It is for flinching in general, but with stench, it gives the move Flinch chance AND the usual move effect.I thought inner focus was ran for flinching in general, rather than just Stench - Take Greninja and Tauros for instance.
It is for flinching in general, but with stench, it gives the move Flinch chance AND the usual move effect.I thought inner focus was ran for flinching in general, rather than just Stench - Take Greninja and Tauros for instance.
Oh Really? http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/haxmons-160110438I like the irony of this metagame: by making everything haxed you have created a metagame where luck (hax) plays practically no part whatsoever.
T-tar can also set up sand stream for sand rush or sand force excadrill with iron head.I already said this in #haxmons, but I might as well let people know. If you really hate Talonflame, there are some counters no doubt, though they may seem a bit obscure at first glance. Let's take a look at Mega-Tyranitar.
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Tyranitar on a critical hit: 124-147 (36.3 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
that's without bulk investment, now let's take a look at this:
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Tyranitar on a critical hit: 95-112 (23.5 - 27.7%) -- 83.5% chance to 4HKO
lol?
and what can Tyranitar do back?
0 SpA Mega Tyranitar Ancient Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame on a critical hit: 508-600 (171 - 202%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Now Mega-Tyranitar may seem bad, and not viable because of it's speed, but that is not the case. It's not that much slower than some existing threats like Kabutops and Dragonite. It's ability makes Excadrill an incredibly fast, powerful force allowing Excadrill to not only check Talonflame as well, but also dish out powerful, fast iron heads while resisting Extremespeed and Fake Out, very common in this meta. Mega-Tyranitar itself gets a ton of moves it can utilize very well in this meta: Body Slam, Dark Pulse, Fire Punch, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Ice Punch, Ancientpower, Iron Head, Pursuit, Thunder Punch, Thunderbolt, Bite, Water Pulse and much more.
Indeed, that's what I meant though my post was a bit confusingT-tar can also set up sand stream for sand rush or sand force excadrill with iron head.
It's ability makes Excadrill an incredibly fast, powerful force allowing Excadrill to not only check Talonflame as well, but also dish out powerful, fast iron heads while resisting Extremespeed and Fake Out, very common in this meta.
I'm not sure why I would want to use this over Omastar, which is effectively just a bulkier version of Kabutops with higher Special Attack and lower Speed. It doesn't have to worry about critical hits, gets STAB on Ancientpower which is pretty nice for Dragonite, has Scald to thaw from freezes, and isn't weak to Stealth Rock. All in all, Omastar seems like a much better option to me. I've been using a RestTalk set, and the only thing this set really has to worry about is getting flinched before it gets the chance to set up a ton.While not the best check, Lapras can do the job by smacking Talonflame in the face with an Ancient Power. It has to take a burn though from non-choiced TBird (assuming TBird was spamming ESPeed), which is unfortunate since it can no longer beat Greninja with Ice Shard, but you might be able to Heal Bell on something / a switch. Meanwhile with the choiced set you need a free switch-in, although it can't OHKO even with SR. Again, Lapras isn't the best check at all but it can work in a pinch.
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 283-334 (60.9 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 172-204 (37 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Ninetales boasts the same speed, but can run a Heat Rock or choice scarf and two flinching attacks.I am not the only one who noticed that sun negates freeze right?? Zard Y is incredible af.
The main reason to use it (at least imo) is Ice Shard, as otherwise Lapras would be at the mercy of flinch users like Greninja. Lapras also boasts much higher special defense while only having slightly lower physical defense. This bulk is important on a shell armor poke imo. Lapras's Ice STAB also lets it deal with Dragonite much better than Omastar can due to its Ice STAB having priority (ESpeed isn't going to do that much considering no STAB and usually no boosting item, and Lapras is bulky). Heal Bell, while not a super important move on it, is something it has over Omastar. Another small thing it has over it is that it is directly immune to Freeze while Omastar needs to go for Scald in order to thaw (not very major but it is something to note imo) While I'm not saying that Lapras is better than Omastar (Omastar deals with Talonflame much better than Lapras does), there are reasons to use Lapras > Omastar.I'm not sure why I would want to use this over Omastar, which is effectively just a bulkier version of Kabutops with higher Special Attack and lower Speed. It doesn't have to worry about critical hits, gets STAB on Ancientpower which is pretty nice for Dragonite, has Scald to thaw from freezes, and isn't weak to Stealth Rock. All in all, Omastar seems like a much better option to me. I've been using a RestTalk set, and the only thing this set really has to worry about is getting flinched before it gets the chance to set up a ton.
If there was a reason why you suggested this over Omastar or Kabutops within the last page or so, my bad because I didn't catch it!
No. Basically everything can flinch it to death.If Mega Slowbro were to be released early, ya' think he would have a shot in this meta?
I used a Lapras against you and you only said my Galvantula was cheated lolhttp://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/haxmons-161048275 Lapras is cheated ._.
I've been using that Crobat for a while now, and I feel like it's somewhat outclassed by Gengar. Crobat has Inner Focus and a faster base speed, but Gengar has STAB on Ominious Wind, doesn't have to use an item to flinch hax, and can beat the most common Inner Focus users (Lucario and Dragonite) with Focus Blast and Ice Punch.I've been laddering for a while now, and I've discovered a surprisingly effective set. Special Crobat. Wait don't leave yet! Here's the set:
I'm Special (Crobat) @ Wide Lens
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Ominous Wind
- Air Slash
- Sludge Bomb/Giga Drain
- Quick Attack
This set puts all of the best tricks in the meta, and puts them all in one package. (Well maybe not all of them, but quite a few.) It's immune to flinching, so it can easily sweep, it can raise all of it's stats with a reliable coverage move, and can flinchax everything that isn't an Inner Focus pokemon with Air Slash thanks to Wide Lens. Sludge Bomb can drain the foe's HP slowly, or it can Heal itself with Giga Drain, another good coverage move. I prefer Giga Drain, but Sludge Bomb is good too.
I've also found Scarf Sniper Kingdra with waterfall to be a Royal Annoyance. (pun intended) It can hit like a truck, and has some reasonable bulk and speed as well. Another thing I've found to be annoying is Thunderus. Prankster Thunderwave is deviating, and it can deal some good damage as well, making it a huge threat.
>Focus BlastI've been using that Crobat for a while now, and I feel like it's somewhat outclassed by Gengar. Crobat has Inner Focus and a faster base speed, but Gengar has STAB on Ominious Wind, doesn't have to use an item to flinch hax, and can beat the most common Inner Focus users (Lucario and Dragonite) with Focus Blast and Ice Punch.