Other The OU Role Comparison Project

[Ender Wiggin]

Really? Huh, I don't see that very often, but I can definitely see Scarf sets being viable. Though I was comparing Starmie's and Excadrill's Life Orb sets to each other, which I thought was the purpose of this thread.

Thought it was as your title says offensive rapid spinner comparison. :p

 

[Valmanway]

Thought it was as your title says offensive rapid spinner comparison. :p

Haha, that's true. Well I just went and mentioned Scarf for Excadrill.

 

[Ender Wiggin]

Just change the can't take out faster threats part to can't take out unless scarfed for some of them and you're good.

 

[Valmanway]

Just change the can't take out faster threats part to can't take out unless scarfed for some of them and you're good.

Done.

 

[Ladder Heroes]

I agree that Dnite is a lot better, but Salamence actually has 110 Base Special Attack, also with Fire Blast and Hydro Pump, meaning mixed sets are a bit better. Also, Fire Blast should never really be used on Dnite.

Fire Blast shouldn't be use on Dragon Dancing Dragonites. I know that Salamence running Hydro Pump on rain teams last gen was common, but so was Special Attacking Dragonite with Hurricane and Thunder. Plus Fire Blast Dragonite is a great Skarmory lure albeit a very niche one.

 

[Mowtom]

Here, let's have another comparison:

Latios vs. Latias as an Offensive Defogger

Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt
- Defog

Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Draco Meteor
- Healing Wish
- Thunderbolt / Psyshock

Latios' Advantages:

1. Greater Offensive Presence The biggest reason to use Latios over Latias is that Latios hits much harder. To accentuate this, it usually uses a Defog+3 Attacks set, where Latias usually uses an additional support move, meaning that Latios is much harder to wall than Latias.

2. More Versatility In addition to the moves listed, Latios can run Surf, Earthquake, Hidden Power Fighting, and Hidden Power Fire. It can also run an effective Choice Scarf set with Trick, making it hard to predict. Latias, on the other hand, can't do much more than what is shown here without being outclassed, so your opponent knows what Latias will do when they see it.

Latias' Advantages:

1. Healing Wish Healing Wish is the reason that Latias is often used over Latios, who gets Memento instead. Healing Wish allows Latias to support sweepers far better than Latios can, as they can go from almost dead to full health very easily. Without Healing Wish, you're probably better off with Latios.

2. Greater Bulk Latias has more bulk on both sides than Latios, so it can take hits (especially special ones) better. This also lets it run a Calm Mind set, though the offensive Defog set is better. However, Latios' greater offensive presence is usually preferred, as they are both used as offensive, not defensive, defoggers.

 

[I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM]

Gonna go at another comparison
Gonna go at another comparison
Scarf Terrakion vs Scarf Garchomp as a revenge killer

Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide/X-Scissor/Iron Head

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Terrakion's advantages

1. Able to revenge kill more threats: It is able to revenge kill Mega Gyarados, which Garchomp cannot do
2. Higher base speed: Able to avoid a fatal Psycho Boost from Deo-S, where garchomp is unable to avoid an ice beam

Garchomp's advantages:
1. Able to clean teams better: Doesn't lose defense due to CC, and has a slightly higher base attack
2. Immune to thunder wave: Able to check Thundurus as it isn't crippled by thunder wave

Overall, Terrakion does the job better, but Garchomp can clean house and check more.

 

[Mowtom]

Gonna go at another comparison
Gonna go at another comparison
Scarf Terrakion vs Scarf Garchomp as a revenge killer
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Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide/X-Scissor/Iron Head
View attachment 12882
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Terrakion's advantages

1. Able to revenge kill more threats: It is able to revenge kill Mega Gyarados, which Garchomp cannot do
2. Higher base speed: Able to avoid a fatal Psycho Boost from Deo-S, where garchomp is unable to avoid an ice beam
Garchomp's advantages:
1. Able to clean teams better: Doesn't lose defense due to CC, and has a slightly higher base attack
2. Immune to thunder wave: Able to check Thundurus as it isn't crippled by thunder wave

Overall, Terrakion does the job better, but Garchomp can clean house and check more.

Would you mind fixing the images?

 

[I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM]

Would you mind fixing the images?

fixed

 

[Adonzo]

Beyond them both being huge power megas, I don't see many similarities. Kinda like the pinsir v scizor comparison. One is bulky priority based, the other a more traditional sweeper. Indeed, Scizor v Mawile comes to mind as a better comparison.

 

[Mowtom]

New comparison

vs.

as a physical wallbreaker(mega)

Medicham @ Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Psycho Cut
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
Medicham's Pros
More power: STAB High Jump Kick from huge power 100 base atk hits like a truck with trucks inside of it
More speed: Base 100 outspeeds everything it needs to hit with a HJK and more
Less support needed: It is pretty self sufficient, and doesn't require as much support

Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head/Focus Punch
- Fire Fang/Swords Dance/Sub
Mawile's Pros:
Much bulkier: It can take hits from the walls its supposed to take out
Better defensive typing: It can switch in on a multitude of moves

Overall, it depends if you want bulk or speed.

I don't really like this comparison. I think that it is too inaccurate. Medicham's 100 Base Speed isn't nearly as fast as you make it out to be. No priority at all means that it needs a lot of support, as it will be switching whenever it meets a faster threat or one with priority, which is quite often. Mawile actually needs much less support, as it is resistant to Stealth Rock, doesn't care too much about its low speed because of Sucker Punch, has an easy time setting up thanks to Intimidate, and, as you said, can take attacks.

Beyond them both being huge power megas, I don't see many similarities. Kinda like the pinsir v scizor comparison. One is bulky priority based, the other a more traditional sweeper. Indeed, Scizor v Mawile comes to mind as a better comparison.

I agree that this one isn't that good, but for completely different reasons (see above). How is Medicham a sweeper?

NOTE: If people disagree with me on any of the judgements I make here, please say something about it. I'm trying to learn, too

 

[acestriker19]

I think I have a pretty obvious and good one

Mega Manectric v. Raikou as Mono-Electric Volt Switchers

Manectric @ Manectite
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt

Raikou @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 224 Spd / 252 SAtk / 32 SpD
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Extrasensory / Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Manetric's Advantages

• Intimidate allows Manetric to switch in on a large variety of boosting sweepers and weaken them while switching out.
• Manectric hits harder and is faster than Raikou.
• Overheat gives Manetric much better coverage than Raikou.

Manetric's Disadvantages

• Manectric takes up a mega slot and is not a sweeper.
• Manectric isn't nearly as specially bulky as Assault Vest Raikou.
• Manectric must Mega-Evolve on a slower threat in order to take advantage of its great speed tier which can be difficult to do against HO teams.

Honestly, They are both pretty even (Manectric probably would edge out Raikou if it did not require your mega slot) but it really depends if you need a Volt Switcher who can deal better with physical or special threats.

 

[Ladder Heroes]

Tyranitar vs. Hippowdon as Sandstorm Setters

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 4 S Def
Adamant Nature
-Crunch
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit
-Earthquake

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs:240 HP/ 192 Def/ 76 S Def
Impish Nature
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Slack Off
-Toxic

Tyranitar's Advantages

• Much more versatile(can Mega Evolve, run Choiced, AV, Support, and Special Attacking sets while Hippowdon usually has to run the same 7 or 8 moves)
• Gets massive Special Defense boost in the Sand
• Impressive mixed attacking stats

Hippowdon's Advantages

• Reliable Recovery. This is the main reason to use Hippowdon over Tyranitar.
• Better physical bulk
• No gaping 4x Weaknesses(less weaknesses in general)
• Better support Pokemon
• Fits well on stall

Overall, I'd say Tyranitar has more going for it, but Hippowdon is a lot more reliable, so they are pretty even.

 

[Mowtom]

Tyranitar vs. Hippowdon as Sandstorm Setters

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 4 S Def
Adamant Nature
-Crunch
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit
-Earthquake

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs:240 HP/ 192 Def/ 76 S Def
Impish Nature
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Slack Off
-Toxic

Tyranitar's Advantages

• Much more versatile(can run Choiced, AV, Support, and Special Attacking sets while Hippowdon usually has to run the same 7 or 8 moves)
• Has a Mega Evolution
• Gets massive Special Defense boost in the Sand
• Impressive mixed attacking stats

Hippowdon's Advantages

• Reliable Recovery. This is the main reason to use Hippowdon over Tyranitar.
• Better physical bulk
• No gaping 4x Weaknesses(less weaknesses in general)
• Better support Pokemon
• Fits well on stall

Overall, I'd say Tyranitar has more going for it, but Hippowdon is a lot more reliable, so I'd say they are pretty even.

You might want to merge the first two bullet points for Tyranitar. The Mega Evolution is part of its versatility.

 

[Rotten Seagull]

Let me take my shot at this.

Vaporeon vs. Alomomola as Bulky Water-type Wish Passers

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Roar / Toxic / Heal Bell

Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold/Impish Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic
- Waterfall / Knock Off / Scald


Vaporeon's Advantages

• Access to Heal Bell and Roar
• A harder-hitting scald
• Immune to water-type attacks
• Can use Baton Pass

Alomomola's Advantages

• A better ability in Regenerator
• Bigger wishes, more physically bulky
• Access to Knock Off

Both pokemon are equally viable picks for the job. The choice goes down to what your team needs.

 

[WebBowser]

Rotten Seagull One thing that vap has going for it is the option to combine wish and baton pass for super reliable wish passes to mons who would otherwise be unable to recieve it. Especially effective in double wish pass cores like vaporeon + umbreon/sylveon.

Mowtom Doesn't latias get roost? I feel that latias can run an extremely viable defensive set with roost, and that reliable recovery is something that every defogger wants to have to let it keep rocks off your side in the long run.

If you are comparing strictly offensive defoggers, then latios wins that competition every time. A more apt comparison would be mew vs latias or latios vs defog bulkyzard X (actually, the latter would be really cool).

 

[Mowtom]

Rotten Seagull One thing that vap has going for it is the option to combine wish and baton pass for super reliable wish passes to mons who would otherwise be unable to recieve it. Especially effective in double wish pass cores like vaporeon + umbreon/sylveon.

Mowtom Doesn't latias get roost? I feel that latias can run an extremely viable defensive set with roost, and that reliable recovery is something that every defogger wants to have to let it keep rocks off your side in the long run.

If you are comparing strictly offensive defoggers, then latios wins that competition every time. A more apt comparison would be mew vs latias or latios vs defog bulkyzard X (actually, the latter would be really cool).

Latios does too. I didn't think it was worth mentioning. Also, are either Vaporeon or Alomomola viable in OU at all? If not, that comparison shouldn't be included.

 

[Rotten Seagull]

Also, are either Vaporeon or Alomomola viable in OU at all? If not, that comparison shouldn't be included.

I guarantee they are viable. Look up on their threads if you want to.

Rotten Seagull One thing that vap has going for it is the option to combine wish and baton pass for super reliable wish passes to mons who would otherwise be unable to recieve it. Especially effective in double wish pass cores like vaporeon + umbreon/sylveon.

Edited :)

 

[WebBowser]

Latios does too. I didn't think it was worth mentioning. Also, are either Vaporeon or Alomomola viable in OU at all? If not, that comparison shouldn't be included.

Well, reliable recovery is generally desirable for a defensive mon, latias is a defensive mon, therefore roost is viable on latias? Methinks this is good logic, no?

Or maybe me just need sleep, sleep good, good idea, bed soon, me like, bye.

 

[Blizzardhail]

Is snorlax vs Tyranitar as AV attackers ok?

 

[WebBowser]

Blizzardhail

Should be fine, both are slow, bulky mons without reliable recovery. Both OU viable. I'd say worth a shot.

 

[Blizzardhail]

Tyranitar vs. Snorlax as Bulky AV attackers without recovery

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/ 4 Atk/ 252 SDef
Adamant Nature
-Crunch
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit
-Earthquake


Snorlax @ Assault Vest
Ability: Thick Fat/ Immunity
EVs:252 HP/ 4 Atk / 252 SDef
Impish Nature
-Return
-Earthquake
-Pursuit
-Brick Break

Tyranitar's Advantages

• Much more versatile( Can bluff other sets)
• Gets massive Special Defense boost in the Sand
• Impressive mixed attacking stats
• Useable Defense, unlike Snorlax
• Coverage with useful moves to beat it's otherwise checks and counters such as ice beam and punch to surprise Gliscor
• It looks cooler

Snorlax's Advantages

• Useful resistances to Fire and Ice, two very common attacking types ( if you choose Thick Fat) or immunity to toxic ( if you choose Immunity
• No gaping 4x Weaknesses(less weaknesses in general)
• Many many coverage moves that can be used to put the hurt on it's otherwise checks and counters such as Gunk Shot to beat fairies and be less of set-up bait against them
• Higher SDef after Tyranitar's sandstorm ends.
• Has Power-up-punch which has a niche use to boost its attack.
• More loveable and less likely to kill you in your sleep than Tyranitar

Overall, I'd say Tyranitar has more attack and special defense, but Snorlax is a lot reliable as the sandstorm only lasts for a while. It also doesn't hurt it's non-steel,rock and ground teammates and easier to patch up its weakness. It also has a amazing move pool that is slightly more usable than Tyranitar's . I'll say probably both are even.
One thing to note is that if you use AV Ttar, you can't use another variant in the same team

Picture and format originally shamelessly stolen from Hjwang

 

[WebBowser]

Blizzardhail Ok, so there's a lot wrong with your post.

1. Assault vest means no status moves. On a similar note, Snorlax can't run slack off period, and would prolly be OU viable if it had that option(#trollfreak).

2. Compare their movepools a bit. Snorlax actually has a rather impressive phys movepool containing things like wild charge, double edge (with the hp to absorb recoil damage like a bawz), seed bomb, and gunk shot, as well as sharing ttars access to elemental punches and slidequake.

3. Y no STAB move on snorlax? monoground is pretty bad even on defensive movesets. Hippo and gliscor are the only mons I see commonly get away with it.

4. Y invest sp defense on AV snorlax? Either go defense and attack or HP and defense imho.

 

[Blizzardhail]

Oops copied from the Hippodown one. Will edit. Thanks for pointing out Snorlax's strong points. I have used him, but not very much

 

[Mowtom]

Rotten Seagull Fair enough. Vaporeon is C/C+ rank, and the general consensus seems to be that Alomomola is severely underrated. Adding.

WebBowser Latias isn't really what I'd consider a defensive mon. If you want a bulky Defogger, Zapdos, Skarmory, Mandibuzz, and Mega Scizor all exist. Latios is the only other offensive Defogger out there, however. Also, could you take a look at the EV's for the set I posted? They clearly are the EV's for an offensive Pokemon.

Blizzardhail I think you might want to work on yours a bit more. Tyranitar has tons of coverage options, so that's not really an advantage of Snorlax's. Also, would you mind explaining more how Snorlax is generally more reliable? I'd think that Tyranitar's better mixed bulk and mixed attacking stats make it more reliable.