[UPDATED] Cloud Of Dust

[Hiroaki]

Introduction:
Hi everyone, i'm Hiroaki. I'm newbie on Pokemon competitive, so my team building isn't the best. I come here for try to get some help from u guys, please rate my team and give me advice.
My objective for this team is build a team where Mega-Mawile can carry, i think Mega-Mawile is pretty strong and when is on substitute can deal serious damage without get hurt, so i tried make this team with the objective supporting Mega-Mawile. But i dont want 100% support Mega-Mawile, because i'm newbie and i'm not the best player in the world, if i do some mistakes on game and this mistakes cost my Mega-Mawile life i want have some alternatives to deal against enemy's team.​

Team at first view:

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Don'tStopMeNow (Mawile) (F) @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef / 208 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Focus Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Substitute

Role on the Team:
Mawile is the main sweeper of my team. His job is carrying late game or enter mid game against some dragon who cant kill him, or another Pokemon who Mawile give counter and deal the max damage he can and quit safe.

Description:
I cant tell a lot about his set because its standard set. Anyway, about ev spread i prefer 40 HP/ 252 ATK/ 8 SDef / 208 SPD. 252 Attack is for deal more damage with Huge Power is really op, 208 Speed is for outspeed Mega-Scizor with only 4 ev's speed, if Focus Punch don't kill i'll need attack first for take him down, the others one i throw 40 on HP, and 8 on SDef. EV spread recommended by Aragorn the King (finncent1).
About moveset i prefer Substitute than Sword Dance because Mega-Mawile don't have a lot of speed, and sucker punch isn't enough to sweep all team even with +2, also i don't like to use Sticky Web isn't the type of strategy i like, so i think Substitute is better because allow me use 2 moves for less cost than damage they would give me. Play Rough and Sucker Punch are core on Mega-Mawile sets i have nothing to say about these 2 moves. I have seeing some Fire Fangs on Mega-Mawile, i dont like it because make me useless again Heatran even if i'm on substitute, i prefer Focus Punch because allow me kill heatran and i already fight against a lot of Skarmorys and i take good damage and that's why i prefer Focus Punch.

Synergy:

- Tyranitar, Dragonite, Latias.

- Dragonite, Latias, Thundurus.

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cloud of dust (Tyranitar) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Pursuit
- Ice Beam
- Stone Edge

Role on the Team:
Tyranitar is the sandstorm and Stealth Rock setter, this sandstorm help me with excadrill and dealing with some sunny setters like Charizard-Y and Ninetales. Tyranitar also is my tank and pursuit trapper who is really necessary because Latias/Latios, Espeon and some others Pokemons.

Description:
I choose Tyranitar for the great synergy he has with Mandibuzz and Excadrill. He can help Excadrill is really good with Mega-Mawile because he can clean easily some Pokemons and let the late game for Mega-Mawile, and he only have double speed boost with Sand so, that's why i bring Tyranitar for my team. Previously i was with Hippodown but after some games and with help of xJownage i decided put Tyranitar instead of Hippodown, after Aragorn The King (finncent1) said me to make this ev spread and moveset because would be more useful. 248 HP is for Stealth Rock Make less damage on him, 252 Def is because Tyranitar already have nice sp.def with sandstorm boost and 252 Def let me check some Pokemons. I throw the the others 8 on atk. Relaxed is for don't affect Ice Beam move and i don't really need outspeed something. About moveset is another standard move set, Stealth Rock is because is needed in all teams, Pursuit is because he is my Pursuit Trapper, Ice Beam for killing dragons or Landorus predicting also is hopeful against others Pokemons like Thundurus etc if i don't wanna risk doing stone edge because of low accuracy, Stone Edge is an STAB with good damage and is really need on Tyranitar.

Synergy:

- Dragonite, Thundurus, Latias.

- Dragonite, Thundurus, Latias.

- Mawile, Dragonite, Excadrill, Thundurus.

- Excadrill, Thundrurus.

- Dragonite, Latias.

- Mawile, Dragonite, Thundurus, Latias.
Fairy- Mawile, Excadrill.

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Jessie (Dragonite) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 216 HP / 64 Atk / 228 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Claw

Role on the Team:
Dragonite is my Bulky one. He is very useful with this build he also cover the 2 weakness of Mega-Mawile. He fits really well on my team as Special Tank.

Description:
I put Dragonite on my team because he has a perfect synergy with Mega-Mawile, Dragonite cover the 2 weakness of Mega-Mawile and Mega-Mawile cover the 4 weakness of Dragonite, they work pretty well together awesome combo. Now about the set and moves. The ev spread is the standard for bulky Dragonite, recommended by Aragorn The King (finncent1) I can deal with a lot of Thread and with multiscale even better, also leftovers and Roost help me keeping full health for multiscale. Extreme Speed is priority sometimes save me a lot, priority is always welcome on teams. Earthquake is for cover the Dragon Claw and Extreme Speed, both moves cant deal with Steel type, so Earthquake cover that one. I wish i could say more about Dragonite because i think he really fit well with Mega-Mawile but i don't have nothing to say. Also i'm thinking switch Toxic for Dragon Claw, Dragon Claw dont isn't super effective against nothing and damage isnt high, i cant fight 1on1 against another dragon because Dragonite is really slow, so i think would be useful for stalling with him or with Mandibuzz spawning Roost. Say me what u think about it. Or even switch Dragon Claw for Heal Bell because my team is very weak against toxic and Burn. My big Thread is Gliscor Sub-toxic, and if i get burn i'm screw.

Synergy:

- Mawile, Excadrill.
Fairy - Mawile, Excadrill

- Mawile.

- Mawile, Excadrill.

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Killer Queen (Excadrill) (F) @ Life orb Air Ballon
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SpDef
Adamant Nature
- Sword Dance
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide

Role on the Team:
He is the one who can outspeed a lot of threads for my team. He is the cleaner for Mega-Mawile. He is the alternative sweeper. Good damage dealer. Dont know more about to say about him :C

Description:
I think Excadrill is needed for my team because he combo nice with Tyranitar and can make the things going easy for Mega-Mawile, and that's my objetive, make Mega-Mawile carrying the game with the help of all 5 members. Excadrill have nice speed, nice damage and with sword dance can make the things really worst for the enemy. About ev spread is the base ev spread, 252 speed 252 attack and 4 SpDef, i chose sp.def because damage on Stealth Rock and also i have 29 iv HP becasue Life Orb. I think Adamant is better that jolly because i can outspeed all i need with adamant and bonus damage never is too much. About the moveset, is the standard again (yeah i know i always use standard movesets xD) 3 core move: Rock Slide, Earthquake, Iron Head. And Sword Dance i prefer Sword Dance than Rapid Spin because i already have Defog on Mandibuzz, before i was using Rapid Spin but Nova suggested me to change for Sword Dance and really works better. Sword Dance let me deal a lot of damage, and late game when Excadrill counters are low hp or already dead is free sweep for him with Sword Dance he can kill anyone 1hit-ko.

Synergy:

- Dragonite, Thundurus, Latias

- Dragonite, Thundurus, Latias.

- Dragonite, Tyranitar, Latias

- Dragonite, Latias.

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Jessie's Girl (Latias) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Defog
- Healing Wish
- Psychic


Role on the Team:
Latias is another Special sweeper and my check against Keldeo, also hazard cleaner. Recommended by Nog.

Description:
Latias is very useful for my team because let me check Keldeo without problems, clean my hazards and fit better than Mandibuzz on my team.
About moveset is pretty simple, Psychic and Draco Meteor as STAB, is always necessary. Defog for clean hazards. Healing Wish for help another pokemon if Latias isn't necessary or if she is going to die anyway. About ev spread: 72 HP/ 252 Spd / 184 SAtk. 252 spd is to outspeed all pokemons that she can. 72 HP is for extra bulky and 184 SAtk is enough to kill Keldeo and Mega-Venassaur 2 annoying pokemons.

Synergy:

- Excadrill, Mawile.

- Mawile.
Fairy - Mawile, Excadrill.

- Mawile, Dragonite, Excadrill, Thundurus.

- Tyranitar, Mawile.

- Tyranitar.

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THUNDER THUNDER (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

Role on the Team:
He is the offensive support. Prankster + Thunder Wave is really helpful. Also can deal with some threads who can be painful against my team.

Description:
Thundurus is really helpful for this team, he cover some weakness of my team, and is the best offensive support ever (my opinion). He can paralyze, damage, check, he is amazing. I was needing him for my team. Nova saved my life when recommended him. I was using Rotom-w, but Thundurus is better on my team. The set is simply. Timid for outspeed the max of threads possibly, 252 SAtk/ 4 SDef/252 spd. 4 Sdef instead of 4 HP for Stealth Rock take less HP. Thunder Wave is essential for Thundurus this gen, with all these offensive threads he is perfect to stop them with thunder wave. Thunderbolt is the usual stab, Hidden Power Ice for cover Thunderbolt weakness (Ground.) and Focus blast for deal with Tyranitar, Heatran, pokemons with big SDef who Fight is super effective. I don't use Taunt on him, because i already have on Mandibuzz and i think Hidden Power Ice and Focus Blast are more useful. Also i don't use Nasty Plot because why i need boost? He isn't the sweeper of my team and Life Orb already help dealing a lot of damage.

Synergy:

- Mawile.

- Mawile, Excadrill.

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THREADS

The only thread i really know who can destroy all my team is Gliscor SubToxic and burns. This 2 things destroy my team i cant deal with this. If i switch Thundurus on Gliscor he is already on subs and toxic my and i cant do shit. Also burns on Mawile or Excadrill ruin all my game. Mega-Pinsir also could be a problem, but i usually can deal with him. So if u guys can help me dealing with Gliscor SubToxic and Burn, pls HELP ME!
PS: I was thinking switch Mandibuzz for Skarmory Brave Bird/Defog/Taunt/roost. Even if i dont get immunity to sleep, i think would be better to stop Gliscor Subtoxic. I hope u guys help me thanks for all who already help me.

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH I DON'T LIKE TRANSLATE I HOPE U UNDERSTAND!!​

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[Nova]

Hi Hiroaki

Welcome to Smogon. This is a solid team to begin with but I do have some suggestions that could help improve it. Looking at your team, Keldeo looks to be a threat, especially Specs and Life Orb/Expert Belt sets. Nothing can really switch into Specs Keldeo as everything is 2HKO'ed at worse and the majority of the time he's faster than anything on your team, except for Excadrill in sand. So if Keldeo comes in on Mawile, Hippowdon, Mandibuzz, or Excadrill outside of Sand, you basically have to sac something. Another threat to your team is Mega Gyarados. With Intimidate he can look to set up Dragon Dance vs Mawile, Hippowdon, or Excadrill and do a number to your team at +1/+1. To help with these threats, I'd consider Thundurus over Rotom-W. Thundurus helps stop Gyarados with a Prankster Thunder Wave, allowing Mawile and Dragonite to outspeed it and revenge. He also can deal with Keldeo easily with Thunderbolt or also slow down Scarf Keldeo with priority Thunder Wave. Lastly, he can help your team handle Greninja as well as which Rotom-W currently does as Thunder Wave pretty much shuts him down as well.

Having both Rapid Spin on Excadrill and Defog on Mandibuzz is redundant. Swords Dance over Rapid Spin Excadrill works very well for your team as it gives him additional damage to break physical walls, allowing Mawile and Dragonite to clean up. SD Excadrill can also give opposing offensive teams trouble as a +2 Excadrill in sand is extremely dangerous if they let him set up not expecting you to have SD. Also, you're missing 4 EVs on Dragonite so just throw those into Special Defense or Defense.

Hope I helped and good luck with your team.

Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

 

[Vxy]

If you want to remove Hippowdon, I have two suggestions:

Deoxys-D:
You can use Deoxys-D with both hazards, Stealth Rock and Spikes depending on what you want. You can use a set like Stealth Rock, Spikes, Magic Guard, and Knock Off. EVs and nature is up to you.

OR

Deoxys-S:
You can use an offensive Life Orb version but with Stealth Rock. Maybe SR + 3 attacks? Idk how you want to play. Whatever you think might be a problem for your team.

Another thing: try a Dragonite with Weakness Policy with these attacks: Draco Meteor, Fire Blast/Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Extremespeed. I've tried it many times and it's awesome!

 

[xJownage]

to form a good defensive core, you can replace hippo with AV ttar, which tanks special attacks mandi cant take and still provides valuable sand for your exca.

replace thunder punch with fire punch. mandi already handles BD azu, and mawile can beat up banded and AV variants. also make it 248 HP and 8 speed, it allows you to tank hits much better and gives you double speed creep to outspeed other base 80s, even if they do run creep.

 

[Hiroaki]

I appreciate all help from all of u, i already change Dragonite set lately i'll edit here. I was thinking in switch hippodown for Ferrothorn, he can deal with greninja easy and anothers threads better than hippo and can put SR also. And replace excadrill for Landorus special sweep. What u guys think?

 

[xJownage]

I appreciate all help from all of u, i already change Dragonite set lately i'll edit here. I was thinking in switch hippodown for Ferrothorn, he can deal with greninja easy and anothers threads better than hippo and can put SR also. And replace excadrill for Landorus special sweep. What u guys think?

i still think you can go to AV ttar and not have to swap exca alltogether. just do that, it will be easier for you. You can just use AV ttar to bring in sand and provide great synergy with mandibuzz, while keeping exca, a decent sweeper who fits great on this team with mawile, since he can clean extremely well.

 

[Aragorn the King]

Protips: Run 248 HP on Tyranitar and Mandibuzz and 0 HP on Excadrill. This is just for less SR damage.

Viability: The Pokemon are all extremely viable. However, some things in my opinion need work. First, Assault Vest is a poor item on Tyranitar, Specially Defensive is a poor EV spread (as Sandstorm makes it already high enough), and Payback is a poor move. Additionally, your team lacks Stealth Rock, which is a very important move for every team. I would recommend switching Assault Vest to Leftovers, your max Special Defense to max Defense, and the move Payback to Stealth Rock. Additionally, Stone Edge is extremely important on Tyranitar, and should be used over Superpower. Next, Whirlwind and Rocky Helmet, the latter especially, are generally poor moves on Mandibuzz. Leftovers is, in my opinion, much better, as it allows it to survive more hits at the small cost of losing out on some contact damage. Also, Whirlwind is okay, but I prefer Taunt, which is helpful for beating Stall hard.

Goal: Your goal is to sweep/clean with Mawile; that's pretty clear.


Support: Sandstorm is very useful for Mawile itself, as it allows it to break through Pokemon faster. Additionally, four of your Pokemon are immune to the sand, and one is very offensive and doesn't care. A problem arises with Dragonite. Dragonite is a cool Pokemon that relies a lot on Multiscale. However, with sand damage and no recovery, Choice Band Dragonite doesn't seem to fit. However, you are right, Dragonite is a fantastic Pokemon to couple with Mawile. Additionally, your team is still a tad Keldeo and Landorus weak. Therefore, I'd recommend using a Bulky Roost Dragonite set. Here's the set:

Bulky Roost
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name: Bulky Roost
move 1: Roost
move 2: Dragon Claw
move 3: Extreme Speed
move 4: Earthquake
ability: Multiscale
item: Leftovers
nature: Adamant
evs: 216 HP / 64 Atk / 228 SpD

This set combines offense and defense, and doesn't care about sand damage as much thanks to Roost and Leftovers. It counters Keldeo and Landorus and Charizard Y, and is still strong enough to revenge kill things Mawile can't finish off. Overall it supports your team better than Choice Band Dragonite does. Also, you already have three Pokemon immune to ground to cover Mawile's weakness, so I think Life Orb is definitely superior to Air Balloon. Mega Mawile is so good; it needs little support to function. With a revenge killer, a special BO Pokemon (Dragonite), a physical BO Pokemon (Tyranitar), and a Special Attacker (Thundurus), I think your team does it super well!

Other Comments: I would add some speed to Mawile. 208 is the maximum you'd go, as it allows Mawile to RK Mega Scizor with 4 Speed EVs. This is especially important if Focus Punch is not in KO range. This is optional, of course. Other than that, this team seems pretty solid! GJ and GL!

 

[Hiroaki]

Really thanks man all u said make extremely sense! Already edited. Thanks all of u for helping me, all of yours advice were great. Thanks.


I have a big problem on my team. Gliscor SubToxic and Will-o-Wisp, i no have an pokemon who is imune to burn and is hard for thundurus dealing with gliscor when he is on subs. Also after thundurus Gliscor can deal with all my team

 

[Nog]

What's going on Hiroaki? Really nice team tbh and did you make those Pokemon pics? Solid job if you did. Agreeing with Nova that Keldeo is a pretty big problem and even though you have a better check with his suggested Thundurus, you still dont have much to swap into it. Mandibuzz is honestly the weakest link to the team, it's redundant type wise and kills offensive momentum. Try running Latias over Mandibuzz for a better answer to Keldeo, for another special attacker, and for one of the greatest moves you can offer an offensive team - Healing Wish (helps a shit ton when things get worn down). You keep your ground immunity so you can have your 3 weak, 3 immune thing still going but now you also have a solid answer to another Pokemon that gave you trouble, Mega Venusaur.

Some minor changes include itemization of your Tyranitar. You honestly want to keep sand up as long as you can and so Smooth Stone > Leftovers is the preferable choice. Dragon Dance can be considered on Dragonite over Earthquake, but you would need to play more cautiously against Aegislash as now you can't touch him (with Dragonite). Other than that really good team man, hope I helped!

Latias Set

Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Defog
- Healing Wish
- Psychic

 

[Cherub Agent]

This is a really nice team, possibly consider Air Balloon on Excadrill over Life Orb? You get weaker, but do have Swords Dance to patch that up, and it also means that SubToxic Gliscor literally can't touch you, and it'll also help against stuff like Mega Pinsir if sand isn't up.

 

[Hiroaki]

Thanks both of u. I'll replace Mandibuzz for Latias and Life Orb for Air Ballon, because Gliscor is really annoying for my team. Now, only one problem left BURNS ! They destroy my team, i cant do nothing against them :c

Nog. and yes it was me who made the images for my team :D

 

[Nog]

Thanks both of u. I'll replace Mandibuzz for Latias and Life Orb for Air Balloon, because Gliscor is really annoying for my team. Now, only left one problem BURNS ! They destroy my team, i cant do nothing against them :c

would just like to point out that Air Balloon isnt all that great of a swap. You have 3 Ground immunities so you can just absorb toxic by a pokemon like Thundurus and force him out because you can OHKO him. On top of that the damage decrease is quite noticeable. You get worn down easier with Life Orb, but you have Healing Wish on Latias to mitigate all of that. It also helps with burns and such as it completely cures the receiver.

 

[Hiroaki]

I was now on ladder and i have difficult killing ferrothorn, because he does 59% gyro ball on Mawile, isn't safe switch at all and i only can kill with focus punch would be easy 2h.ko for him. I don't have other pokemon who can kill him :s

 

[Aragorn the King]

I was now on ladder and i have difficult killing ferrothorn, because he does 59% gyro ball on Mawile, isn't safe switch at all and i only can kill with focus punch would be easy 2h.ko for him. I don't have other pokemon who can kill him :s

Latias and Thundurus beat a) Dragons and b) Gliscor, so one possible change would be to swap Ice Beam with Fire Blast on Tyranitar. Unfortunately, Tyranitar is weak to Gyro Ball and Power Whip; however, Fire Blast will certainly force Ferro out, or just 2HKO it outright. Most Ferrothorn won't stay in on Mawile, for they fear Fire Fang, so Mawile should be able to check it fine; but, adding Tyranitar as insurance couldn't hurt. However, if you don't like that solution, there are of course others. Tyranitar, Excadrill, and Dragonite are all using Earthquake. It's a fine move, but you don't need it thrice, especially when you need another move twice. Switching Earthquake with Fire Punch on Dragonite could also help your team out. It still hits Steel-types fairly hard, and even hits some, like Ferrothorn, Scizor, and Skarmory, harder. Lastly, Latias can sometimes viably run HP Fire. However, if you drop Psychic, you develop a huge Mega Venusaur weakness. Right now, I think your best bet is to add Ferro-insurance on Dragonite instead of Tyranitar, but either or neither both work fairly well. Hope I helped!

 

[xJownage]

subtoxic gliscor is a pain for every team on offense really, and air balloon on exca, while it works in theory, will only get the kill if gliscor is his last Mon. Gliscor can stall 60% of the meta due to poison heal, meaning it will have teams that support its weaknesses. therefore you will only force it out. and on that note, you would have to bring in your sweeper without sand up, which is very dangerous and will often lose you momentum as they switch to the appropriate check, which results in a prediction war on whether you should double switch.

as for ferro, you are using thundy, so why is this a problem again?

4 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (129 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 89-105 (29.6 - 35%) -- 12.1% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 294-346 (83.5 - 98.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

am i missing something?

 

[jpw234]

With Mandibuzz gone I would highly suggest that you replace Focus Blast with Taunt on Thundurus, as you noted you struggle against burns and atm this team looks very weak to something like SpD Sableye, Mew, or other bulky pokemon that would love to spam WoW against you.

 

[xJownage]

With Mandibuzz gone I would highly suggest that you replace Focus Blast with Taunt on Thundurus, as you noted you struggle against burns and atm this team looks very weak to something like SpD Sableye, Mew, or other bulky pokemon that would love to spam WoW against you.

lol sableye in OU. niche as shit. mew is not all that common, and preforms such a wide variety of roles that it is rare. thundy and latias dont care for being burned really so i see no major flaws here. in using taunt you also lose out on that ability to hit ferro so hard and may not even 2hko ones running lefties, which also means you could lose to ferro if you switch in to it. sure mew and sdef sableye arent fun but some niche stuff threatens every team ever.

 

[gnr61]

Nice team here, I like the use of bulky+offensive cores (phys def tar+exca, cbbnite+mawile) with a couple glue mons. Unfortunately this team struggles to break through some pretty basic defensive threats. First of all FB Thunderus is not a good Ferrothorn answer lol. Coming in on Rocks + Leech Seed and requiring two FB hits while Ferro can just Protect or switch out (forcing Thundy to take SR/LS again next time) puts a ton of pressure on a mon you should be using to check offensive threats. Ice Beam on TTar doesn't seem to have much use besides hitting gliscor (you have answers for its other targets) and while Gliscor is admittedly a problem, I think Fire Blast will provide you with a more essential response to Ferrothorn and Skarmory, both of whom like to lead against Tar and are generally more common and problematic to the team.

You still have a Hippowdon problem, it pretty much sits and recovers/EQs/Toxics/Phazes on your whole team. Between FP on Mawile and Fire Blast Tar Ferrothorn is fairly adequately taken care of, so I think you have room for Grass Knot > Focus Blast on Thundurus. Hippowdon is one of the best Thundy counters in the tier as well as a widely relied-upon physical check and luring and KOing it paves the way for all your physical attackers to do work. It also gives you a solid answer to Quagsire, whom none of your other teammates like dealing with due to Scald's burn chance.

Finally, I can't see much reason for Air Balloon on speedy Excadrill, the EQ users you want to check are generally only beaten with the LO boost anyway and LO offers more consistent cleaning potential.

Good luck with the team, hopefully these suggestions help.