Other ORAS Mega Speculation Thread (NO talk about potential bans NOR Aegislash)

[MrCookiepants]

M-Sceptile's stats are ideal, just what I was hoping for.

You do NOT wanna be using Electric attacks at all when that thing is around. 145 speed and 145 special attack at +1 is scary as hell. It could afford to run Modest even.

As for Mega Glalie...

252+ Atk Refrigerate M-Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 313-369 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Enough said. The only thing that can take that is Heatran, and M-Glalie can OHKO with Earthquake.

 

[silver97]

Not going to speculate too much because the meta is going to be completely shaken up with the release of ORAS, but to me Mega Swampert is heading for the ban hammer just as much as Mence. Bulk, t-wave immunity, power and that level of speed make it seem unwallable and borderline impossible to revenge. Other thoughts so far:

I've been excited for Mega Sceptile's stats for a long time, and I'm pretty happy with the distribution. I think it'll be a great non-scarf revenge killer for offensive teams with the potential to clean beautifully late game. Definitely going mixed as none of his special moves look appealing outside of Leaf Storm. Might even be worth considering physical dragon stab with Latias and Latios being everywhere and them having superior special bulk.

I can see Mega Gallade being completely underrated and then coming out of nowhere once the tier settles more. It's stats will only need minor attack and speed boosts to be threatening and it already had acceptable bulk.

Mega Altaria is going to be the new defensive threat to beat and seems to fit on anything from bulky offense to stall.

Mega Slowbro is going to be so hard to handle late game, courtesy of being immune to crits with fantastic bulk.

Glalie I reckon is going to be far more threatening than on paper, courtesy of an extremely spammable STAB with a borderline unwallable finishing kaboom. I still can't work out if it has a beard or not though...

mega swampert will be very threatening on rain teams with those stats, but i think it is not banworthy (at least not in theory imo). mega salamence is very different, it doesn't rely on rain to sweep, it just sets-up and destroy everything without needing any support. also, i don't think sceptile will ever go mixed because 110 is pretty meh, maybe it can run eq just to fuk heatran.

M-Sceptile's stats are ideal, just what I was hoping for.

You do NOT wanna be using Electric attacks at all when that thing is around. 145 speed and 145 special attack at +1 is scary as hell. It could afford to run Modest even.



As for Mega Glalie...

252+ Atk Refrigerate M-Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 313-369 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Enough said. The only thing that can take that is Heatran, and M-Glalie can OHKO with Earthquake.

yeah mega glalie's explosion is unwallable, but you have to consider that you are killing your mega to kill another pokemon so you must think a lot before using this.

 

[Ajwf]

uhm... empoleon exists... volcanion WILL exist. There's plenty of solid options to catch glalie's explosion. Suicune, Slowbro and multiple other bulky waters should be fine with Glalie as glalie doesn't get freeze dry.

 

[Albacore]

oml so may comments already @_@

Anyway here are my thoughts on each mega :

Beedrill

Will probably end up in RU or UU, depending on Speed stat. Leaning towards UU since it allegedly gets a big boost in speed, but I feel like it needs to outspeed Keldeo and Latis to make a splash in OU, which seems likely in all honesty. If it outspeeds Greninja OU seems like a real possibility, but it'll need +50 speed for that to happen which I don't think it will get. Adaptability is really nice but I don't think that bulk is really salvageable, and it'll definitely need to be fast to take advantage of Adaptability U-Turn which will be its main draw.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Beedrill @ Beedrillite
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Poison Jab
- Drill Run
- Protect (required to mega vs offense)

Predicted OU ranking : C (if it's fast enough to even be ranked)

Pidgeot

I think it'll be UU, as long as it gets the appropriate SpA and Speed boosts. Don't see it doing well in OU at all since stuff like Heatran and TTar walls it unless it end up with Focus Blast from tutors. No Guard Hurricane it spammable as heck but MPidgeot probably won't have the greatest SpA unless it gets a huge boost.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- U-turn
- Roost

Predicted OU ranking : D/C-

Slowbro

Will be OU, but only because regular Slowbro is already OU. I really don't see this getting too much usage over Reg Bro simply because most teams prefer the standard Regenerator pivot and don't need the ability to Mega into a bulkier Pokemon as much as they want Regen as well as the Mega slot. It might be to Suicune what MManectric is to Raikou: a mostly better option which takes up a Mega Slot, but isn't significantly better to the point where every team is willing too free up said Mega Slot (that is, as long as it gets a huge boost in Defense like they said it would)

Here's what I think it'll run :

Slowbro @ Slowbroite
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Scald / Psyshock

Predicted OU ranking : B+

Steelix

RU or maybe UU? I really don't see the point of running this in OU since it actually needs sand support to be threatening. Yeah, it's really bulky, but Mega Aggron has the exact same level of bulk, and it really struggles in OU simply due to its lack of reliable recovery. It also has an ability that's more suited for a defensive Pokemon (stall teams won't be able to make use of Sand Force since both sand inducers stack weaknesses with it), and an arguably better typing. Also, the "hitting stuff hard in Sand" thing is done much better by MChomp, so I can't see this thing finding itself a niche in OU

Here's what I think it'll run :

Steelix @ Steelixite
Ability: Sand Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Ice Fang / Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock / Dragon Tail / Rest

Predicted OU ranking : Unranked

Sceptile

Now, this one looks interesting. Sceptile has a very real shot at OU now. I don't see it countering VoltTurn because almost every Electric type carries HP Ice but it'll certainly check it as long as it can outspeed MManectric which it will defenitely want to do (so I do think it'll run Timid even if it pretty much outspeeds everything even if Modest). Seems like a solid cleaner/revenge killer much like MZam, don't think it'll hit quite as hard overall but Leaf Storm gives it a lot of immediate power which will help.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Sceptile @ Sceptilite
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Def
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Giga Drain (more reliable STAB with no drawbacks, pretty nice since Dual STABs+Focus Blast pretty much covers everything) / Hidden Power Rock (if you feel like beating YZard 1v1 and catching Talon on the switch I guess) / Hidden Power Flying (because fuck MHera)

Predicted OU ranking : B+

Swampert

This thing will become the best swift swimmer in the game, however, the loss of a Mega Slot has the unfortunate implication that you can't run MHera on your team which is a problem, but I'm sure people will find a way around that. But yeah, its speed tier is just perfect since it cleanly outspeeds almost the entire metagame in Rain (well, it outspeeds Scarf Lando-T which is a very good benchmark for Speed). Also, it's bulky beyond belief and will live quite a few hits before going down. Thundurus TWave immunity is also really, really nice to have on a Rain team Unfortunately, it doesn't have quite the raw power it wants : it can't cleanly 2HKO MVenu and Ferrothorn completely walls it which is unfortunate. Still, it'll certainly be very good in Rain, as long as you can find another way to beat Ferros and Venus (don't worry, quite a few of these exist - Gothitelle rain anyone?)

Here's what I think it'll run :

Swampert @ Swampertite
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch (for Latis mainly, and also Celebi to a lesser extent)
- Stealth Rock

Predicted OU ranking : B+/A-

Sableye

I legitimately think this thing will be pretty good. Magic Bounce on something defensive is a trait we've always wanted, however, I'm not too sure of thi thing's ability to switch into Rock setters which boils down to how much Defense it gets. In any case, the CM set will destroy stall (but what doesn't in this meta lol) and can be really tough to take down, especially since it can bounce back Taunt and phazing, and choose to not mega to get a random CM off. Yeah, I honestly think it might make OU, though the fact that fairies, particularly MGarde demolishes it may be a small problem. It also probably won't have as much immediate bulk as say, Clefable, and it's pretty lacking on the SpD side without any boosts so it might not be that great, but it'll certainly ruin the hell out of anything defensive.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Sableye @ Sableyete
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Shadow Ball / Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp / Taunt (Taunt+Dark Pulse is your best way of beating Chansey without losing all your PP in the process, though it can't really touch you anyway)

Predicted OU ranking : B/B+

Sharpedo

Didn't think this thing would be good until I realized how tricky Strong Jaws Crunch will make this thing to switch into. It's gong to be a pretty powerful attacker all things considered, however Stall probably won't have much trouble with it, and if Offense still has decent counters in Keldeo and Azumarill (unless this thing gets TFang which will definitely make it way more of a threat), and if you can force it out after it Megas, it becomes much easier to deal with for the rest of the match. Seems like a very solid cleaner, but its lack of bulk is a problem, and it still receives competition from Scolipede who, granted, has worse STABs in terms of coverage and probably won't be as easy to switch into, but can actually switch out and doesn't have to do everything in one go. Will probably be UU all things considered, might get banned from there, who knows.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Sharpedo @ Sharpedoite
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Ice Fang
- Protect

Predicted OU ranking : B-

Camerupt

I've always been a fan of Camerupt, however, it is just a terrible Pokemon in competetive play which is a shame. So I was really glad it got Sheer Force, since it could not have wished for a better ability. However, the fact that its Speed dropped makes a Rock Polish set impossible, which really sucks, but MCamerupt will still hit very hard. I mean, take a look at Nidoking. It only has 85 SpA, and it can still wallbreak decently. Such is the power of Sheer Force. Now, if you remove Life Orb, add around 50 SpA, and make its main STAB 110 BP instead of 90, you end up with one hell of a hard-hitter. The only problem? It's shockingly frail. 70/75/75 bulk is not good, at all. However, since its speed dropped, it'll probably getting a bunch of bulk which will help it, but probably won't be enough for it to have an impact in OU. It does check Thundurus and Volt Switchers in general though, which is very nice, so it'll certainly have a niche, but will probably spend its time in UU.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Camerupt @ Cameruptite
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Rock Slide
- Will-O-Wisp (because what else do you run lol, besides, it's a great way to stop Azu from switching into you for free)

Predicted OU ranking : C/C+

Altaria

Surefire OU, this thing will be amazing. One of the best typings in the game, beats powerful threats such as both Zards and MHera, also hits pretty hard thanks to Pixilate. The fact that it's not getting a major boost in defenses kinda sucks, but it is getting a bit more Phys Def which is exactly what it needs. I would like a Speed boost too, just so that it can have a shot at outspeeding MHera, but that's probably not happening. What I think will happen is that, much like VMenu, it'll initially be used on Stall teams, but then, will be used primarily as glue on bulky offense teams. In any case, this thing will be very good indeed. Also, I really don't think DD will be that good tbh, just stick to the specially based bulky sets IMO.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Altaria @ Altariite
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Roost

Predicted OU ranking : A+

Glailie

Glailie is another Pokemon I like but completely sucks ass, and I don't think its mega is going to change that much as far as OU is concerned. As a base 100 Speed hard-hitting Mega, it's outclassed in OU by the likes of MMedi, MGarde, and YZard. It also has even worse defensive capabilities than all of these courtesy of its typing. Will probably join the growing list of RU Megas, I on't even think it'll make UU due to the sheer amount of Fighting and Fire spam in the tier. It's a shame, because a Refrigerate abuser would've been fun, but Mega-Pinsir this is not. And though Spikes are an okay niche, you're better off with Greninja 99% of the time so eh. And Glaciate Explosion may seem scary, but Explosion is general is pretty mediocre outside of suicide leads, and I really don't think Glailie will be a good suicide lead at all due to its lack of Sash or Speed (or that wasting your Mega Slot on a suicide lead is a good idea at all).

Here's what I think it'll run :

Glailie @ Glailiite
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Spikes / Explosion

Predicted OU ranking : Unranked/D

Salamence

This thing is ridiculously broken lol, I'd be surprised it it doesn't get quickbanned. It has no counters for a start, besides what, Mixed Def Rotom with enough SpD to tank a Draco Meteor? It'll have enough bulk to set up DDs reliably enough speed to smash Offense, enough power and coverage to ruin Stall. Offensive DD, Mix Mence, Fully Special, even Bulky DD (which I swear will be a thing and which I will run), all will be sets and all will be broken. No matter what boosts it gets, i'll be ridiculous. If it get a lot of Defense (which looks likely) it'll start living Ice Shards and use Lando-T as setup fodder. If it gets a lot of Speed it'll be near-impossible to check at +1. This thing will be banned, no matter what

Here's what I think it'll run :

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Aerialate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Return
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast / Draco Meteor

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Aerialate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe ( feel free to adjust for 2HKOs and stuff)
Naive Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Aerialate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Hydro Pump

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Aerialate
EVs: 248 HP / 220 Atk / 40 Speed (depends on the base speed really, this is assuming 115 which may even be too low)
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Return
- Earthquake
- Roost

Predicted OU ranking : Unranked (because it'll be ubers lel)

Metagross

This may be broken too actually, it all depends on how big a speed boost it gets. If it gets over 110 or 120 then it'll probably be banned. No matter what though, it'll be an excellent check to Latis, Clefable and Gardevoir as well as a massive pain to switch into, since Tough Claws Meteor Mash will hit hard as hell. I see this is a huge threat to both defensive and offensive teams alike. It'll definitely be top-tier OU, but the speed will be the decider between broken and not here.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Hammer Arm / Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt / Thunder Punch / Pursuit

Predicted OU ranking : A+/S

Latios and Latias

Literally just better versions of both Latis, all there really is to it. However, don't think a lot of team will run them simply because most offensive teams like to run a Lati alongside another mega. That being said, if you have the opportunity to run Latias or Latios as your mega, absolutely go for it, there is literally no reason not to. MLatios hits almost as hard as the regular version, and sports much, much more bulk especially since it doesn't take LO recoil every turn. MLatias is phenomenally bulky, bulkier overall than MVenu, and won't be all that easy to pursuit trap as a result. Both of these megas will be bigger threats than the regular formes for sure. They may be broken but idk, we'll see how it does in practice. (also DD MLatios will not be a thing, stop fooling yourselves people)

Here's what I think they'll run :

what they already run in OU minus trickscarf

Predicted OU ranking : S for the both of them

Lopunny

Will not be OU IMO. Probaly end up UU or possibly even BL simply because it'll be one of the fastest things in the tier and will have a very spammable HJK, but it simply won't have the power to make OU, I can only see it getting up to +50 Atk and that brings it to 126 base, for comparison, MManectric has 135 base SpA and it's seen as very weak. That being said, its STABs are a lot stronger than MManectric, so at least it has that going for it. Unresisted STABs are very nice especially when they are this powerful, so I can see this being decent but not particularly great, since physically bulky Pokemon for the most part will be able to wall it.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Lopunny @ Lopunnyite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Return
- Drain Punch
- Healing Wish / Fake Out / Baton Pass / Substitute / Heal Bell / Toxic (this thing has literally 2 free slots so feel free to run whatever)

Predicted OU ranking : B-

Gallade

If this thing gets over 100 Speed, it might be decent in OU. If not, it'll be completely outclassed by MMedi. And yeah, I know MGallade gets Knock Off and not MMedi, but Mmedi is still better in pretty much every way besides maybe speed. But even if it is fast, it won't be particularly powerful and will have horrendous physical bulk, so I don't see it really being good and I certainly don't see it being OU, UU seems fine for it. Not too much to say, it's just a poor man's MMedi for the most part.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Gallade @ Galladite
Ability: Inner Focus (lol really GF)
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat / Drain Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Knock Off
- Shadow Sneak

Predicted OU ranking : C (assuming >100 speed, else Unranked)

Audino

Outclassed by Clefable and Chansey. I mean, Fairy typing is great and all, but adding Normal to that removes one of its major pros which is Fighting resistance. Also removing Regen was obviously a terrible idea, it wouldn't exactly be good with it but at least it's be decent. But with Healer, it's just flat-out bad and completely outclassed by the other pink blobs.

Here's what I think it'll run :

nothing b/c no-one will use it

Predicted OU ranking : Unranked

Diancie

Now, this one actually seems interesting. Unfortunately, as a CM sweeper it receives a lot of competition from MSableye, due to worse typing, no reliable recovery, and being completely walled by a few things. However it's a lot bulkier than MSableye which is a definite advantage. Its ability to bounce hazards back may actually be better than MSableye's since it actually beats a few rock offensive setters Sableye doesn't (Offensive Heatran and Terrakion come to mind) although it does lose to Gyro Ball Ferrothron in return. As I've said, I don't think it'll be nearly as good as MSableye as a CM sweeper since it has to rely on RestTalk and is easily revenge killed by literally every steel type in existence, but if you can manage to remove then then you may be able to pull of a sweep. Also, thanks to the added SpA, it'll be able to hit quite hard pretty fast, more so than Clefable, which is an added bonus. Speed will probably be a big draw as well, assuming it gets a lot of it which is what things look like, it can set up CMs or rest against faster stuff which is neat. Also, it can probably pull off a full offensive set now that I think about it, though its coverage isn't very good.

Here's what I think it'll run :

Diancie @ Dianciite
Ability: Magic Bouce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Predicted OU ranking : B-

 

[Red Cat]

Why does Game Freak hate Glalie so much? As if making its base form possibly the worst evolved Pokemon wasn't good enough, they get us all excited that its mega evolution will finally make it worth a shit. So much for that. Game Freak did not change its worthless typing at all which sucks because STAB Crunch would have been nice. Game Freak had to be a complete troll and dump 40 of those extra stat points into its special attack which is really stupid when its entire movepool is physical. You get to burn your mega slot on something which has mediocre speed, terrible coverage, hits about as hard as LO Mamoswine, and has no bulk whatsoever. Whoopie! At least with Explosion, you can trade your mega slot for your opponent's least valuable Pokemon instead of just losing it for nothing. I'm calling it right now: this thing is going to absolutely terrorize NU.

 

[MrCookiepants]

uhm... empoleon exists... volcanion WILL exist. There's plenty of solid options to catch glalie's explosion. Suicune, Slowbro and multiple other bulky waters should be fine with Glalie as glalie doesn't get freeze dry.

Empoleon and Volcanion don't wanna be switching in on Earthquakes though. You're right about bulky waters, but even Slowbro takes 50% from Explosion. Yeah, Freeze Dry would be great even with a negative nature.

0- SpA M-Glalie Freeze Dry vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 192-228 (48.7 - 57.8%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[QueenOfHax]

Why does Game Freak hate Glalie so much? As if making its base form possibly the worst evolved Pokemon wasn't good enough, they get us all excited that its mega evolution will finally make it worth a shit. So much for that. Game Freak did not change its worthless typing at all which sucks because STAB Crunch would have been nice. Game Freak had to be a complete troll and dump 40 of those extra stat points into its special attack which is really stupid when its entire movepool is physical. You get to burn your mega slot on something which has mediocre speed, terrible coverage, hits about as hard as LO Mamoswine, and has no bulk whatsoever. Whoopie! At least with Explosion, you can trade your mega slot for your opponent's least valuable Pokemon instead of just losing it for nothing. I'm calling it right now: this thing is going to absolutely terrorize NU.

You do realize that Glalie has Moody right? In official formats where the ability is perfectly legit, Glalie can stall a few turns with Sub+Protect until it gets enough boosts, then mega evolve and proceed to sweep with Return and go boom when it has done its job. From GF's perspective, it is far from underpowered.

Actually, since Mega Glalie can't hold Leftovers, I would like to question if a possible Moody unban could be implemented for Glalie since it would be just enough to make it viable in OU, but definitely not broken.

Also, the fact you fail to appreciate the value of the only competitively viable Explosion in gen 6 makes me think that you started playing competitive pokemon in BW. What makes you believe that M-Glalie's Explosion target will be the opponent's "least valuable pokemon"? That move was an absolute game-changer in the first 4 generations and its return was long overdue.

 

[DTHaseo]

I honestly can't wait to give Mega-Mence a go! From my stand point, I feel that what will make or break him will be his stat distribution and a combination of Aerilate with his move-pool. Mence alone is a solid mon even in a meta-game he's ill-suited for which further backs up the potential of Mega-Mence. Through a combination of Aerilate, and double-edge alone he can knock some serious chunks into various defensive mon's which would make him a powerful wall-breaker. His potential to sweep would be even greater, and a mixed or full physical sweeper wouldn't be far from what he might be capable of(maybe even a fat-mence return if both defense stats are increased a good bit). Another thing is that it'll be able to set him apart from dragonite, and give him a defining dragon role again by bringing something unique to the table.

At best, I don't see his stat distribution being too crazy either considering the theme they seem to be going for is more all around better, (similar to mega-gyara), and less focused on just offense from the flavor text they've given. I'd say his ranges could look something like:

Atk:145-165 Defense:110-130 Sp. Atk:120-140 Sp.Def:90-120 Spe:100-110

I myself believe that a spread of 95/145/120/130/110/100 would be not only true to his flavor text, but give a balanced approach to his stats making an all around better mence once he mega evolves.

With that said, I don't believe he'll be ridiculously broken compared to what we already have, and what is coming with ORAS(but definitely one of the better ones). Retaining his type is all well, and good, but SR will still be a pain so hazard control would be very welcomed if used as a wall-breaker. There are also at least 12 pokemon currently in the meta-game capable of handling even a +1 Mega-Mence packing Double Edge with the stat possibilities above by either tanking the damage and KO'ing back, KO'ing due to priority, or simply maiming it with status. Outside of that 12 there are even some that can come in on the DD and take it out, or revenge it completely(this doesn't include scarfer's). Mega-Mence also seems like he'll suffer from a bit of 4mss having to definitely carry roost when using Double Edge, and possibly losing coverage because of that(which is not all bad in some cases since Aerilate Double Edge + Fire Blast already hit most things hard anyway). The plus side to that is some unpredictability as usual, but not massively game changing either. Of course, when un-boosted with the above stat possibilities even more threats start to come into play, and more definitive counters are formed. Then comes the simple fact that the meta-game will in fact change, and bring various other threats/mon's. So in time he'll begin to show his potential similar to Zard X did in the past.

So TL:DR: Mega-Mence will definitely be strong, and easily a A+ or S rank pokemon, but his stats IMO will tell how well he'll perform. As it stands, I don't see him being banned unless game-freak goes bonkers with him.

 

[Albacore]

Actually, since Mega Glalie can't hold Leftovers, I would like to question if a possible Moody unban could be implemented for Glalie since it would be just enough to make it viable in OU, but definitely not broken.

no

 

[QueenOfHax]

no

Then never complain about Mega Glalie being underpowered. This goes for everyone.

 

[Sergeant Spooky]

I know I'm not the first to point this out but M-Altaria will be really good. Forms two parts of Fairy/Steel/Dragon core on its own; Poison/Steel/Ice/Fairy is resisted by steel so just pair with Jirachi or something and then throw in a ground resist/immune. It has a bunch of great resists, is way too offensively threatening for a lot of offensive pokemon to switch in, has reliable recovery, etc. Will simply be astoundingly great and I'll definitely use it a lot. I also like how it will be really viable without being over-the-top powerful or some offensive juggernaut. We need more megas like this.

I don't think Lopunny will be particularly prominent but she it will probably be fun to use. Perfect coverage from STABs so she it can dip into her its bizarrely large support movepool. Return/HJK/Healing Wish/??? or Return/HJK|Focus Punch/Sub/Baton Pass could be cool.

Glalie might be hilarious with Refrigerate Explosion but beyond that I don't think it will be all that good. Shame about Moody ban but I did run a Moody team before it was banned and god it was so broken lol. At any rate, of all the ice type they could have given a mega to, it was this one and they didn't even give it enough speed. It's like they still don't understand Ice's fundamental flaw :(

 

[Pyritie]

You do realize that Glalie has Moody right? In official formats where the ability is perfectly legit, Glalie can stall a few turns with Sub+Protect until it gets enough boosts, then mega evolve and proceed to sweep with Return and go boom when it has done its job. From GF's perspective, it is far from underpowered.

Actually, since Mega Glalie can't hold Leftovers, I would like to question if a possible Moody unban could be implemented for Glalie since it would be just enough to make it viable in OU, but definitely not broken.

Also, the fact you fail to appreciate the value of the only competitively viable Explosion in gen 6 makes me think that you started playing competitive pokemon in BW. What makes you believe that M-Glalie's Explosion target will be the opponent's "least valuable pokemon"? That move was an absolute game-changer in the first 4 generations and its return was long overdue.

Keep in mind that glalie's stats were designed by the same people who were surprised when a pokemon with base 150 SpA was used as a special attacker. Game freak honestly has no idea what they're doing sometimes.

 

[Bizdis]

It's worth noting that as well as Altaria taking on both Zards, ending the 50/50 factor of guessing its form for the players that choose to use it and have already mega evolved, it also beats Keldeo, which is another powerful offensive threat, and it should be able to take on Thundurus and Manectric reasonably well, as long as it has a bit of sp def investment to take the HP ices. If the defence increase is large enough to take psyshocks from the Latis, then it can check those very well too.

As for how it fairs against the new megas, it completely walls Mega Sceptile, another mega that looks like it will be very effective, so players who use Sceptile will have to find a way around Altaria. Whilst it does resist both of Sharpedo's STAB attacks, I reckon they'll run Ice Fang, which is disappointing. Obviously, it beats Sableye due to its typing, which could potentially be problematic for Stalls teams that don't run Altaria, being able to bounce back hazards and status. Incidentally, as far as synergy goes, ALL of its weaknesses (fairy, ice, poison, steel) are actually resisted by a steel type, while it can offer fighting and fire resists in return, also, if you pair it with Heatran, who obviously doesn't need a fire resistant partner, it can take water attacks that are coming its way, and get rid of scald burns it might take with Heal Bell.

Overall, I reckon Altaria, with its fantastic typing, will free up slots to use on stall not only simply because of the vast number of threats it can take on, but also because it can be a very effective cleric, which will give stall more options to patch up its weaknesses, something that is desperately needed right now.

 

[alexwolf]

Why does Game Freak hate Glalie so much? As if making its base form possibly the worst evolved Pokemon wasn't good enough, they get us all excited that its mega evolution will finally make it worth a shit. So much for that. Game Freak did not change its worthless typing at all which sucks because STAB Crunch would have been nice. Game Freak had to be a complete troll and dump 40 of those extra stat points into its special attack which is really stupid when its entire movepool is physical. You get to burn your mega slot on something which has mediocre speed, terrible coverage, hits about as hard as LO Mamoswine, and has no bulk whatsoever. Whoopie! At least with Explosion, you can trade your mega slot for your opponent's least valuable Pokemon instead of just losing it for nothing. I'm calling it right now: this thing is going to absolutely terrorize NU.

Mega Glalie is a great improvement to an absolutely useless Pokemon, so i don't get what you are saying. It's still not OU viable but it will be great in RU or NU, as it's a decent hard hitter and an amazing Spikes user, as anti-hazard users able to outspeed Mega Glalie are very rare or non-existent in low tiers, making Glalie able to always protect its Spikes by using Explosion. Also, it has pretty good coverage for lower tiers with just Double-Edge / Return and Earthquake, and you can add Crunch too for stuff such as Slowking. Overall, a great addition to low tiers but useless in OU.

Albacore, i think you are underestimating Mega Diancie quite a bit. With significant power and Speed boosts, a decent typing, and an amazing ability, it can be a very useful Pokemon. A simple set of Moonblast / Diamond Storm / Hidden Power Fire / Stealth Rock could be a great offensive SR setter, able to beat Defog and Rapid Spin users, block Stealth Rock from Pokemon such as defensive Heatran, Clefable, and Tyranitar, and act as a check to some very dangerous Pokemon, such as Mega Charizard X, Talonflame, Latios, Latias, Dragonite, etc. It all depends on the Speed boost that Mega Diancie will get, if it surpasses the 110 Speed benchmark it will be amazing, which doesn't seem unlikely at all seeing how both of its defenses are going to drop.

 

[Albacore]

Yeah my bad, I completely forgot the massive stat overhaul MDiancie is going to get compared to its base forme. A decrese in Def and SpD gives Diancie a lot room to gain power and speed, the latter of which is going to be instrumental in determining its viability, as for most of these Megas. I was purely thinking of the CroAncie set which now that I think about it may not even be anywhere near as good as a pure offensive SR setting set.

That being said, as a rock setter, it suffers competition from Clefable who has a better typing as well as a far, far wider movepool to abuse, and from what we can tell, has the same level of bulk and hits about as hard as it with a Life Orb equipped. MDiancie's likely greater speed will give it a huge edge though, the magic speed number for most of these megas is 110 so we'll see how it ends up.

 

[Yamborski]

Then never complain about Mega Glalie being underpowered. This goes for everyone.

NO, your idea is bad. Mega Glalie has a ridiculously strong Explosion (about as strong as Choice Band Metagross had in gens 3-4) but not too much else.

 

[TheKAM1993]

Unfortunately snorunt doesn't learn ice shard until gen 4 so ice shard is incompatible with body slam, explosion (other fr/lg tutors)

Snorunt learns Body Slam through Move Tutor in FRLG as well as Explosion(Which is also a TM now). So Ice Shard is compatible with both.

 

[silver97]

Actually, since Mega Glalie can't hold Leftovers, I would like to question if a possible Moody unban could be implemented for Glalie since it would be just enough to make it viable in OU, but definitely not broken.

moody is just luck based and uncompetitive, it won't be unbanned just to make a pokemon viable in OU lol.

 

[Celticpride]

Still, of all the Megas, I still fear Mega Gross. Never thought I'd see a Tough Claws mon reliably weild Grass Knot.

I can't be the only one that forgets Grass Knot is a special contact move, or that special contact moves even exist.

 

[Rechi]

Mega Steelix is one of my favorite mega designs but I honestly don't see it reaching UU. I'm not the type that immediately writes off a new mega before I've actually used it but unless you're strictly running it with Sand support I don't really see why you would use it over Mega Aggron, who's stronger outside of Sand, has pretty much the same bulk + slightly better typing + Filter, and the same movepool as far as useful moves go but with a couple more perks like the elemental punches instead of the fangs like Steelix and access to T-Wave. Steelix does have a few moves over Aggron like STAB Earthquake, Gyro Ball, and Explosion but I'm not sure if that's enough to make up for everything else. Maybe when ORAS comes out it'll get new egg and tutor moves and blow me the fuck out but right now I'm just not seeing it.

 

[silver97]

anyway a mega i'm really curious to see is mega lopunny. its attack stat is crappy in the normal form so it will need a giant boost to be just decent; however it has already good speed that with a little boost becomes fantastic and is the only pokemon in the metagame with perfect neutral coverage on its STABs, that are high base power moves (return and HJK). if only it had swords dance (maybe it will get it somehow in oras) it could be very strong with another useful tool in fake out.
i don't know if this things will manage to reach OU, it depends on new moves and stats boosts, imo it will be ranked around B in the viability ranking because it has unique traits in the OU meta and therefore it will be more or less viable.

 

[Albacore]

One interesting thing about a few of these Megas is when to and when not mega. Now, there are a couple of obvious ones such as MSharpedo and MSlowbro but MAltaria may also not want to mega since its regular forme can do two things its Mega forme can't : absorb Status and switch into Ground attacks, more specifically, take on Landorus-I.
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Altaria: 147-173 (41.6 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO, nice and clean

It does lose to the Calm Mind and HP Ice variants, and Sludge Wave actually has a chance to 2HKO, not to mention non-Pixilate Hyper Voice won't be doing much, but it does take on the Knock Off variant (the most common variant) rather well, so that's something else to keep in mind. Or if you're using this as your main answer to Lando-I, you can always run Ice Beam.

Sableye will probably want to wait a while before Megaing too. Prankster is more advantageous against offensive Pokemon since it lets you pull off a fast CM or Wisp (and yes, CM Sableye will defenitely run Wisp, everything that doesn't get hit by Shadow Ball is crippled by Wisp besides Chansey who can't touch you and Greninja who won't resist Shadow Ball anymore by the time it hits you with Hydro Pump), which in turn enables you to take hits better despite not having the additional bulk of the Mega. You can then Mega later against something more defensive to beat it. Of course, the opponent can play around this by forcing you to Mega early by sending in a defensive Pokemon, and then forcing you out with something offensive.
You can also abuse the Mega turn when, not only do your status moves have Priority, but you also get the additional bulk of the Mega as well as Magic Bounce. Say you send Sableye in on, for example, MMedicham's Zen Headbutt. The opponent sends in Greninja as you Calm Mind. You then Calm Mind as you Mega, so not only do you get the +2 before Greninja hits you with Hydro Pump, you'll also have more overall bulk, letting you avoid the 2HKO :

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. +2 252 HP / 0 SpD Sableye: 142-168 (46.7 - 55.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. +2 252 HP / 0 SpD Sableye: 114-136 (37.5 - 44.7%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock (assuming a +20 SpD boost)

So finding the right opportunity to Mega is pretty important for MSableye to pull of a sweep. Can't wait to try this thing out, it's definitely the ORAS Mega I'm the most excited for besides Mega-Altaria.

 

[Rosen]

it seems like whenever new, broken promising mons are about to be released, everyone focuses on how they're gonna wreck shit w/o much regard how to prepare for them, and the new meta is a shitstorm for a good while. so imma list the most threatening (in my eyes) and how to prevent them from steamrolling ou/ what mons/strats to handle them with:

Mega Swampert: mons that can wall it and break it do exist. the first (and best) is Chesnaught. resists both stabs, easily tanks coverage moves (edit: yes, even ice punch), immediately threatens out. another mon will be Mega Slowbro, tanking fucken everything and threatening to cripple w/ scald or KO with Grass Knot. hell, even regular slowbro is decent, and regenerator teams will actually have a decent matchup against Swamp, and rain offense in general. phys def Alomomomomola will also serve a valuable role on stall to handle this beast. moving on (to my favorite), WOBBUFFET. w/ only shitty PuP for boosting, at full health Wobb can nab a clean OHKO w/ counter. also, non-mega sableye can reaally cripple it w/ prankster will-o. celebi as well will be a good swamp check. ofc this is all in rain, outside of rain a lot more shit can handle it.

Mega Metagross - agility will probs be threatening, but lack of atk boosting moves makes this easier to handle, but priorty bullet punch makes it kinda scary. again, not unwallable. Bro resists both stabs and can t-wave or scald. Mew is gonna give him a hard time as well will dat balk + will-o. Mega Swamp will keep this thing in check as well. Thundy's priority twave is gonna be a pain in the ass. also: hippowdon (and, to a lesser extent, skarmory). if gross shows up everywhere, m aggron and steelix might not be so useless after all, hm?

Salamence: i got nothing. ban pls

all of the others, i think, will be more obvious (sceptile: talonflame, for example)

overall, I think the most underrated mega atm is lopunny. this thing will be a nightmare for offensive teams with dat speed nd perfect coverage...

 

[Celticpride]

if only it had swords dance (maybe it will get it somehow in oras) it could be very strong with another useful tool in fake out.

Well, it does get PuP, which is guaranteed to boost your attack if you force something out.

Also, Tangrowth-Slowbro cores can make any Swampert's life very difficult. I think Tangrowth can tank the Ice Punch but I'm not sure.

Mega Metagross is scary in theory, but PuP or Agility take up a moveslot, and it can't hit everything it wants to in one or two coverage moveslots. Skarm needs Thunderpunch, Ferro needs a strong Fighting attack or PK Fire, Slowbro needs Grass Knot or Thunderpunch, and Victini and Jirachi require Earthquake. Even forgoing Agility and PuP there's always going to be something that slips thought the cracks. Still has huge beast potential.

 

[silver97]

one interesting fact about these new megas is that, except maybe latwins slowbro an to some extent salamence and metagross, their normal forms are all pretty unviable pokemon in the current OU metagame, unlike in XY where most of them were already prominent pokemon of the OU environment. This can be a good thing to see some more variety in this meta.