If you were to be pasifist I think you either try to cause confusion so the vote is split 2-2-2-2 or micro-manage your vote to try to cancel the vote. You day one actions seem to portrayed scum with bandwagoning but I agree that you have played like a pasifist for day 2. I am not quite sure what to do here, and my vote will probably cause your death. You could be useful to the village so I don't want to just let you die. I'm going change to unvote and hope your live is useful. If you are any scummier I would lynch. I will desid
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- Thread starter shinyskarmory
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Lynch Ullar
Sorry, but no matter what, this is gonna be a good lynch. Seriously, don't think of it as a harmless neutral, think of it as anti-town. No matter what lynching a harmless neutral is going to be better than lynching a member of the town. We know for sure that Ullar is not a member of our village now, and we also don't know that ANYONE else itg is anti-village, so this is the best lynch.
Sorry, but no matter what, this is gonna be a good lynch. Seriously, don't think of it as a harmless neutral, think of it as anti-town. No matter what lynching a harmless neutral is going to be better than lynching a member of the town. We know for sure that Ullar is not a member of our village now, and we also don't know that ANYONE else itg is anti-village, so this is the best lynch.
I guess the one thing that bugs me is that he could be the difference between the village winning. However I do understand that the our best outcome is to lynch him. I was just wondering if it was worth it to lynch him. My problem is that I hate making lynch decisions. I guess tesung, celever, and lightwolf are right.
I am so sorry ullar, but after some though, we don't need to have a pacifist fighting against us in the long run. Lynch UllarWarlord
I'm currently at school (sorry for lack of activity, I've been cramming for AP tests) and I don't know if I'll be able to make a post from home before deadline, so I figure I'll throw some stuff out there.
-There's really no reason not to lynch Ullar at this point. If he's really the pacifist, then him living benefits the mafia more than it benefits us, as LightWolf explained. If he's lying, well, I think we all know how that goes.
-Celever makes my head hurt. If I can make it home before deadline, I'll definitely be analyzing him, but writing long posts on an iPhone is next to impossible
-Scumreads, in order from strongest to weakest, are Ullar, starwarsfan, Obbmud. Celever might earn himself a spot on the list, I really don't know
-I agree that LightWolf isn't guaranteed town, and neither am I, but I'm certainly not reading him as scum right now, and I feel like I would notice if he were acting against his usual behavior
I'm sorry for this post's brevity but like I said, I'm going to try to make it home in time to fit in a pre-deadline post. Do not hammer on Ullar.
shinyskarmory can we get a votecount and a reminder of when deadline is?
-There's really no reason not to lynch Ullar at this point. If he's really the pacifist, then him living benefits the mafia more than it benefits us, as LightWolf explained. If he's lying, well, I think we all know how that goes.
-Celever makes my head hurt. If I can make it home before deadline, I'll definitely be analyzing him, but writing long posts on an iPhone is next to impossible
-Scumreads, in order from strongest to weakest, are Ullar, starwarsfan, Obbmud. Celever might earn himself a spot on the list, I really don't know
-I agree that LightWolf isn't guaranteed town, and neither am I, but I'm certainly not reading him as scum right now, and I feel like I would notice if he were acting against his usual behavior
I'm sorry for this post's brevity but like I said, I'm going to try to make it home in time to fit in a pre-deadline post. Do not hammer on Ullar.
shinyskarmory can we get a votecount and a reminder of when deadline is?
I think I can answer this. The deadline is in about an hour in a half. No vote count, but I know ullar is at 5?
Certainly.
Day 2, Vote Count 6
(13) Still Alive: (majority is 7 votes)
Ace Emerald (0):
Cancerous (0):
Celever (1):
Tesung (2):
LightWolf (0):
More Cowbell (0):
Obbmud99 (0):
Paperblade
starwarsfan (0):
UllarWarlord (6): Walrein, Ace Emerald, More Cowbell,
Walrein (0):
No Lynch (1):
Not Voting: Nitrox116, PokeGuyNXB
Deadline: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 7 (less then 1 hour away).
Carry on.
I request that deadline be delayed until Walrein is given a chance to post before night ends as ending it before he can post gives mafia a too big of an edge if they kill him. PRETTY PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE(I'm not just saying that because someone finally dislikes Celever>_> <_<)
I'll make you a deal.
Instead of writing the update flavor beforehand, saving a draft, and then posting at 4 after I update votes, I'll start writing the post at 4 which could push deadline back anywhere from 10-20 minutes.
Past that point, not much I can do for you-an extension that's too long would be as unfair to the mafia as not extending long enough for Walrein to post would be to you.
I don't want to put any more votes on Ullar until I see what Walrein has to say. I'll keep my vote on Tesung for now.
You are the best at votecounts shinyskarm! :p
Based on Ullar's play, I assumed he was one of these things.
I've already said this in my big post, but with his claiming of pacifist, that rules out option 1 from the get-go, which to be honest, probably would've been the most favorable way to portray himself, even if no one bought it. With a claim like that and no cc's (since cc's in this game seem pretty impossible and a doctor cc wouldn't be optimal at this point) he could at least attempt to shift a few votes off for just one day, since lynching a doc seems to be one of the worst things you could do as village. :)
Two could still hold water, but either way, I'd say it's grounds for lynching. His playstyle just seems so intentionally scummy that I seriously thought he was a Fool wanting to get lynched ASAP while reading the thread objectively, until a quick read at the list proved me otherwise. And then I thought he had soft-claimed it, since aside from the fact that Fools aren't in this game, seems believable enough. Since he is not a Fool, I'm mostly comfortable with this lynch now.
And there still remains the idea that he could be mafia. I doubt it, since a Pacifist claim just seems to be way too random and scum based to be a lie.The same could be said for my own role, heh. In the unlikely event that he does turn up as a mafioso, I'm not entirely sure if it'll bring about a lot of info scum-team wise, since we all generally hold the opinion that he's scummy as soap. Maybe someone could look into his brief reads or something, but since that's all he contributed, the info we will have is squat. Which is good for the mafia, of course. Looks like everyone wins with this lynch. :/
As for the whole Celever-LW debate, I'm a bit more comfortable with Light than before I pointed out the fact that everyone just kind of assumed he was town. I'm also relieved that somebody shares my suspicions, but I don't think they're enough to pressure him for. I can't exactly say much without repeating myself, but I will try to look into it after deadline.
I only voted starwarsfan to get answers. While I wasn't really satisfied with what I got, I got answers, so I removed my vote. (The fact that I'm not voting isn't on the count, by the way. <_<) Still not entirely sure if this is an elaborate bus, a town vs. town, or if one of them really is that blatantly scummy. Like I said before, I'm not really impressed or convinced by either of them. It does make for nice discussion to go back onto though in the event that one of them flips, so at least we've got that going on for us.
Now for some minor quips.
Assuming that this is indeed the worst case scenario of five mafia and no protective roles (which I doubt, since skarm did say that he threw out some obviously broken setups, and would be jossed if Ullar is telling the truth) I can assume that the mafia can only have one kill a night, which seems to match up what we had d1. I wouldn't rule out vigilantes holding out to avoid shooting town by accident, or even a failed maf kill on a traitor/BPV with a killer being the one who got B_T. I think I'll be calculating different possibilities during the night to see if I can come up with some favorable scenarios for some of the newer players to see.
I am currently not voting. Walrein has asked me not to hammer, so I will not vote for Ullar. Do I have to vote a placeholder, or can I abstain from voting? This is more of a host question than anything else.
Also, holy cow I did not see how many new players there really are in this game! I made that long post before some of the substitutions, and I guess I just assumed that we were minority. After seeing that list though, I can't really see "picking on newbs" as a valid point. :/
No questions outside of that one for the host. :)
- A really important role like a bodygaurd/safegaurd who was intentionally acting scummy so that mafia might spare him in hopes of pushing a mislynch on him in the future. A fairly ballsy gambit, but possible.
- A person who really didn't want to play the game, probably because he got something really shitty. Subbing for more willing options probably would've been the more logical option in this case, but I did entertain the idea on the premise that his sign-in might've been on "first" impulse like Empoof's.
- Mafia, or at the very least a traitor trying to get the mafia's attention.
I've already said this in my big post, but with his claiming of pacifist, that rules out option 1 from the get-go, which to be honest, probably would've been the most favorable way to portray himself, even if no one bought it. With a claim like that and no cc's (since cc's in this game seem pretty impossible and a doctor cc wouldn't be optimal at this point) he could at least attempt to shift a few votes off for just one day, since lynching a doc seems to be one of the worst things you could do as village. :)
Two could still hold water, but either way, I'd say it's grounds for lynching. His playstyle just seems so intentionally scummy that I seriously thought he was a Fool wanting to get lynched ASAP while reading the thread objectively, until a quick read at the list proved me otherwise. And then I thought he had soft-claimed it, since aside from the fact that Fools aren't in this game, seems believable enough. Since he is not a Fool, I'm mostly comfortable with this lynch now.
And there still remains the idea that he could be mafia. I doubt it, since a Pacifist claim just seems to be way too random and scum based to be a lie.
As for the whole Celever-LW debate, I'm a bit more comfortable with Light than before I pointed out the fact that everyone just kind of assumed he was town. I'm also relieved that somebody shares my suspicions, but I don't think they're enough to pressure him for. I can't exactly say much without repeating myself, but I will try to look into it after deadline.
I only voted starwarsfan to get answers. While I wasn't really satisfied with what I got, I got answers, so I removed my vote. (The fact that I'm not voting isn't on the count, by the way. <_<) Still not entirely sure if this is an elaborate bus, a town vs. town, or if one of them really is that blatantly scummy. Like I said before, I'm not really impressed or convinced by either of them. It does make for nice discussion to go back onto though in the event that one of them flips, so at least we've got that going on for us.
Now for some minor quips.
Assuming that this is indeed the worst case scenario of five mafia and no protective roles (which I doubt, since skarm did say that he threw out some obviously broken setups, and would be jossed if Ullar is telling the truth) I can assume that the mafia can only have one kill a night, which seems to match up what we had d1. I wouldn't rule out vigilantes holding out to avoid shooting town by accident, or even a failed maf kill on a traitor/BPV with a killer being the one who got B_T. I think I'll be calculating different possibilities during the night to see if I can come up with some favorable scenarios for some of the newer players to see.
I am currently not voting. Walrein has asked me not to hammer, so I will not vote for Ullar. Do I have to vote a placeholder, or can I abstain from voting? This is more of a host question than anything else.
Also, holy cow I did not see how many new players there really are in this game! I made that long post before some of the substitutions, and I guess I just assumed that we were minority. After seeing that list though, I can't really see "picking on newbs" as a valid point. :/
No questions outside of that one for the host. :)
Flavor Scene Incoming!
GLaDoS spoke again. "It seems we are experiencing some slight activity problem----" The computer was immediately drowned out by the voices of thirteen people seemingly shouting as loud as they could.
"So much for that." Ford rolled his eyes.
"It looks like you have selected UllarWarlord as your choice for today's victim. Please confirm your selection."
"We confirm." said twelve people.
The thirteenth, UllarWarlord, was instantly surrounded by an Aperture Science Neurotoxin Exposure Chamber. "No! I'm a Pacifist! I don't want to die!"
"Stalemate detected. Please wait for a designated Stalemate Resolution Specialist."
"I'll do it," said Marvin the depressed android. "Living is overrated anyways." He pulled the lever, and UllarWarlord was suffocated in neurotoxin.
The ship's lights turned out again. "My analytics show that you humans are at your highest efficiency when you take a break for a few hours. Please have a nice, long nap.
Day 2 END
(13) Still Alive: (majority is 7 votes)
Ace Emerald (0):
Cancerous (0):
Celever (1):Tesung, LightWolf
Tesung (2):Ace Emerald, starwarsfan, More Cowbell, UllarWarlord UllarWarlord
spiresquire (1): PokeguyNXB
LightWolf (0):
Memoric Nitrox116 (0):
More Cowbell (0):
Obbmud99 (0):Celever
Paperblade PokeguyNXB (1): Cancerous Celever Celever Nitrox116
starwarsfan (0):spiresquire, Nitrox116
UllarWarlord (6): Walrein, Ace Emerald, More Cowbell,Obbmud99, Tesung, Celever, Obbmud99, Lynched with L-1
Walrein (0):
No Lynch (1):PokeguyNXB
Not Voting: Nitrox116, PokeGuyNXB
It is now Night 2. Please get your actions in on time tonight if you have one.
Night 2 will end at this time tomorrow.
GLaDoS spoke again. "It seems we are experiencing some slight activity problem----" The computer was immediately drowned out by the voices of thirteen people seemingly shouting as loud as they could.
"So much for that." Ford rolled his eyes.
"It looks like you have selected UllarWarlord as your choice for today's victim. Please confirm your selection."
"We confirm." said twelve people.
The thirteenth, UllarWarlord, was instantly surrounded by an Aperture Science Neurotoxin Exposure Chamber. "No! I'm a Pacifist! I don't want to die!"
"Stalemate detected. Please wait for a designated Stalemate Resolution Specialist."
"I'll do it," said Marvin the depressed android. "Living is overrated anyways." He pulled the lever, and UllarWarlord was suffocated in neurotoxin.
The ship's lights turned out again. "My analytics show that you humans are at your highest efficiency when you take a break for a few hours. Please have a nice, long nap.
Day 2 END
(13) Still Alive: (majority is 7 votes)
Ace Emerald (0):
Cancerous (0):
Celever (1):
Tesung (2):
LightWolf (0):
More Cowbell (0):
Obbmud99 (0):
Paperblade
starwarsfan (0):
UllarWarlord (6): Walrein, Ace Emerald, More Cowbell,
Walrein (0):
No Lynch (1):
Not Voting: Nitrox116, PokeGuyNXB
It is now Night 2. Please get your actions in on time tonight if you have one.
Night 2 will end at this time tomorrow.
Deadline!
The lights on the Heart of Gold snapped back on.
"Hello, everyone," a new voice said over the speaker. "GLaDoS couldn't maintain enough power to broadcast herself into the ship's mainframe, so I'll be taking over. I'm the Doctor program engineered by--"
"Excellent," Arthur sighed, trying to sound excited. "Now when do I get some tea?"
"It looks like last night, some chemotherapy took Cancer(ous) out of the game:"
Day 3, MYLO Vote Count 1
Today is a MYLO (mislynch and lose) day. If a village-aligned player is lynched today and another village-aligned player is killed tonight, the village will no longer hold a majority vote in the lynch. However, if you No Lynch, the village will continue to hold majority.
(11) Not quite at the final frontier:
(majority is 6 votes)
1. Ace Emerald (0):
4. Celever (0):
5. Tesung (0):
6. spiresquire (0):
8. LightWolf (0):
9. Nitrox116 (0):
10. More Cowbell (0):
11. Obbmud99 (0):
12. PokeguyNXB (0):
13. starwarsfan (0):
15. Walrein (0):
Not voting: everyone
(4) SPAAAAAAAACCCCCCCEEEEEEE
7. Felony-Village-Town Deputy-Lynched Day 1
2. Blue_Tornado-Village-Town Cop-Killed Night 1
14. UllarWarlord-Neutral-Neutral Pacifist-Lynched Day 2
3. Cancerous-Village-Town Innocent Child-Revealed Day 1, killed Night 2
Rule 3 has been eliminated because the way it was written is stupid. Instead, you'll get however much time I feel like giving you at deadline review.
Results are going out now.
Next Vote Count: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 9 (24 hours away) or by request
Deadline Review: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 10 (48 hours away)
Current Deadline: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 11 (72 hours away) or when majority is reached.
Carry on.
The lights on the Heart of Gold snapped back on.
"Hello, everyone," a new voice said over the speaker. "GLaDoS couldn't maintain enough power to broadcast herself into the ship's mainframe, so I'll be taking over. I'm the Doctor program engineered by--"
"Excellent," Arthur sighed, trying to sound excited. "Now when do I get some tea?"
"It looks like last night, some chemotherapy took Cancer(ous) out of the game:"
Day 3, MYLO Vote Count 1
Today is a MYLO (mislynch and lose) day. If a village-aligned player is lynched today and another village-aligned player is killed tonight, the village will no longer hold a majority vote in the lynch. However, if you No Lynch, the village will continue to hold majority.
(11) Not quite at the final frontier:
(majority is 6 votes)
1. Ace Emerald (0):
4. Celever (0):
5. Tesung (0):
6. spiresquire (0):
8. LightWolf (0):
9. Nitrox116 (0):
10. More Cowbell (0):
11. Obbmud99 (0):
12. PokeguyNXB (0):
13. starwarsfan (0):
15. Walrein (0):
Not voting: everyone
(4) SPAAAAAAAACCCCCCCEEEEEEE
7. Felony-Village-Town Deputy-Lynched Day 1
2. Blue_Tornado-Village-Town Cop-Killed Night 1
14. UllarWarlord-Neutral-Neutral Pacifist-Lynched Day 2
3. Cancerous-Village-Town Innocent Child-Revealed Day 1, killed Night 2
Rule 3 has been eliminated because the way it was written is stupid. Instead, you'll get however much time I feel like giving you at deadline review.
Results are going out now.
Next Vote Count: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 9 (24 hours away) or by request
Deadline Review: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 10 (48 hours away)
Current Deadline: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 11 (72 hours away) or when majority is reached.
Carry on.
Eek, MYLO. That's pretty scary. PokeguyNXB hasn't really said anything as of now. Then again, I do feel like Tesung gets awfully defensive a lot of the time, and I'm still keeping an eye on starwarsfan.
I'm going to vote to lynch PokeguyNXB just to get him to post.
I'm going to vote to lynch PokeguyNXB just to get him to post.
See any patterns? I do. Walrein, Celever and Tesung are voting on both votes that ended up being lynched.
Also, after I unvoted, Celever decided to Lynch Ullar. To me this tells me that he wanted to insure I couldn't cancel out the vote by voting Tesung, and with the support of one person we could have tied the vote. By celever changing his vote 2 hours before the count, very few people would be able to counter with a vote on tesung to balance it out, tying the lynch. I would like you to elaborate on this.
Lynch Celever
Also, Walrein asked us not to hammer Ullar, yet in the same post he said that he should said that there is no reason not to vote him. How can we not hammer him, but also not vote for him.
Tesung, I would like to hear why you, walrein, and celever have the same reasoning to lynching Ullar of "why not vote ullar". Can you seriously not find any other reason that he couldn't be helpful to the village other than "hes a neutral"? I underlined my points for you.
On a side note, we are on MYLO. We can't afford to make any more mistakes. We need to get a mafia member. Based on the numbers of the village, there are 11 voters. If we mislynch tonight, and the mafia kills a village, there will be 9 (majority 5). This leads me to believe that there are 5 mafia, and 6 village/neutral. We need to work together to win this. This is our last chance to get a good vote, so lets get a mafia scum.
Count the neutrals with the mafia, as MYLO means that the village will no longer have majority – not necessarily that the mafia will get majority.
There's either a lot of mafia or a lot of third party roles with it being MYLO this early. Not a good sign.
I said there's no reason not to LYNCH him. As in, no reason to switch targets. I wasn't calling for more votes. I asked the village not to hammer because I wanted to make it home in time to post something substantial about Celever, which clearly never happened.
On the subject of Celever, I'm not gonna do a post-by-post of him because he has too many damn posts. But I AM going to discuss him.
Here's the deal. Yesterday I was leaning scum on Celever, and I finally figured out why: he's trying extremely hard not to piss anybody off, he's backing down too easily, and he's conceding too many points. Those qualities, while also present in a timid townie, can be a sign of scum pretty often - it's how I got caught in one of my earlier Smogon NOC experiences.
That was yesterday, though. The Cancerous kill is throwing me for a loop, and I have no fucking clue why the mafia would kill someone contributing that little and with a role confirmed to be pretty useless. A more interesting point, however, is the fact that both me and LightWolf are alive. Apparently the mafia was entirely unconcerned about whatever it was that I was going to post about Celever yesterday. It's also possible they thought I'd be BG'd, I guess, but then LightWolf survived too, and he's been riding Celever for a while.
What does this tell me? The mafia doesn't care about people who post opinions about Celever. Either he's an expendable scum, or he's a timid town. And I have no fucking clue which.
The fact that LightWolf's survived this long strikes me as odd. You would think that he would be one of the first nametargets, up there with B_T. I suppose it would be OK to assume he's been BG'd, but there were so many potential targets for a BG last night (the confo townies, LW, me if you really wanted to hear my thoughts on Celever) that I don't understand why the mafia wouldn't take a potshot at me.
We haven't heard anything substantial out of starwarsfan in a while.
Lynch starwarsfan
What are your thoughts on:
-Celever
-The deaths so far
-Your scumreads
Obbmud99 said:
I said there's no reason not to LYNCH him. As in, no reason to switch targets. I wasn't calling for more votes. I asked the village not to hammer because I wanted to make it home in time to post something substantial about Celever, which clearly never happened.
On the subject of Celever, I'm not gonna do a post-by-post of him because he has too many damn posts. But I AM going to discuss him.
Here's the deal. Yesterday I was leaning scum on Celever, and I finally figured out why: he's trying extremely hard not to piss anybody off, he's backing down too easily, and he's conceding too many points. Those qualities, while also present in a timid townie, can be a sign of scum pretty often - it's how I got caught in one of my earlier Smogon NOC experiences.
That was yesterday, though. The Cancerous kill is throwing me for a loop, and I have no fucking clue why the mafia would kill someone contributing that little and with a role confirmed to be pretty useless. A more interesting point, however, is the fact that both me and LightWolf are alive. Apparently the mafia was entirely unconcerned about whatever it was that I was going to post about Celever yesterday. It's also possible they thought I'd be BG'd, I guess, but then LightWolf survived too, and he's been riding Celever for a while.
What does this tell me? The mafia doesn't care about people who post opinions about Celever. Either he's an expendable scum, or he's a timid town. And I have no fucking clue which.
The fact that LightWolf's survived this long strikes me as odd. You would think that he would be one of the first nametargets, up there with B_T. I suppose it would be OK to assume he's been BG'd, but there were so many potential targets for a BG last night (the confo townies, LW, me if you really wanted to hear my thoughts on Celever) that I don't understand why the mafia wouldn't take a potshot at me.
We haven't heard anything substantial out of starwarsfan in a while.
Lynch starwarsfan
What are your thoughts on:
-Celever
-The deaths so far
-Your scumreads
Also, addressing Obbmud's last point about Ullar potentially helping the village: maybe in the short run, but as LightWolf pointed out, in the endgame he would almost certainly have sided with the mafia given that they have control over half his win condition.
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