As a side note, never run Jolly Hawlucha, it's weak enough as is, and is stupidly fast after Unburden, even with Adamant.
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It definitely does have it's flaws yeah but With an item it was the only plausible flying attack move, acrobatics would still probably be better, but I found Sky Drop useful for Aegislash as it ignores the King's Shield on first turn if I recall correctly. Overall I would probably agree with you though, the weight limit does cause a fair few issues as well as power.
And the reason for jolly is it plays a different role completely to the unburden sets.
Tbh if you don't plan on losing the item right off the bat Aerial Ace would be a better option. It is just as strong as Sky Drop.
If this is an anti-lead set, you should not stay in on Aegislash anyway. The only way he should face Aegislash one-on-one is Fling+Dread Plate, but that is a completely different set anyway
If this is an anti-lead set, you should not stay in on Aegislash anyway. The only way he should face Aegislash one-on-one is Fling+Dread Plate, but that is a completely different set anyway
Agreed :) Only reason I mentioned aegislash is from one battle I managed to sweep with Hawlucha and skydrop haha.But staying in on aegislash is generally a terrible idea, although taunt would help against aegislash and keeping it in offensive stance.
Indeed, that is pretty much what you can do to an Aegislash, just Taunt and switch to an counter. On a side note I should start running Wailord to avoid getting swept by Sky Drop Hawlucha :(
(I kid, I kid :p)
Seriously? It's unreleased? Well that sucks. :(
Well it powers up your Arcobatics and can dispose of other ghost types that might block your HJK, so I won't say it does nothing completely other than that. But then of course, it is better to get rid of strong threats like Talonflame and Aegislash before attempting to sweep with Hawlucha
Not to mention, STAB Acrobatics hits harder than a super effective Fling, so there's that.
Given the general idea that Adamant is preferred over Jolly simply because of the massive speed boost from Unburden should we be looking at changing the standard EV spread for Unburden sets? Adamant means prior to Unburden you can forget out-speeding anything above base 108 you normally would that does carry a positive nature such as Starmie, Thundurus-I, Gengar, Terrakion, and Keldeo. By using 252 Speed you do, however, just barely keep a step above Garchomp, Thundurus-T, Landorus-I, and the base 100's which is actually extremely convenient. If you are only worried about your post-Unburden speed then by investing only 124 in speed you will be faster than any threats that you would realistically face like the now much less common weather boosted sweepers (Sand Rush Excadrill, Swift Swim Kingdra, Chlorophyl Venusaur) or even the fastest of Scarfers. Deoxys-S, Ninjask, Accelgor, and Electrode are the only Pokemon in existence that can hold a Scarf that would be faster, none of which you would see running that type of set. Placing less in speed would be possible but would then open you up to the possibility of the rare, but possible, Scarfed Talonflame or Noivern.
Hawlucha's niche is being able to get +2/+2 with little effort thanks to SD + Unburden, so I would say no. Unburden + removable item (power herb or focus sash or something else) is better imo
I'm wondering, would it be worth running Jolly to counter specific threats that can end your run? Off the top of my head, Timid Gengar can outspeed and OHKO Adamant variants, and Gengar is a common switchin when the opponent expects a HJK. SDing up on the switch and proceeding to sweep seems like a more potent option than having to Sky Attack before you have the power to follow through.
I started running Jolly on Hawlucha once a stray Latios outsped my Adamant one and it's power has not really been lacking, especially after a Swords Dance. I say go for it.
I have a kind of gimmick set since Flying Gem isn't in the game.
Adamant/Jolly, 252 atk, 252 spd, 4hp.
Item:King's Rock
Moveset: Fling, Roost, Acrobatics, High Jump Kick
Adamant/Jolly, 252 atk, 252 spd, 4hp.
Item:King's Rock
Moveset: Fling, Roost, Acrobatics, High Jump Kick
But flying gem isn't which is the point of discussion.
I was using this set in Battle Spot.
Hawlucha@Lum Berry
Unburden
-Acrobatics
-Roost
-HJK
-Swords Dance
252 atk 252 spe and 4 hp
Have a Klefki use Swagger so that the Lum Berry activates and then sweep.
This is a doubles sweep with my hawlucha:
N8XG-WWWW-WWW6-BED3
Tell me what you think :)
Hawlucha@Lum Berry
Unburden
-Acrobatics
-Roost
-HJK
-Swords Dance
252 atk 252 spe and 4 hp
Have a Klefki use Swagger so that the Lum Berry activates and then sweep.
This is a doubles sweep with my hawlucha:
N8XG-WWWW-WWW6-BED3
Tell me what you think :)
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Prankster Swagger+Lum Berry is not necessarily a new thing on doubles. Hawlucha does it quite well, though.
Swap SD or Roost for Rock Slide, though, so you have an area-hitting move.
I think it's time to figure out who pairs best with Hawlucha. After reading the entire thread, the only obstacles in Hawlucha's way are Talonflame (revenge kills), Aegislash (outright walls), Thundurus-I (resists dual STAB, carries priority T-Wave) and Sableye (can switch into HJK, threatens with Priority WoW). Anybody else?
A pursuit trapper would be nice for Talonflame and Aegislash until WoW from the bird or prankster cripples the trapper, King's Shield softens the escape, or Aegislash stays in to Sacred Sword the dark type.
Mega Absol's Magic Bounce removes the possibility of being shut down by WoW/T-Wave, but that doesn't prevent attack drops from King's Shield (I guess you could get around that by carrying fire blast), or even the brute force of a faster Brave Bird.
Any ideas, people?
A pursuit trapper would be nice for Talonflame and Aegislash until WoW from the bird or prankster cripples the trapper, King's Shield softens the escape, or Aegislash stays in to Sacred Sword the dark type.
Mega Absol's Magic Bounce removes the possibility of being shut down by WoW/T-Wave, but that doesn't prevent attack drops from King's Shield (I guess you could get around that by carrying fire blast), or even the brute force of a faster Brave Bird.
Any ideas, people?
Hawlucha isn't just walled by Aegeslash anymore. Thundurus, currently number one in usage, resists both STABs and even if you get Unburden it has Prankster Thunder Wave if need be, but it may as well just Thunderbolt you. Defensive Zapdos also DNGAF. Hawlucha is kind of forced to run Rock Slide, Swords Dance and max speed to naturally outspeed these two before Unburden to even live.
I did think about Tyranitar, with Flying, Fire, Ghost resistances, STAB Pursuit from base 134 attack (banded pursuit yum) and bulk that would make quite a few mons feel hard pressed to stay in, but there will always be the stray Will O Wisp from Talonflame and Sableye, the Sacred Sword from Aegislash, or the Grass Knot/Focus Blast from Thundurus-I.
Rotom-W...are you sure? Maybe in Hawlucha's case, Rotom-H would be better because it lols at burns while resisting Ice, Flying, Fairy and Electric for Hawlucha and being a true counter to the Weavile and Mamoswine who think they can revenge with ice shards (Rotom-W is prone to Freeze Dry sets).
Rotom-W...are you sure? Maybe in Hawlucha's case, Rotom-H would be better because it lols at burns while resisting Ice, Flying, Fairy and Electric for Hawlucha and being a true counter to the Weavile and Mamoswine who think they can revenge with ice shards (Rotom-W is prone to Freeze Dry sets).
I didn't even think of Rotom-H...both of them work with Hawlucha pretty well. Those are some good points about T-tar too. I wasn't really sure about him.
My best Hawlucha set in UU was Sitrus Berry with Swords Dance/High Jump Kick/Acrobatics/Rock Slide. The non-Power Herb and Substitute sets can probably afford Rock Slide if need be.
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