Pokémon Latios

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I can probably chalk this up to just being new to smogon, but I have a question....

Why is everyone acting like Recover isn't a thing? They both learn it by level up.

EDIT: I was looking at an old movelist by accident, ignore what I was saying about Roost.
 
Hibiki said:
Mixed or DD M-Latios WILL be a major threat. I assure you. When I first saw the stats I thought M-Latios at least would end up uber. We'll see though.
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LO Latios hits harder than mega-Latios, just sayin'. I think Mega-Latias will probably be pretty big and mega Latios probably won't see too much usage, though I guess it could still pull off a DD set thanks to it's better bulk.
 
LO Latios hits harder than mega-Latios, just sayin'. I think Mega-Latias will probably be pretty big and mega Latios probably won't see too much usage, though I guess it could still pull off a DD set thanks to it's better bulk.
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Why people act like the LO recoil isn't an issue.

You can lose games just from that, also the overall bulk increase is nothing short of great.

BOTH twins are gonna be an issue when they come out. Make no mistake.
 
There's that Pokemon. It has higher base SpA than normal Mewtwo, is Dragon-type, has another type that's pretty bad defensively, and even an Attack stat that could be considered really good. Unfortunately, it's kinda, relatively slow, since things like Staraptor have higher base speed.
I am talking, of course, about Kyurem-W, because Mega Latios isn't that slow. Barring a much higher HP stat (125 as opposed to Mega Latios's 80), 10 more points of SpA, and the ability to actually hold a real item and not take up the mega slot, it actually has worse stats. I don't really know the movepools of the two, but I don't think Kyurems get really good moves. Both Pokemon probably get some appropriate special attacks, and both get Roost. Latios doesn't take 25% from SR and levitates and resists Fighting, but it isn't neutral to Dark and Ghost, but doesn't care about Knock Off too much due to being a Mega.

I apologize for speaking up - I'm actually pretty ignorant in terms of everything you do here. Just trying to show some positive perspective here.
 
Latias @ Leftovers
Timid
252 HP/4 Sp. Atk/ 252 Speed

-Dragon Pulse
-Defog
-Recover
-Healing Wish

Can someone tell me if my set is alright or not? I was going to go with a Calm nature, but all I see is people running Timid with Defog Latias.
 
Does anyone else think Latios is an amazing revenge killer if you slap a scarf on it? It has the speed to outspeed virtually ANY non-scarfed mon and has plenty of power to back it up.
252+ SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 576-678 (160.89 - 189.38%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Salamence: 674-794 (203.62 - 239.87%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 402-474 (110.43 - 130.21%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It even has Psyshock to hit Blissey for a decent amount of damage on the switch-in...
252+ SpA Latios Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 285-336 (43.71 - 51.53%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
Eh, Garchomp does that better. I really don't like giving free switch-ins to pursuit-trappers...

Anyway, I've posted this before in the Lure thread, but HP Fighting on Latios is just marvelous. Baits the extremely obvious Bisharp switch-in and one-shots it, so you can Defog with little consequence.
 
SnoopysWorld said:
Latias @ Leftovers
Timid
252 HP/4 Sp. Atk/ 252 Speed

-Dragon Pulse
-Defog
-Recover
-Healing Wish

Can someone tell me if my set is alright or not? I was going to go with a Calm nature, but all I see is people running Timid with Defog Latias.
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The Timid Latias you're seeing is probably this:

Latias @ Life Orb
Timid | 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SDef
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Defog
- Healing Wish / Recover

Aren't you finding your set underwhelming in terms of... overall viability? I mean, Dragon Pulse is somewhat weak, while it looks like it's indecisive on whether it wants to support itself or its teamates. Healing Wish is preferred if you want to support your team. Otherwise, Recover for more staying power. Draco Meteor kills things, period. Psyshock is somewhat filler; it's flexible with a lot of other moves, change as you deem fit for your team's needs.
 
Alexxi said:
Mega Latias looks the same as mega latios xD. Anyway, if these two megas are confirmed, then Mega Latias would be really good as the bulk is high and the typing is just.. awesome. Dragon/Fairy on Latias would give it such a great defensive boon.
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If you're talking about those "leaks", they were false. Both are still Dragon/Psychic and still have Levitate as their ability in Mega Form.
 
Honestly, I don't see the big hpye with the mega lati twins. I've seen some people actually use it in game, yet these pokemon aren't confirmed to even exist.
 
Alright, here is a MUTANT post about this I made a thread about but was closed. May as well post it here.


Recently, around Feb 20 a group of professional hackers (Same peeps who brought you PokeGen) have Lcome back again and hacked the Mega Latis into the game. CLEARLY confirming them. We have also obtained proper Mega Stats for the latis as well. First. Latios.
Latios:
Hp: 80
Atk: 90
Def: 80
SpAtk: 130
SpDef: 110
Spd: 110
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dragon/Psychic
BST: 600

MEGA LATIOS
Hp: 80 (+0)
Atk: 130 (+40)
Def: 100 (+20)
SpAtk: 160 (+30)
SpDef: 120 (+10)
Spd: 110 (+0)
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dragon/Psychic
BST: 700

Latias:
Hp: 80
Atk: 80
Def: 90
SpAtk: 110
SpDef: 130
Spd: 110
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dragon/Psychic
BST: 600

MEGA LATIAS
Hp: 80 (+0)
Atk: 100 (+20)
Def: 120 (+30)
SpAtk: 140 (+10)
SpDef: 150 (+20)
Spd: 110 (+0)
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dragon/Psychic
BST: 700

Seeing this, we can clearly confirm all the rumors about Dragon/Fairy + Multiscale Mega Latias and Adaptability Mega Latios are false. Both have the same BST increase in their mega forms (+100)
And with these stat loadouts, we can actually use some sweet sets. I'm going to give 2 examples of sets for each mega, make very brief summaries, and THEN YOO DISCUSS!

Mega Latios

Dragon Dance
Latios, Item: Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
Evs: 4 HP, 252 Atk 252 Spd
Nature: Jolly, Adamant
Moves:
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
It may look like a dumb idea, but its completely viable with ML's amazing 130 Atk and Above Average Speed of 110, giving ML some edge over Megazard. (Oh man I really wish the adaptability thing was true, this set would be a monster TT^TT) Since all Steel types wall Latios's STABS like a MOFO. We have to add the amazing coverage Earthquake. Since it has GREAT attack and perfect accuracy.
Pros:
Strong and Good Coverage
+10 base speed over megazard X
Basic and unpredictable
Cons:
Walled like crap by Skarmory ETC
Is vulnerable with Latios's somewhat frail defenses on Setup turn
6 Weaknesses make the above worse to deal with


Wallbreaker
Latios, Item: Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
Evs: 4 HP, 252 SpAtk, 252 Spd
Nature: Timid, Modest
- Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Simply what Latios does best, wallbreaking! The only hood this has over Choice Specs Latios (Or Scarf if you like Revenge Killing Latios like meh /)^3^(\) is to have the free will to use different attacks and have no recoil from Life Orb.
Pros:
No Life Orb Recoil
Free will to choose your attacks differently
More Bulk than both
Cons:
Weaker than Life Orb Set
Is outspeed by many things in OU and if using DM, is vulnerable
MUCH weaker than Choice Specs Set

Mega Latias
Basic CM
Latias, Item: Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
Evs: 252 Hp 252 Def 4 SpAtk
Nature: Bold
Moves:
- Recover/Roost
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Dragon Pulse
Alright, here is basic set up for a few turns than kill for the rest of the game set. With the monstrous defenses that come with the Mega Latias, she becomes a sweeping TANK. With a KILLER 120 Def and 150 SpDef. Heavily invested defense and crazy SpDef after CM makes her unkillable after 2 Calm Minds.
Pros:
Powerful 140 SpAtk with CM makes it enormous
Amazing 80/120/150 makes her a tank

Cons:
6 Weaknesses
STABS walled by Steel Types
Still vulnerable when setting up


Tank
Latias, Item: Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
Evs: 252 HP 252 SpAtk 4 Def
Nature: Modest
Moves:
- Roost/Recover/Defog
- Hidden Power Fire
- Psyshock/Psychic
- Draco Meteor
This seems pretty identical just with HP Fire and Draco instead of DP, however it is much different. Since Latias is a tank here, she'll need a strong Stab in Psychic or Draco for brute force. PLUS, Reliable Recovery is much needed on tanks. Since Latias has both Recover and Roost, its optional on which you pick. Or if you have problems with hazards, Defog is great too.
Pros:
Is nice and powerful, can deal loads of damage with strong STABS
Reliable Recovery to tank all over again
Is able to cover with HP Fire for final slot

Cons:
With Defog, she can be taken out in executive hits
6 Weaknesses to endure
Not much Physical investment

Well, there you have it. Let's discuss, and this is ALL confirmed from the hackers. So don't say "This is fake" or other crap like that. DISCUSS LE SETS
(Remember this was a thread but was closed)
 
Dragon Dance Latios looks stupid, but it hits its counters, such as Tyranitar and Jirachi, really hard with EQ.
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To be fair, looking at Megazard X's stats, Mega Latios has better stats in places and only loses at Defense! Sure, Megazard X gets Tough Claws, that's important, but still, those two are comparable.
I'm wondering how well would a set like that work with Draco Meteor instead of something. Uninvested Meteor (but with STAB) off 160 base SpA should hurt, right? KyuBey does a similar thing with Fusion Bolt, using it uninvested while normally using its 120 base SpA to do Ice Beams and Earth Powers, and that Fusion Bolt isn't a STAB.

And while I'm bad at this, I really like the idea of something that can use Draco Meteor and not be crippled until it switches due to actually having other attacking options.
 
preserve said:
Honestly, I don't see the big hpye with the mega lati twins. I've seen some people actually use it in game, yet these pokemon aren't confirmed to even exist.
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I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you trying to talk about the viability of the Mega Lati twins, or their existence? They do exist, and they are most certainly viable because they do similar damage to Life Orb sets without having to lose HP every turn while also having better overall bulk than their normal counterparts.
 
I feel like these are now the two worse Mega Evolutions in the game, along with Mega Alakazam. What the Mega Lati's could have used a boost in was their speed, especially Latios, to outpace Noivern to become the fastest Dragon-type. I see no point at all to using Mega Latias because it does enjoy having leftover quite a bit since she does tend to me more of a defensive pokemon, even though an offensive AV set seems interesting too. I don't know, I just don't see any reason to use her with her mega stone.

Mega Latios, thanks to the attack boost, can now be a pretty powerful DD user. I used to run DD/Outrage/Waterfall/EQ with a LO to some decent success. The damage output is almost the same, except Mega-L doesn't go through any LO recoil. Other than that, I wouldn't think about using Latiosite.
 
G-Von said:
I feel like these are now the two worse Mega Evolutions in the game, along with Mega Alakazam. What the Mega Lati's could have used a boost in was their speed, especially Latios, to outpace Noivern to become the fastest Dragon-type. I see no point at all to using Mega Latias because it does enjoy having leftover quite a bit since she does tend to me more of a defensive pokemon, even though an offensive AV set seems interesting too. I don't know, I just don't see any reason to use her with her mega stone.

Mega Latios, thanks to the attack boost, can now be a pretty powerful DD user. I used to run DD/Outrage/Waterfall/EQ with a LO to some decent success. The damage output is almost the same, except Mega-L doesn't go through any LO recoil. Other than that, I wouldn't think about using Latiosite.
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Don't take offense to this, but I find your post almost false.
Mega Latias has 80/120/150 Defenses, allowing her to wall the entire metagame.
She isn't any slouch offensively either. 100/140/110 is actually mighty impressive for a CM+Recover set. While she is walled by Steel Types, she can still 2HKO with 1 or 2 CM boosts.
Mega Latios, is shmeh. He can viably use Dragon Dance now. Plus he is a more bulky variant and no recoil version of the LO set. Which is impressive. But hey, saying they're the 2 worst megas is like saying Justin Bieber's "Baby" is one of the best songs in existance.
 
TheTraininator said:
I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you trying to talk about the viability of the Mega Lati twins, or their existence? They do exist, and they are most certainly viable because they do similar damage to Life Orb sets without having to lose HP every turn while also having better overall bulk than their normal counterparts.
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I'm just saying that they haven't been confirmed by official sources and talking about it is just speculation. Anyway's if these are confirmed, then I think soul dew is probably the preferred choice even though these things are banned in OU.
 
preserve said:
I'm just saying that they haven't been confirmed by official sources and talking about it is just speculation. Anyway's if these are confirmed, then I think soul dew is probably the preferred choice even though these things are banned in OU.
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If Soul Dew is banned, then no, it cannot be the preferred choice.
 
preserve said:
I'm just saying that they haven't been confirmed by official sources and talking about it is just speculation. Anyway's if these are confirmed, then I think soul dew is probably the preferred choice even though these things are banned in OU.
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Official sources will never confirm their stats and we'll have to obtain them before getting the true stats, and we already did. There are Latiosite and Latiasite everywhere.
 
G-Von said:
I feel like these are now the two worse Mega Evolutions in the game, along with Mega Alakazam. What the Mega Lati's could have used a boost in was their speed, especially Latios, to outpace Noivern to become the fastest Dragon-type. I see no point at all to using Mega Latias because it does enjoy having leftover quite a bit since she does tend to me more of a defensive pokemon, even though an offensive AV set seems interesting too. I don't know, I just don't see any reason to use her with her mega stone.
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Are you kidding? I can understand why people think Mega Latios is a bit underwhelming, but 80/120/150 defenses for Mega Latias is absolutely INCREDIBLE. That, coupled with a monstrous 110 speed and 140 SpA, she can run offensive Calm Mind and just the thought of it is scary, and she also has good coverage and reliable recovery in Roost.
 
I haven't tried it but I thought of a mixed Latios sweeper using dragon dance.

Latios (M) @ Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Naive/Hasty Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse/Psyshock/Psychic
- Thunderbolt/Surf/Psyshock/Psychic

The idea is to use the speed boost from dragon dance to get faster and out speed faster pokes and hit hard with a big, powerful 160 base special attack stat. Should the opponent bring in Heatran or Tyranitar, you can smack them with a slightly boosted earthquake. Heatran is easily taken care of but the calc on t-tar pretty much requires some prior damage on it if you want to KO. It also serves as a good physical set bluff. Depending on what you run you can take on many different pokes.
 
This sets is gimmicky (not the bad type of gimmicky the good type)

Latias
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252HP/252SATK/4SDEF

Modest
-Reflect type
-Psyshock
-Dragon pulse
-Recover

Now i know this sounds weird but reflect type is oddly useful. With the abundance of steels out there, being able to copy that typing make latias a whole new level o bulky since most types resist its self reflect type to resist them and recover than chip them to death it works well since the opponent is forced to switch way more often than he wants to. when ur capable of wining a fight with greninja you know your set.
 
Zeta5 said:
I haven't tried it but I thought of a mixed Latios sweeper using dragon dance.

Latios (M) @ Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Naive/Hasty Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse/Psyshock/Psychic
- Thunderbolt/Surf/Psyshock/Psychic

The idea is to use the speed boost from dragon dance to get faster and out speed faster pokes and hit hard with a big, powerful 160 base special attack stat. Should the opponent bring in Heatran or Tyranitar, you can smack them with a slightly boosted earthquake. Heatran is easily taken care of but the calc on t-tar pretty much requires some prior damage on it if you want to KO. It also serves as a good physical set bluff. Depending on what you run you can take on many different pokes.
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You are missing about 248 EVs.

You need enough attack EVs to OHKO standard Bisharp and 2HKO Bulky Tyranitar, your biggest switch-ins (I don't know the exact number). This lets you kill them as they switch in.
 
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KairosKairen said:
This sets is gimmicky (not the bad type of gimmicky the good type)

Latias
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252HP/252SATK/4SDEF

Modest
-Reflect type
-Psyshock
-Dragon pulse
-Recover

Now i know this sounds weird but reflect type is oddly useful. With the abundance of steels out there, being able to copy that typing make latias a whole new level o bulky since most types resist its self reflect type to resist them and recover than chip them to death it works well since the opponent is forced to switch way more often than he wants to. when ur capable of wining a fight with greninja you know your set.
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If you absolutely need Latias to survive a match and not get owned by Pursuit trappers, this is actually a pretty decent set. Giving up a moveslot for something so situational sucks though.
 
KairosKairen said:
This sets is gimmicky (not the bad type of gimmicky the good type)

Latias
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252HP/252SATK/4SDEF

Modest
-Reflect type
-Psyshock
-Dragon pulse
-Recover

Now i know this sounds weird but reflect type is oddly useful. With the abundance of steels out there, being able to copy that typing make latias a whole new level o bulky since most types resist its self reflect type to resist them and recover than chip them to death it works well since the opponent is forced to switch way more often than he wants to. when ur capable of wining a fight with greninja you know your set.
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Have you ever used that higher on the ladder? I'm really intrigued, as I have seen Reflect Type a total of 0 times in all of the games I've ever played.
 
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