OU Quagsire

[Aragorn the King]

TRC.

**Mold Breaker Setup Pokemon**: Excadrill and Haxorus both have the ability Mold Breaker, which allows them to bypass Quagsire's Unaware ability with offensive boosts they have already gained, meaning that Quagsire can not wall them.

Should be "cannot." Also, I think it would be worth noting Mega Gyarados under this category, as whether it's mega or not can play mind games with Quagsire, and determine if it can wall it or not.

 

[EyeDentist]

I may not be a part of any of this process, but I'd like to question the viability of haze.

Quagsire is not a wall. It's only able to approach Pokemon that have set up. Haze removes those boosts if it cannot survive the opponent's unboosted attacks or if it cannot hurt the opponent, allowing something else to handle it. Let's also not forget that Haze is one of the only ways to defeat Baton Pass, which is commonly seen as the most effective play style.

Perhaps it should be an additional choice over one of the two attacks (probably Scald, since Toxic and Scald can't work in unison). Or at least an "Other Option". Either way, I think Haze should be credited as a possible move.

 

[trc]

I may not be a part of any of this process, but I'd like to question the viability of haze.

Quagsire is not a wall. It's only able to approach Pokemon that have set up. Haze removes those boosts if it cannot survive the opponent's unboosted attacks or if it cannot hurt the opponent, allowing something else to handle it. Let's also not forget that Haze is one of the only ways to defeat Baton Pass, which is commonly seen as the most effective play style.

Perhaps it should be an additional choice over one of the two attacks (probably Scald, since Toxic and Scald can't work in unison). Or at least an "Other Option". Either way, I think Haze should be credited as a possible move.

Yeah I was thinking of this like an hour ago actually. It will only be mentioned in OO for the sole purpose of stopping BP. And thanks finncent1, I'll get onto that.

 

[Jukain]

Yeah I was thinking of this like an hour ago actually. It will only be mentioned in OO for the sole purpose of stopping BP. And thanks finncent1, I'll get onto that.

You should probably slash it because y'know otherwise stall autoloses to BP. It's literally stall's only anti-BP method, for sure worth a slash, perhaps even first because it's so necessary.

 

[emilejug]

I would also like to suggest maybe curse instead of toxic i run this and i find the fact you can buff and they cannot quite useful in matches and often forces them to switch giving you a free hit.