yea too bad volcanion doesn't have more special attack, can afford to run a modest nature>timid, has a stab to hit Mega V at least neutrally, or can burn it with a more powerful version of stab scald or else it could handle it.
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Pokémon Volcanion
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If Volcanion is cock-blocked hard by two common stall 'mons then it can not be accurately called a wallbreaker. If Volcanion actually becomes popular enough it wouldn't be unheard of for stall to adapt more and run stuff besides Suicune and Chansey to counter it.
My point is that Volcanion can't easily break through its counters like most other "wall breakers". Some, yes, it can burn spam its way through but common stall mons hard counter it making it hard to list Volcanion as a wall breaker. If you are using Volcanion as a wall breaker you most likely will have better options.
Re-read what I wrote.
It isn't actually released. However, it is aviable via hacks, and thus we were able to know its stats, ability and full movepool and theorymon accordingly.
It hasn't been released. We are just theormoning *dunno if that is that's how it's spelled xD*
ninja'd ^_^
A potential set for Volcanion, not sure if this has been brought up yet:
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Modest
Steam Eruption
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
HP Grass
Flame Charge
The purpose of this set is to set up to +1 speed via Flame Charge, thus making up for it's less than desirable Speed stat. Once at +1, it can proceed to tear through pokemon, having the same SpA as Latios, and pretty much perfect coverage. HP Grass>Electric for Rotom-W
Also, a mixed set could be run with Flare Blitz over Flamethrower/Fire Blast, so as to deal with Chansey, coming off a more than decent attack stat in 110 (just shy of the same Attack stat as Arceus to put it into perspective).
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Modest
Steam Eruption
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
HP Grass
Flame Charge
The purpose of this set is to set up to +1 speed via Flame Charge, thus making up for it's less than desirable Speed stat. Once at +1, it can proceed to tear through pokemon, having the same SpA as Latios, and pretty much perfect coverage. HP Grass>Electric for Rotom-W
Also, a mixed set could be run with Flare Blitz over Flamethrower/Fire Blast, so as to deal with Chansey, coming off a more than decent attack stat in 110 (just shy of the same Attack stat as Arceus to put it into perspective).
Banded Terrakion is a pretty good wall breaker, but the comment about volcanion not being a wall breaker because of chansey is ridiculous because chansey walls practically every special attacker that doesn't have secret sword or psysock.
Ops I didn't finish typing. I meant to say name one successful wall breaker that is hard-countered by Chansey. The answer is that basically none of them are. You could run calcs on a Specs Heatran and get similar damage output to what you have for Volcanion vs stall but the reason Specs Heatran is a shitty wall breaker is that stall commonly runs a mon that completely shuts it down. Same with other Special attackers like Greninja, Charizard Y, and even garbage like Togekiss and Volcarona can technically wreck stall but get stopped by Chansey. These Pokemon are not considered wall breakers because they can't do shit to stall's most common Pokemon.
Stop calling Volcanion a wall breaker. I don't know if Volcanion will find a place in OU but I do know that if it does it will not be welcomed in as the death of stall when it can not even touch most standard stall cores.
Nuff said.
A tip for the future: be sure to use this format when sharing a set with other people. It'll be easier for the eyes. ;)
Pokemon @ [insert item here]
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* - Only if an IV has been changed; the default amount of IVs (on PS) is 31.
Anyway, on to your moveset. I like it, but it'll need an item. Life Orb could work, or maybe Expert Belt.
EDIT: Life Orb actually wouldn't be too great, because it'll slightly ruin his overall bulk. As for your EV spread, I'd move the EVs in HP over to either Def or SpDef so you take less damage from SR.
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Specs Volcanion sounds pretty good. Its Steam Eruption hits like a truck and even bulky resists are afraid of switching in as they could be 2HKOed if it scores a burn. Ok, Chansey can switch in safely, but that's not unusual. Since Heatran does defensive sets better (Thanks to its typing. Volcanion can afford not to run Air Balloon. though), I guess Specs is the way to go.
If it proves as good as in paper, I can see the demand for Water immunities rising, and perhaps also pokemon with Natural Cure. (Or perhaps Suicune, but it cannot do anything to Volcanion either if we're going with Cro.)
It also reminds me of BW Volcarona as it 'could' be used in rain as a pokemon that benefited both from it and sun
If it proves as good as in paper, I can see the demand for Water immunities rising, and perhaps also pokemon with Natural Cure. (Or perhaps Suicune, but it cannot do anything to Volcanion either if we're going with Cro.)
It also reminds me of BW Volcarona as it 'could' be used in rain as a pokemon that benefited both from it and sun
We all know Volc is going to be an awesome wallbreaker, but how about as a pivot? It's got pretty good bulk, a decent amount of resistances, Water Absorb, and Steam Eruption.
The only problems I see with it (as of now) is the fact that it's weak to Stealth Rock, which would compromise its bulk, and it's weak to 3 common types (Electric-, Ground, and Rock-types). Although its weaknesses can be mitigated due to the fact that those types wouldn't like switching into Volc (yes, even Electric).
Also, I saw nobody mention this, but Volc could work wonders on a Rain team. Nuff said.
The only problems I see with it (as of now) is the fact that it's weak to Stealth Rock, which would compromise its bulk, and it's weak to 3 common types (Electric-, Ground, and Rock-types). Although its weaknesses can be mitigated due to the fact that those types wouldn't like switching into Volc (yes, even Electric).
Also, I saw nobody mention this, but Volc could work wonders on a Rain team. Nuff said.
Just because a special attacker can't pass Chansey it doesn't mean they can't function as wallbreakers. Keep in mind the only special wallbreaker who Chansey is scared of right of the bat is Keldeo and that is because it's signature move is practically made to screw it. But Keldeo is countered by other walls such as Slowbro whom Mega Charizard Y can break through with Solarbeam. Does that mean Keldeo is a shitty wallbreaker because he can't beat Slowbro? No, cause that is not what he's supposed to do. Very few wallbreakers can demolish all stallmons without setting up but they are still viable because they can break stallmons some other wallbreakers can't. Heck, Chansey has even gotten backlash as of late for being too passive so it isn't the defining stallmon it used to be so being stopped by it doesn't mean your wallbreaking potential are zero.
However since we are all just theorymoning no one can be certain how good Volcanion will truly be, so at the moment we are all either overrating or underrating it. But on paper the only mons who can counter it are Chansey and bulky water mons like Rotom-W, Suicune and Alomomola and even then they also have to throw something else at it than Scald so Suicune has to have another set than CroCune.
You mentioned it's main problem as a pivot = it's SR weakness. Pivots can't be rock weak or they get worn down very quickly, especially since it has no reliable recovery.
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I like what I'm seeing. Although Rotom-W can still run a specially defensive set, which can put a hamper in Volc's attempts.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 212 SpD Rotom-W: 110-129 (36.1 - 42.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Also...
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 212 SpD Rotom-W: 110-129 (36.1 - 42.4%) -- 19.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, Leftovers recovery, and burn damage
Is there anything else Volc could run besides the aforementioned sets? So far, we've put down AV, Specs, and a Substitute Attacker (it's in the OP). Thanks to its SR weakness, a pivot set wouldn't be too great and LO would compromise its bulk.
Flame Charge Volcanion is probably gonna be pretty decent.
Yeah, it can't touch most stall cores because it blasts through Venusaur, Heatran and Skarmory. Only Suicune and Chansey are left, which in turn can be handled by teammates. So I conclude that Volcanion will not be the death of stall.
I think the confusion here is that wall breaker doesn't necessarily mean stall breaker. Volcanion can still potentially break through defensive cores that aren't mean to stall.
Speaking of defensive cores I think Volcanion would do well with Landorus T and Latias. Volcanion resists/immune every weakness landorus T has and almost the same vice-versa. Latias can stop rotom-w, the only threat to both landorus t and volcanion and can also provide defog support for Volcanion
Hey, you don't have a fairy type in your signature.
Hits two bords in one stone; Lando takes care of Chansey that many people have been complaining about the whole time.
Ow yeah you are right lol.
It can't do too much to itself other than Earthquake or Stone Edge (I don't remember if it learns it).
In all seriousness though, the Latis and Gastrodon will probably the closest things to counters that we'll see for Volcanion. And it does have EQ and Stone Edge as mentioned by Eik.
Damn stally thing. >:(
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