OU Monotype Normal: Good in fighting yet weak against the Type Fight

[Voldemin]

To give you guys a short introduction why I wanted to make this team..
Well basically I just wanted to try out the OU Monotype in Pokemon Showdown.. simple as that.. but before competing I wondered what kind of type I should choose.. and in the end I chose the normal Pokemon type.. why ? I was simply looking for something where I could use my favourite pokemon.. which is even useful.. Ditto.. this little thing which can be everything you want to be.. and since Ditto is normal I chose the Pokemon type normal.. so it wasn't necessary because I was looking for a type which has the best defense against most Pokemon types or something.. Alright so here comes my team:

Sloth (Smeargle) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 80 HP / 96 Def / 80 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Shell Smash
- Spore
- Baton Pass
- Ingrain

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Role in my team: Leader/Start Pokemon
I think it's kinda obvious when you look at my moveset etc
Basically it's role is to use Spore on the enemy pokemon -> it sleeps.. I can set up Shell Smash and if it goes well Ingrain too.. then depending of team of my enemy.. I use Baton Pass for Heliolisk etc..
Focus Sash is there so that it can at least survive 1 hit.. I have bad luck though if it faces Tyranitar or any other Pokemon which might can change the weather.. or when I try to use it in late game and hazards are in the field..

Gluttony (Chansey) @ Eviolite
Ability: Healer
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Soft-Boiled
- Protect
- Toxic
- Seismic Toss

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Role in my team: Wall
Eviolite for obvious reasons.. since it boosts the already nice def etc of my pokemon to even higher levels.. this way it withstands nearly everything..
Together with Toxic Soft-Boilet and Protect I can use Toxic on the enemy pokemon.. and gradually it loses more and more HP while I can protect myself with Protect and heal Chansey.. should it get into a critical situation..
Since Lady Luck seems to love me sometimes too.. I chose the ability Healer.. this way it ocassionally heals the status problems of my Pokemons..

Wrath (Sawsbuck) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 216 Spd / 246 Atk / 48 HP
Adamant Nature
- Horn Leech
- Return
- Jump Kick
- Megahorn

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Role in my team: Sweeper

Equipped with Life Orb which is supposed to increase its power as sweeper in exchange for some HP.. but no pain no gain..
Return for Stab.. Jump Kick for other Monotype Normal Teams.. Megahorn against another Grass Pokemon and Horn Leech against other Water Pokemons.. Basically it has a nice coverage against most enemies..

Pride (Heliolisk) (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

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Role in my team: Spec Sweeper
I chose Thunderbolt because Thunder was too risky with its low accuracy..
Basically it's equipped with Choice Specs to ensure it hits harder..
With it's wide movepool it also checks most pokemons it's switched in.. Hidden Power Ice for Dragons.. Surf for Fire Rock etc Pokemons..
Basically it could be viewed as good comrade to Sawsbuck

Envy (Ditto) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Transform

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Role in my team: Revenge Killer
Switches in to finish of Pokemons.. to kill the weakened pokemons or to revenge Pokemons my enemy killed.. that's why I also gave it the Choice Scarf to make sure it hits first
Or I simply can see the movepools of certain Pokemons with it.. which provides me with valuable Information..
And if my enemy sets up I can switch it into too and get the boosts for myself

Lust (Meloetta) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Def
Calm Nature
- Perish Song
- Psyshock
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn

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Role in my team: Special Wall/Scout
It can function as scout if I decide for personal reasons Smeargle is ineffective to send out first.. so I gave it U-Turn..
The EV Set is supposed to gave it more Def to tank Special Attacks.. Thunder Wave also cripples some sweepers or Perish Song.. while Psyshock gives it a nice Stab Attack


Team Strategy: No real strategy imo.. Smeargle just sets up.. baton passes to the best pokemon and then I sweep.. once it's down I'm either fucked or try out my luck with the remaining pokemons I have..

Weaknesses/Threats: No real information yet.. since I don't think my team has alot of synergy.. but the obvious ones are fighting.. maybe some teams which abuse hazards too since I don't have a rapid spinner etc.. I didn't play with it that often yet to be able to say much..

This team is mostly only for the Monotype OU in Pokemon Showdown.. I already won a few matches with it.. but that was mostly luck and the "incompetence" of my enemy imo.. so I could really need some advice here.. since I'm still new to this whole Pokemon Team building thing.. I'm open for any advice.. a man should be big enough to admit his mistakes.. strong enough to correct them and smart enough to profit from them.. Thank you very much..

 

[Rafael J. Feliciano]

You just HAD to name your entire team after the characters from Full Metal Alchemist... or 6 of the 7 deadly sins... either or....

Anyways here are some changes:

Smeargle - Change Ingrain < Mirror Coat to avoid being Taunted.

Ditto - Change Nature to either Hasty of Naive with a 252 Speed Investment. He's scarfed so might as well make him you Revenge Killer.

 

[ABR]

Put wish on chansey instead of soft boiled. You can still heal chansey by using protect the turn after u wish and using wish also enables you to wish pass to other pokemon.

 

[Voldemin]

You just HAD to name your entire team after the characters from Full Metal Alchemist... or 6 of the 7 deadly sins... either or....

Anyways here are some changes:

Smeargle - Change Ingrain < Mirror Coat to avoid being Taunted.

Ditto - Change Nature to either Hasty of Naive with a 252 Speed Investment. He's scarfed so might as well make him you Revenge Killer.

Put wish on chansey instead of soft boiled. You can still heal chansey by using protect the turn after u wish and using wish also enables you to wish pass to other pokemon.

Thank you both.. do you have any more suggestions ? Like switching out a pokemon for a better one ? Or a better strategy for my team ?

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oumonotype-98761509
Since imo my strategy is too simple.. I just set up with Smeargle and then sweep with one of my sweepers.. if I have luck like in this replay I can solo my enemy with just 1 pokemon..

 

[Rafael J. Feliciano]

Thank you both.. do you have any more suggestions ? Like switching out a pokemon for a better one ? Or a better strategy for my team ?

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oumonotype-98761509
Since imo my strategy is too simple.. I just set up with Smeargle and then sweep with one of my sweepers.. if I have luck like in this replay I can solo my enemy with just 1 pokemon..

Personally I dont like ditto and smeargle. If you want to revamp the team i would go in the following direction:

Meloetta @ Choice Scarf
EV: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Ability: Serene Grace
Hasty Nature
- U-Turn
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

Role: Scout/Revenge Killer

Snorlax @ Assault Vest
EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Ability: Thick Fat
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Wild Charge

Role: Special Defense Wall

Porygon2 @Eviolite
EV: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Spd
Ability: Trace
Bold Nature
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic
- Recover

Role: Defensive Wall/ Status Inducer

Change Chansey < Blissey with Leftovers and give it Wish, Heal Bell/Aromatherapy, Soft-Boiled and Seimic Toss with the same Nature and EVs.

Keep Heliolisk and Sawsbuck and say hello to ur new Monotype team... a crap load more bulkier and less predictable.

Sorry I can't elaborate at the moment, but will edit post later if needed.

Tell me what you think.

 

[Voldemin]

Personally I dont like ditto and smeargle. If you want to revamp the team i would go in the following direction:

Meloetta @ Choice Scarf
EV: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Ability: Serene Grace
Hasty Nature
- U-Turn
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock

Role: Scout/Revenge Killer

Snorlax @ Assault Vest
EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Ability: Thick Fat
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Wild Charge

Role: Special Defense Wall

Porygon2 @Eviolite
EV: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Spd
Ability: Trace
Bold Nature
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic
- Recover

Role: Defensive Wall/ Status Inducer

Change Chansey < Blissey with Leftovers and give it Wish, Heal Bell/Aromatherapy, Soft-Boiled and Seimic Toss with the same Nature and EVs.

Keep Heliolisk and Sawsbuck and say hello to ur new Monotype team... a crap load more bulkier and less predictable.

Sorry I can't elaborate at the moment, but will edit post later if needed.

Tell me what you think.

I'm alright with changes if they are really good and necessary for my team..
I just tested them
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oumonotype-98817660
Let's say it seemed like one pokemon would sweep my whole team in the beginning but then through some luck etc I could turn the leaf around..
Personally I only used Smeargle since I wanted a proper Leader/Starter Pokemon.. now I guess I have to use Meloetta as Scout with its U-turn
And Blissey has the advantage that it doesn't rely too much on Eviolite since if a Pokemon knocks this item of my Chansey I'm fucked
And I still need some checks for fighting pokemons after this small test.. since one nearly smashed my entire team with ease.. I had luck that I had Meloetta.. though I forgot to put choice scarf on her.. which was good for this battle.. so I could use U-Turn which damaged the pokemons of my enemy as nice side effect too..

 

[Rafael J. Feliciano]

Since Meloetta and Porygon have Thunderbolt, replace Heliolisk with:

Staraptor @ Life Orb
EV: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Ability: Reckless
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double Edge
- U-Turn
- Close Combat

Role: Wallbreaker

U can choose to Change the item to Choic Band or Choice Scarf, but since its Monotype, getting locked into a recoil move may not work out to well. If you need the speed, since Reckless provides the power, I would go with the Scarf. Leftovers could work to. Also, you can replace DE with Roost if you want some longevity with Staraptor.

Why not give this a try as it solves your fighting problem.

 

[Voldemin]

Since Meloetta and Porygon have Thunderbolt, replace Heliolisk with:

Staraptor @ Life Orb
EV: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Ability: Reckless
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double Edge
- U-Turn
- Close Combat

Role: Wallbreaker

U can choose to Change the item to Choic Band or Choice Scarf, but since its Monotype, getting locked into a recoil move may not work out to well. If you need the speed, since Reckless provides the power, I would go with the Scarf. Leftovers could work to. Also, you can replace DE with Roost if you want some longevity with Staraptor.

Why not give this a try as it solves your fighting problem.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oumonotype-98864262
Alright thanks I just tested it several times again
So far I lost 3 times and won once with it.. Porygon2 relies too much on its item.. as soon as people knocked it off it's basically useless.. so I might replace it with a better one.. it also dies often before it can use toxic on a pokemon.. hm and since I already have enough walls.. in form of snorlax and blissey I might replace it with a pokemon which does its job better (?)
Staraptor is pretty good though.. nice suggestion he sweeps the most enemies so far but after he is down I'm kinda in trouble since porygon doesn't do enough dmg
And Meloetta is kinda too fragile to switch in recklessly.. or I'm just still too new to all this competive playing
But still thanks alot for your suggestions.. maybe I will work on a proper lead pokemon or give Blissey stealth rock or something.. so that I can cripple bug ice fire etc teams more easily.. since so far they gave me some troubles.. especially with sticky web which slowed down my pokemons alot.. I still don't have a rapid spinner either.. but most normal pokemons who can use it are NU tier and hella weak..