Is there an ru forum coming in the near future?
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Definitely, but that'll wait until RU gets official (and not beta). Just like UU. I don't know how soon that'll be though, but it won't be for more than 3 months i believe.
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Oh that's good that we have an approximate date but it is just really annoying trying to condense discussion of so many pokemon into one discussion thread. (why I want a balanced hackmons subforum)
An intense match putting sticky web on show.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rubeta-113579061
Really viable playstyle with shuckle xatu and some good spin-blockers
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rubeta-113579061
Really viable playstyle with shuckle xatu and some good spin-blockers
Aah. I forgot about those. Thanks for pointing that out. I had a complete brain fart there and I listed the only (legal) pokémon that I could think of (only remembered the ones you mentioned as they learned it through level up and people were talking about defog Skuntank on PS about an hour beore i posted that).
Wouldn't Meowstick work like Deoxys did in early B/W - Deoxys and Deoxys A were Uber, Deoxys S was OU and Deoxys D was UU - due to being different formes that are determined before battle rather than in-battle?
I have used both Wigglytuff and offensive Milotic quite a bit, the latter in all three of OU, UU and RU and I agree that it is really good, although I am a little sad that
Xatu? Why Xatu?
Anyways, I still find Sticky Web teams to be niche. I don't really see that many things that would absolutely hate the speed drop beyond Raikou, Cobalion, Virizion and possibly Shaymin. I guess there's a few things that Exploud can outspeed after the speed drop (if he runs timid iirc), but beyond that? I don't know. It's kinda... eh.
Because RU isn't led by kokoloko
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The council decided that at least until the next tier change by usage, that it would be best to only do those three initial quick bans. Since RU is still in the beta stage and tier changes will be made monthly, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to ban too many Pokemon when the meta game is changing every single month. When RU becomes official, there will be suspect tests, and depending on the state of the meta, Cresselia is a very strong potential candidate (although lets be real here, Reuniclus is a better CM user ;o). In the mean time, if you are struggling to deal with Cresselia, there are some good responses to it such as Escavalier, Drapion, Skuntank, and Cofagrigus, it also struggles to set up if you don't allow it a free switch and keep up high offensive pressure, as without set up it is pretty weak. Hope my explanation made sense / cleared how the council is approaching the meta at the moment :).
Liepard is also a great response to Cress
Just tell me when my Fight4Liepard thingy get annoying, by the way.
I actually have been very pleased with Meowstic-F! And I saw someone say that Kadabra was a lot faster by a margin, I believe this was Punchshroom? But Kadabra has 105 Speed, while Meowstic-F has 104 Speed, I wouldn't say that it is faster by a whole lot, one point isn't the most dramatic. Here's a stat comparison between it and Kadabra:
Now looking right now, you can see that Kadabra only is higher in one spot - SpA (well, Speed, but only by one...). And yes, Kadabra has the far better ability, but
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Meowstic Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 324-382 (84.3 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Kadabra Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 208-246 (54.1 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
A Meowstic switching into Defog is much more powerful than Life Orb Kadabra, and with Specs:
252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 238-282 (61.9 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Still stronger by a whole lot. At this point you're better off using Meowstic, it has far better bulk and looks way cuter. Magic Guard is of course eons better, but when Defog is in play, I'd go as far as to say Competitive is on the same tier as Magic Guard, as doubling your SpA is fucking sick. I would not say that Kadabra outclasses Meowstic offensively in any way, although it seems that way. I've been running a set of Calm Mind / Stored Power / Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball. The idea of this set is to Calm Mind as the opponent switches out or after you've been Defogged, this amps up Stored Power to 100 Base Power after a Defog + Calm Mind. You could also use Psychic, but I've found much more success with Stored Power. Calm Mind also makes Meowstic more powerful if the opponent does not carry Defog. I'm a huge fan of Meowstic, but yes, it does have its downfalls. It truly lacks power if no Defog is in play, and it simply isn't very bulky in all honesty. It is outclassed in some roles by other Pokemon, but I think it still has its niche. My favorite battle I've had in RU so far has been a battle where this guy called me a (BAN ME PLEASE) for using Meowstic and I later proceeded to switch into a Defog and 6-0 him, man how I wish I had saved that replay. This honestly is a rare occurrence to sweep with Meowstic, but it is certainly viable!
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- Kadabra:
Now looking right now, you can see that Kadabra only is higher in one spot - SpA (well, Speed, but only by one...). And yes, Kadabra has the far better ability, but
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Meowstic Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 324-382 (84.3 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Kadabra Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 208-246 (54.1 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
A Meowstic switching into Defog is much more powerful than Life Orb Kadabra, and with Specs:
252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 238-282 (61.9 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Still stronger by a whole lot. At this point you're better off using Meowstic, it has far better bulk and looks way cuter. Magic Guard is of course eons better, but when Defog is in play, I'd go as far as to say Competitive is on the same tier as Magic Guard, as doubling your SpA is fucking sick. I would not say that Kadabra outclasses Meowstic offensively in any way, although it seems that way. I've been running a set of Calm Mind / Stored Power / Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball. The idea of this set is to Calm Mind as the opponent switches out or after you've been Defogged, this amps up Stored Power to 100 Base Power after a Defog + Calm Mind. You could also use Psychic, but I've found much more success with Stored Power. Calm Mind also makes Meowstic more powerful if the opponent does not carry Defog. I'm a huge fan of Meowstic, but yes, it does have its downfalls. It truly lacks power if no Defog is in play, and it simply isn't very bulky in all honesty. It is outclassed in some roles by other Pokemon, but I think it still has its niche. My favorite battle I've had in RU so far has been a battle where this guy called me a (BAN ME PLEASE) for using Meowstic and I later proceeded to switch into a Defog and 6-0 him, man how I wish I had saved that replay. This honestly is a rare occurrence to sweep with Meowstic, but it is certainly viable!
Actually Cress commonly has Moonlight, so yeah.
Edit: Chesnaught the thing is, Meowstic can barely switch into defog. Let's see some of the most common defoggers, which are very limited:
- Golbat: Meowstic can't switch into U-turn if it has that.
- Gligar: Same as Golbat. (additionally, Meowstic can't do much to Gligar without the Competitive boost, and repeated Earthquakes will kill it off in addition to Roost recovery.)
- Togetic: Meowstic wins here, assuming Togetic doesn't have weird shit like t-wave or something, idk really, I never saw Togetic much.
- Skuntank: This one's a mixed bag, it doesn't learn Knock Off so that's a plus, but it has Sucker Punch..
So yeah, out of 4 defoggers, Meowstic only gets the jump on.. one, barely, assuming it doesn't have t-wave.
I honestly don't think Competitive makes Meowstic all that niche and viable.
Edit 2: and yeah, I definitely agree with Gennosuke Fujiki that Competitive Milotic is a better Competitive user.
Edit: Chesnaught the thing is, Meowstic can barely switch into defog. Let's see some of the most common defoggers, which are very limited:
- Golbat: Meowstic can't switch into U-turn if it has that.
- Gligar: Same as Golbat. (additionally, Meowstic can't do much to Gligar without the Competitive boost, and repeated Earthquakes will kill it off in addition to Roost recovery.)
- Togetic: Meowstic wins here, assuming Togetic doesn't have weird shit like t-wave or something, idk really, I never saw Togetic much.
- Skuntank: This one's a mixed bag, it doesn't learn Knock Off so that's a plus, but it has Sucker Punch..
So yeah, out of 4 defoggers, Meowstic only gets the jump on.. one, barely, assuming it doesn't have t-wave.
I honestly don't think Competitive makes Meowstic all that niche and viable.
Edit 2: and yeah, I definitely agree with Gennosuke Fujiki that Competitive Milotic is a better Competitive user.
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What do you do against teams with Rapid Spin over Defog with that Meowers? Atleast run Psychic or Psyshock in case of those matchups..
I prefer Competitive Milotic anyways. Recovery, great bulk, not too slow.. ye.
stop talking about shit pkmn. ru isnt the bottom of the barrel; it has plenty of great mons. no reason to compare meowstic and kadabra when both are shit mons.
Molk edit: meowstic isn't shit it gets competitive, which means its obviously good in competitive matches, stay mad dtc
lets move to more relevant topics like how much of a boss reuniclus is now.
Molk edit: meowstic isn't shit it gets competitive, which means its obviously good in competitive matches, stay mad dtc
lets move to more relevant topics like how much of a boss reuniclus is now.
Gligar can take any of its hits and Roost off the damage, and most fire-types can check it (but they have to watch for Drill Run).
While somewhat niche, I'd also like to mention Weezing as a very viable niche mon for defensive teams. Packing Will-O-Wisp and Pain Split, it acts sort of like a Rotom variant with more physical defense and less offensive presence, and arguable better defensive typing than any of the rotoms we have in the tier. Weezing has only one weakness- psychic- giving him nice bulk, and resistances to types like Bug, Grass, and Fighting allow him to easily counter mons like Swords Dance Virizion and Escavalier. Weezing also, unlike other walls, can have some offensive presence with attacks like Thunderbolt or Fire Blast. He also carries some nifty options like Haze and Clear Smog for support. While he's not the best physical presence in RU, his outstanding defense, Will-O-Wisp, semi-reliable recovery, single weakness, and his "I don't give a shit about hazards" attitude definitely give him a niche in RU. If played to his strengths, he is very viable.
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Intimidate users like quilfish, hitmontop is a good way of dealing it, or fire type coverage from stuff like Zoroark, Drapion(lol fire fang), Tyrantrump can be checks. and remember it has no way of recovering itself, so keep on spamming strong attacks and it will eventually go down. (And Gligar isn't a good way of dealing it since gligar hates loosing eviolite)
DTC is right, Reuniclus is a top threat. Max defence reuniclus can stand up to a lot of attacks it normally can't. From the likes of drapion's crunch and mega bannette's knock off, to rhyperior's megahorn to sharpedo's crunch. It can take those attacks often OHKO the opposing pokemon(or at least dent it). But it has it's problems... Spiritomb walls it all day and can setup on it, and from time to time Focus miss hapens(belive me it will hapen a LOT)
And speaking of new threats, i see that braviary is getting so much usage that I think it's safe to say it's going to be RU. Life Orb / Scarf hits like a truck and it's very anti-meta I must say.
I'm actually disappointed about Sticky web, as nobody tends to use it... Any suggestion about it's usefulness?
Moltres can roast it in a second while resisting both STABS and being immune to Drill Run.
Obviously having Moltres requires hazard control but it's still a great counter. Just watch out for Knock Off on the switch-in.
Moltres is the best switch-in to Escavalier since it 4x resists Megahorn, is immune to Drill Run, and resists Iron Head. It has Roost to stay healthy and Fire Blast is going to destroy Escavalier at a moment's notice. Aside from this, you can try to lure it in. AV Druddigon can spam the shit out of Dragon Claw or Iron Tail to fein a Choice Band set, only to blast Escavalier with a Sheer Force-boosted Fire Punch when it comes in expecting to force Drudd out. Escavalier is certainly a threat you have to be ready for, but just remember that it has no recovery, is susceptible to Rocks and Spikes, and is incredibly slow, meaning it will have to take a hit to give one. Just sacrificing a Pokemon to push damage on it may not be the worst idea if it means pushing enough damage on it to bring Escavalier into KO range of most of your other Pokemon.
A set I've considered and have yet to put on one of my teams. What do you guys think?
Pyroar (M cuz dat mane) @ Weakness Policy
Moxie 252Spe (still hav to do calcs to determine spA and At ev's)
Flamethrower/Fire blast
Hyper voice/ Return
Dark Pulse/Crunch/Hp ice
Wild Charge
This thing just looks like it should work really well! It makes good use of his many weaknesses, attacking stats and movepool. First, get hit and live an SE hit (hardest part probly). Second, destroy something at +2 with good coverage and nab a bonus attack boost. At +3 attack, wild charge should disintegrate any bulky waters wh try to stop you, although recoil after an SE hit could end it. Thoughts?
Oh also, Punchshroom what did you think of my comparison?
Pyroar (M cuz dat mane) @ Weakness Policy
Moxie 252Spe (still hav to do calcs to determine spA and At ev's)
Flamethrower/Fire blast
Hyper voice/ Return
Dark Pulse/Crunch/Hp ice
Wild Charge
This thing just looks like it should work really well! It makes good use of his many weaknesses, attacking stats and movepool. First, get hit and live an SE hit (hardest part probly). Second, destroy something at +2 with good coverage and nab a bonus attack boost. At +3 attack, wild charge should disintegrate any bulky waters wh try to stop you, although recoil after an SE hit could end it. Thoughts?
Oh also, Punchshroom what did you think of my comparison?
Stop trying to make Pyroar good.
86/72/66 are terrible defenses for something trying to use weakness policy (68 attack at +2 is still awful). Unless it is taking the hit from something like Shuckle or Smeargle, the super effective move will ohko
I think that an offensive shell smash shuckle is better
ouch lol.
you could make use of pyroar (not with this set) but other pokes do what it does a lot better. at least wait for nu, it might be easier to make it work in a softer meta. you might be able to make use of the ghost immunity idk. if only it got a useful ability ..
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