atomicllamas; On that OTR Reuniclus set maybe TR+Sub+2 attacks? that way it can ignore shuckle Knock Off and be ready for the next threat. You'll be at threat from Encore, but honestly I doubt anyone would expect Sub there.
I never said Doublade can break everything. That's like saying Scizor is 'manageable' in RU because it can't break Moltres. The calculations I chose were just to show how it fares against Special Attackers, who supposedly check it. And the 'fifth move' wasn't even necessary, because at +2, it can 2HKO all offensive mons with Shadow Claw/Shadow Sneak/Iron Head. That was just to show a possibility.
Doublade can simply threaten a lot of things, far more capable than any single Pokémon in the tier. And once again, maybe I am over-estimating Doublade because of Spikes and SR, since it tends to force switches. Let's wait and see how it pans out after Froslass/Shuckle are gone.
dont understand how you think shuckle > frosslass. sure sticky web is an amazing hazard, but not being able to do anything to set up sweepers turn 1 is pretty miserable. you can encore but its less than 50% chance that you'll encore the right move as some set up mons may just be choiced or go for an attack that may 2hko (or have a secondary effect like doublade/coba head flinch).
imo despite its superior defenses, shuckle is not as sturdy as frosslass. Shuckle has no offensive prowess and literally just sets up hazards and switches. it may have base 230 defenses, but don't forget about its miserable hp. Additionally you have to invest in speed to ensure that you can set up more hazards on slower pokemon like escav/slowking. Because of frosslass's decent attack and amazing ghost/ice coverage, a lot of pokemon that could take it out are unable to because frosslass outspeeds them and weakens them/ takes them out. there's also the never ending fear of destiny bond.
With shuckle you play around just hazards, but frosslass forces you to play around the actual pokemon. It's ghost typing supports the team by limiting HJK's, spins, and other fighting attacks which helps pokemon like rhyperior significantly. I can't tell you how many times I stayed in on a hitmonlee knocking off a pokemon fearing a ghost type switch in.
also must be nice having braviary whenever they defog.
With shuckle you play around just hazards, but frosslass forces you to play around the actual pokemon. It's ghost typing supports the team by limiting HJK's, spins, and other fighting attacks which helps pokemon like rhyperior significantly. I can't tell you how many times I stayed in on a hitmonlee knocking off a pokemon fearing a ghost type switch in.
also must be nice having braviary whenever they defog.
I think that statement alone goes to show how you view the whole thing. Froslass and Shuckle are both too powerful for RU and they will be suspected.(unless you're like, using Xatu or magic bounce, and let's be honest, that's not a good idea)
Laddering RU suspect was one of the worst experiences of my life lol. I have no idea why Froslass is being suspected at all. I haven't seen it used much at all, and it pales to the setter that is Shuckle. Shuckle can set up web or rocks without fail unless you either have hax on your side or are using choice band rhyperior with rock blast that gets 5 hits. What? You want to set up on Shuckle? Say hello to encore. Between herb and sturdy, you really cannot prevent web getting up (unless you're like, using Xatu or magic bounce, and let's be honest, that's not a good idea). There's a surprising lack of good spinners and defoggers in RU, and shuckle also carries utility role in that it can knock off and encore.
I'm still 100 COIL short of reqs at this moment, but I just wanted to post this. I have no idea why Froslass is being suspected. Also, Shuckle is terrible. Bleh, laddering this was torture.
Laddering RU suspect was one of the worst experiences of my life
It took over because of Froslass. That's how overcentralizing it is.I am finding Froslass relatively underwhelming considering that is being suspected. I know it's amazing but the whole Shuckle thing really took over. I think Shuckle should be suspected immediately after Froslass. Additionally, if Froslass is not banned and we decide to suspect (and ban) Shuckle, I think Froslass deserves another suspect test.
Also, 800 posts aww yee
8 timesedit: jesus, how many times did I say "Froslass Offense" or "Froslass HO" in this post? lol