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The goal of this thread is as follows. Each week a specific threat or core will be chosen, and each person's goal will be to come up with a Pokemon that can effectively nullify the threat selected that week. When nominating a pokemon, make sure that you give a valid description as to why it is an effective counter to the selected threat, and make sure that it is a true counter, and not just a check. At the end of each week, a voting period will ensue in which everybody will vote for a single nomination as the most effective counter to the selected threat of the week. Feel free to discuss and post in the thread, but make sure you only nominate 1x per week to give everybody equal opportunity! Below is an example nomination.
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Threat: Specs Typhlosion
Counter:
Dragalge @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 252 SAtk / 248 HP / 8 Spd
- Hydro Pump
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor
Dragalge's already titanic 123 base Special Defense further boosted by Assault Vest allows it to consistantly switch into any moves that Typhlosion has. Resisting all of Typhlosion's STAB and coverage moves in Eruption, Fire Blast, HP Grass, and Focus Blast, Dragalge's Dragon / Poison typing gives it a massive boon in defeating Typhlosion.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Dragalge: 99-117 (29.6 - 35%) -- 17.8% chance to 3HKO
As shown by the calc above, Modest Typhlosion's single strongest move which is known for being essentially a guarantee'd OHKO on any switch in results in a 17% chance for a 3HKO against Dragalge, immediatly forcing it out. Because of these reasons, Dragalge makes for an effective counter towards Typhlosion!
Counter:
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 252 SAtk / 248 HP / 8 Spd
- Hydro Pump
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor
Dragalge's already titanic 123 base Special Defense further boosted by Assault Vest allows it to consistantly switch into any moves that Typhlosion has. Resisting all of Typhlosion's STAB and coverage moves in Eruption, Fire Blast, HP Grass, and Focus Blast, Dragalge's Dragon / Poison typing gives it a massive boon in defeating Typhlosion.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Dragalge: 99-117 (29.6 - 35%) -- 17.8% chance to 3HKO
As shown by the calc above, Modest Typhlosion's single strongest move which is known for being essentially a guarantee'd OHKO on any switch in results in a 17% chance for a 3HKO against Dragalge, immediatly forcing it out. Because of these reasons, Dragalge makes for an effective counter towards Typhlosion!
things that are not allowed to be posted:
- anything in LC
- anything with a stupidly specialized set that would only work in the given scenario
- anything in D- or E rank on the viability rankings
- LC ubers may be used, if a LC Pokemon is ranked in C rank or above in the viability rankings it may be used as well
- shedinja
xzern said:[mesprit]
Metang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 80 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Bullet Punch / Pursuit
Hi I am a Steel-type with Toxic, and I counter Mesprit xD
This is why Ice Beam on CM Mesprit is bad by the way, it should run Hidden Power Ground or Fire :')
Week 2:
Counter this threat!
Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Rain Dance
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Giga Drain
nominations close in a week
Munchlax @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Body Slam
- Whirlwind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
This thing is too fat to get 2hko'd, and can either whirlwind ludi out or rest talk it to death.
252+ SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Rain: 160-188 (33.7 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
and
0 Atk Munchlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ludicolo: 108-127 (35.8 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Week 3
Counter this threat!
meow (Pyroar) @ Life Orb
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA
- Fire Blast
- Hyper Voice
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Will-O-Wisp
Lampent @ Eviolite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 96 HP / 252 SpA / 160 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Taunt / Will-O-Wisp / Pain Split
252+ SpA Lampent Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Pyroar: 111-132 (35.3 - 42%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Lampent Flash Fire Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Pyroar : 168-198 (53.5 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Get rekt
Counter This Threat!
Feraligatr @ Lum Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch/Return
- Swords Dance
Tangela @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Knock Off
This is a fantastic switch in to gatr as even at +4 Gatr cant get the OHKO with Ice Punch and will be 2HKOd 100% of the time by giga drain, not to mention you then just switch out and lose all of the damage that Gatr just inflicted.
xzern pleases slash Return on the set as Gatr is quite easy to wall with Ice Punch, but its hard to find something that walls both Ice Punch and Return.
rad
Week 5
Counter This Threat!
Xatu @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Roost
- Heat Wave
bad sets will be removed
Murkrow @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 128 Def / 132 SpD
Bold Nature
- Roost
- Dark Pulse
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
The EVs are designed such that Heat Wave has basically no chance to break the Substitute if we have the same number of Calm Mind boosts.
0 SpA Xatu Heat Wave vs. 248 HP / 132 SpD Eviolite Murkrow: 68-80 (21 - 24.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
On the other hand,
0 SpA Murkrow Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Xatu: 204-240 (61 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It cannot even hope to crit its way past Murkrow because Substitute.
Burd vs Burd, Burd wins.
Also, Murkrow has the bonus of not being mauled by Grass-type coverage like Rhydon and those other peasants.
Week 6
Counter This Threat!
Typhlosion @ Choice Specs
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power Grass / Extrasensory
Is Focus Blast even standard on Specs Typh? I'd imagine it is only slash-worthy at best.
Flareon @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Flare Blitz
- Toxic / Will-O-Wisp / Heal Bell
252 SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Flareon: 117-138 (35.1 - 41.4%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Flash Fire Flareon Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 149-176 (50.1 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Flareon Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 99-117 (33.3 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Walls Typhlosion while boasting recovery in WishTect and decent enough power to bring it down in a hurry if need be. Would've suggested Altaria but that probably won't be relevant in a few month's time.
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