Pokémon Chandelure

Will Chandelure be OU viable?

  • Yes it is a great pokemon and shoul be treated like one

    Votes: 32 60.4%

  • No, its outclassed by Zard Y

    Votes: 21 39.6%
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At best with Flash Fire it can be an interesting check to Char Y itself with a scarf.

252+ SpA Chandelure Hidden Power Rock vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 276-328 (92.6 - 110%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

With a Timid nature it's only a 6% chance to OHKO without rocks.
 
Jaroda said:
At best with Flash Fire it can be an interesting check to Char Y itself with a scarf.

252+ SpA Chandelure Hidden Power Rock vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 276-328 (92.6 - 110%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

With a Timid nature it's only a 6% chance to OHKO without rocks.
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You're doing it wrong.

+1 252+ SpA Chandelure Overheat vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 252-297 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ SpA Chandelure Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W in Sun: 267-315 (87.8 - 103.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Flash Fire + Sun is all you need. With a touch of damage on Charizard Y, you can guarantee a KO on Charizard or probably an OHKO on the Switch-in.

Mind you, thats a scarf Chandelure. Specs is naturally stronger.
 
If someone is "doing it wrong" it's thinking 0% chance to OHKO is greater than 56%. It's a choice set, no reason not to run both, not to mention prior damage nor a Flash Fire boost is guaranteed. Less bravado more common sense if you please.
 
Jaroda said:
If someone is "doing it wrong" it's thinking 0% chance to OHKO is greater than 56%. It's a choice set, no reason not to run both, not to mention prior damage nor a Flash Fire boost is guaranteed. Less bravado more common sense if you please.
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The Choice Set (both scarf and specs) has 4MSS. Overheat, Fire Blast (better for 2HKOs), Energy Ball (Rotom-W), Shadow Ball (Latios), Psychic (Venusaur), Trick (Chansey) as it is.

Realistically, I see Chandelure as a late-game pokemon that "checkmates" the opponent with blatantly obvious (but powerful) Overheats. Thats why I post in that regard. It pressures the opponent to carefully choose its WoW targets, or pressures Charizard into not using its overpowering fire attacks.
 
If you're using Flash Fire Chandelure at all without the intended purpose of checking one of the biggest wall breakers in the game then you are wasting your team slot. Being able to switch into CharY's Fire Blast, Flare Blitz, Solar Beam AND Focus Blast is one of the few reasons you'd even consider running Chandelure. If you opt not to run the only move with a chance of OHKOing this monster at full health, that is what's known as wasting potential. Not to mention STAB Overheat is still 30 BP stronger than Psychic even with Thick Fat, it's fine for finishing him off
 
I dunno. True, Mega-Charizard Y has very good Special Attacking sets (ie: Flare Blitz + Special), but I've been burned by more than just those attacks. I've seen Charizard-Y with Earthquake and even Dragon Pulse and Air Slash on the switch-in which puts a major dent into Chandelure. Besides, I've got to wait a bit and see whether Charizard X or Charizard-Y comes out, and wait a bit more to see whether Y is Mixed or Special-based.

If you're expecting "Standard Charizard-Y", guess what? Chandelure doesn't just "check" the set, he walls him. Your typical Fire Blast / Solar Beam / Focus Blast / Roost Charizard-Ys are all straight up walled, and Chandelure can take his sweet time 2HKOing Charizard Y. Instead, your focus is to maximize the amount of damage on the obvious switch-out.

252+ SpA Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 143-168 (47.9 - 56.3%) -- 87.5% chance to 2HKO

If you expect a `mon that is faster than Chandelure, use Overheat -> Switchout. Otherwise, use Fire Blast and try and 2HKO any fool who switches into Chandelure.

Now... if you're expecting Physical Charizard-Y (Earthquake is sometimes run to beat out Heatran), Chandelure never really had a safe switch-in to begin with.

I'm not kidding when I say Overheat is the best option. Its a simple and conservative play that takes advantage of your opponent's Drought, the obvious switch-out (since stanard Charizard-Y is fully walled), and maximizes the damage done to your opponent's best move.

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EDIT: Getting Choice-locked into a 60-BP Rock attack seems like a terrible idea to a pursuit-weak / ghost-weak pokemon. Its like you're inviting Aegislash or Bisharp to just own you...
 
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