know, roughly when will it become possible to reserve completed pokemon, or by that point will you no longer need to reserve pokemon due to the demand for new analysis going down?
 
gamer boy said:
ah. ok. I won't do reserve it then
Just so I know, roughly when will it become possible to reserve completed pokemon, or by that point will you no longer need to reserve pokemon due to the demand for new analysis going down?
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No, you can't reserve something that has been completed, ever, because it has already been finished by another user, therefore there is no need for it to be written again.
 
eventually updates will occur, but for now, we are just getting the first xy analyses. there will be more opportunities later on.
 
I know it got rejected earlier, but I'd like to have it reevaluated. It has a really great Speed tier where it is barely out sped by anything that isn't scarfed. It's resists Bullet Punch, as well as Talonflame's Brave Bird, and Mega Pinsir's Quick Attack. Because of Jolteon's Speed, it can OHKO a lot of common threats. The only problem I find is that it's forced to run Choice Specs to deal a a significant amount of damage for OHKO's on many common threats, and it can really only come out for revenge kills.

Calcs:

+2 252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 161-189 (59.1 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 177-209 (65 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 181-213 (66.5 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 180-213 (66.1 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 530-626 (177.8 - 210%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 348-410 (116.7 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pinsir: 428-506 (157.3 - 186%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 470-554 (116.3 - 137.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 352-416 (108.6 - 128.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rocks

Notable fast Pokemon it out speeds:
Talonflame, Greninja, Mega Pinsir, Gengar, Infernape, Garchomp, Keldeo, Dragonite at +1

Thanks to Volt Absorb it can come out of Electric-type moves such as Volt Switch, and gain some lost health.

Of course it can out speed many other threats, and possibly OHKO them, but I just wanted to list Pokemon that are relevent that Jolteon can take down.
I'm not sure if it's outclassed by anything, but I just wanted to throw this out there.
 
shadowyoshi64 said:
I know it got rejected earlier, but I'd like to have it reevaluated. It has a really great Speed tier where it is barely out sped by anything that isn't scarfed. It's resists Bullet Punch, as well as Talonflame's Brave Bird, and Mega Pinsir's Quick Attack. Because of Jolteon's Speed, it can OHKO a lot of common threats. The only problem I find is that it's forced to run Choice Specs to deal a a significant amount of damage for OHKO's on many common threats, and it can really only come out for revenge kills.

Calcs:

+2 252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 161-189 (59.1 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 177-209 (65 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 181-213 (66.5 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 180-213 (66.1 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 530-626 (177.8 - 210%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 348-410 (116.7 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pinsir: 428-506 (157.3 - 186%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 470-554 (116.3 - 137.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 352-416 (108.6 - 128.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rocks

Notable fast Pokemon it out speeds:
Talonflame, Greninja, Mega Pinsir, Gengar, Infernape, Garchomp, Keldeo, Dragonite at +1

Thanks to Volt Absorb it can come out of Electric-type moves such as Volt Switch, and gain some lost health.

Of course it can out speed many other threats, and possibly OHKO them, but I just wanted to list Pokemon that are relevent that Jolteon can take down.
I'm not sure if it's outclassed by anything, but I just wanted to throw this out there.
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There's really no reason to use Jolteon over Mega Manectric, Thundurus-I, Thundurus-T, or really most special attackers. Jolteon no longer launches perfectly accurate Thunders, which is a significant nerf. Also, the generation has moved away from speed and gone towards bulk, priority, and power, none of which Jolteon has. On top of this, Jolteon was D to C- rank last Gen, so I can hardly imagine why it would be viable now.
 
Jukain said:
raikou >>> jolt

av raikou beats greninja leagues better than jolteon. everything else, it outruns.
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True, but Greninja would still go first and use U-turn, which it can't do on Jolteon. Also, a Talonflame with Choice Band can do a large amount of damage to Raikou with Flare Blitz, or also get hit by a U-turn. Raikou also doesn't have Volt Absorb yet, so it can't absorb a Volt Switch.

Pokemon that out speed Raikou (at max Speed) but not Jolteon:

Alakazam, Greninja, Dugtrio, Noivern, Weavile, Talonflame, +1 Dragonite.

It might not be much, but there is some merit of using Jolteon over Raikou.

Side note: Mega Manectric forfeits an item, and both Thundurus formes are Stealth Rock weak.
 
Jolteon isn't getting an analysis. There is absolutely zero reason to use it. That's just a fact and I'd rather you not try to fight it.
 
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Even if Donphan wasn't OU by usage it would still deserve an analysis. With AV, it makes for an ok Aegislash check and his physical bulk is great, which means that it can find some chances to use Rapid Spin and check some threats. Also, it has Knock Off and STAB EQ, which beat the the two most common Ghost-types, so it's not like its ineffective at spinning. Yeah, Excadrill is better in most cases, but Donphan does have its advantages, namely great physical bulk, lack of Fighting, Ground, and Fire weaknesses (so it deal with Mega Charizard X, Aegislash, and Terrakion, etc better), Ice Shard, and Knock Off.
 
Would it be OK if I reserved Wigglytuff? It is viable now as it has Competitive which is a special-equivilant of Defiant - the reason why Bisharp is now OU. This enables it to take advantage of the opponent's sticky web as it's not going to be outpacing much with it's middling speed anyway, and it can hit back with powerful Dazzeling Gleams, Hyper Voices, Fire Blasts and Hidden Power Grounds.

I won't complain if you say no, but I feel it's retype and access to Competitive to abuse Sticky Web is enough to warrent it's use when paired with it's amazing base 140 HP and the buff it got to it's special attack stat.
 
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