Unranked pokemon have no niche in the metagame whatsoever, and I don't see how a venipede can get a rank but drowzee can't. It just seems that it should at least have a rank for being decent at it's jobs and even though it is outclassed many pokemon are outclassed by others and still have ranks. *cough* mincinno *cough*
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venipede has endeavor+hazards+speed boost btw
It has access to many setup moves and can wall special threats. It can act as a late game sweeper if you eliminate knock off users.
We've established it can't wall the most prominent special threats. And explain how it can sweep. It's slow and weak.
Nasty plot, calm mind, belly drum, and under a sticky web it won't be slow anymore xD
There are better users of those set up moves in the tier xD
Magby, Poliwag, and Zigzagoon are better drummers, Spritzee is a better CM user and Vullaby is a better NP user.
Venipede has Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Speed Boost, and Baton Pass. It's pretty bad and outclassed by everything else with those moves, but it's not useless.
Timid_Metagross said:
That's not how sweeping works. Bad physical bulk means priority weakness, who would run Belly Drum on Drowzee, and neither Calm Mind nor Nasty Plot make it less slow and bad.
I'm not saying its the best mon in the tier, I'm saying it can do well if it has certain support. I'm aware that there are better mons, you've reminded me many times. I'm simply saying that it should get some love since it has a decent move pool and has many uses. I'm not telling you to praise it and make it S rank..
No it shouldn't. You haven't convinced me to raise it from e rank, anything Drowzee can do can be done better by other pokemon. I would never use it on any team unless I needed a Trick Room Belly Drum user, which isn't enough of a niche to even put it into D-rank.
JMO (not the best LC player), but when you have Solosis and Bronzor in D (Solosis being your slow and more powerful psychic type and Bronzor being your more defensive slow psychic that can sweep with calm mind with all) and Solosis and Bronzor can respectably outclass drowzee
Drowzee's only niche is being a specially defensive wish passer. It cannot sweep unless given a rediculous amount of support and facing a bad or unlucky opponent. Drowzee doesn't really synergize well with many things that would want a wish passer. It's weak to knock off which obviously hinders it a ton. It only really is able to wish on special poison and psychic types, which aren't very prominent or have better checks. I could see giving Drowzee D-rank but nothing higher than that.
Just as a note, I've not really used Drowzee much and I could be wrong on what it does exactly, but the wish passing one is that only one I've ever seen be slightly effective.
Just as a note, I've not really used Drowzee much and I could be wrong on what it does exactly, but the wish passing one is that only one I've ever seen be slightly effective.
It has calm mind, psychic, thunder wave, which make it better than pokemon like slugma and bronzor that are in D-rank. I'm just saying it's better than pokemon like togepi and weedle and should alteast get some love.
Just saying, once again, D rank solosis has calm mind, psychic, and thunder wave, as well as having a ridiculous special attack stat.
Slugma and Bronzor can both set up dual screens and support in other ways, they're reasonable bulky also. D-rank is for Pokemon with small, but usable niches. All Pokemon in there have a reason behind it. Drowzee does not, it is outclassed at everything you profess it to be good at.
But I'm making him a bulky/specially defensive set but can still hit decently hard. Solosis is better when it comes to sweeping, but drowzee does get access to wish which can be more helpful than recover in some cases and is just a more bulky and slightly less offensive form of solosis.
As Obvious power said, it can act as a calm minder, a wish passer, and an annoying thunder waver just with his four moves. I don't see another pokemon doing that exact thing but in it's individual skills, yes it is outclassed in those individual skills. But it is also unique and should at least be recognized for that and be taken into consideration that it can be viable because of the moves it gets.
Wait, so your purpose for using Drowzee is trick room wish passer? I thought it was to wall, not support...anyway, Spritzee does that TR job better. (but wish is bad in tr bc it takes too many turns) Drowzee may have a cool movepool and sp.def, but it has a bad type, and everything it can do other mons do better. (Trick Room setters- Spritzee, Porygon, Solosis; Wish Passing- Spritzee, Lickitung; Calm Mind- Spritz, weird sets for other mons; and lastly, Slowpoke has thunderwave and psychic, with an awesome ability and great physical bulk.) Drowzee may have a niche, but you should be using better mons to fill said niche.
I never said it was going to be a trick room lead. Even though it is essentially a lesser version of slowpoke, it can still hold it's own in the tier and should at least have a rank. When you're saying that I wanted it as a wall, I was implying that it could be wall or support depending on how it synergises with your team because of it's movepool and stats. Oh yeah, you're profile picture and your signature bring back horrible memories ;_;
All I said was that it's a wish passer. It's absolutely awful at any other role.
if you're saying it's a lesser version of something, that means it's completely outclassed. In Drowzee's case, it's outclassed as a bulky Psychic by Slowoke, as a Trick Room setter and Wish passer by Spritzee, and as Belly Drum sweeper by anything else with the move. it should stay unranked.
On the topic of unranked mons that should be ranked, Togepi could stand to go to D. Sure, defensive sets are outclassed by Spritzee, but Togepi's niche is reliably Baton Passing Nasty Plot boosts to things like Taillow so they can wreck house. I think that warrants D-Rank.
Agreeing with this^
NastyPass is a pretty wicked niche, and Togepi's fantastic typing and above average defenses make it pretty good in this role, plus there are so many good recipients of +2 SpA.
Drowzee is just awful and not viable. I can't think of much it could do besides be a decent insomnia switch into foongus and an undesirable spreader of para. CM and wish would be a waste of time.
It's outclassed by pokes that aren't even very strong/common in the meta currently, but, even if they didn't exist, drowzee has very little going for it. Personally, I'd expect phanpy to be D rank, but sadly it exists in a meta with onix, sandshrew, and drilbur.
However, phanpy is cute as f*** so it deserves honorary D rank imo even though it's so outclassed. Drowzee is ugly and creepy.
It's so f***ing cute omg.
It's outclassed by pokes that aren't even very strong/common in the meta currently, but, even if they didn't exist, drowzee has very little going for it. Personally, I'd expect phanpy to be D rank, but sadly it exists in a meta with onix, sandshrew, and drilbur.
However, phanpy is cute as f*** so it deserves honorary D rank imo even though it's so outclassed. Drowzee is ugly and creepy.
Awesome! :D
increase its rank for cuteness its not cuteness ranking better luck next time :pDrowzee is just awful and not viable. I can't think of much it could do besides be a decent insomnia switch into foongus and an undesirable spreader of para. CM and wish would be a waste of time.
It's outclassed by pokes that aren't even very strong/common in the meta currently, but, even if they didn't exist, drowzee has very little going for it. Personally, I'd expect phanpy to be D rank, but sadly it exists in a meta with onix, sandshrew, and drilbur.
However, phanpy is cute as f*** so it deserves honorary D rank imo even though it's so outclassed. Drowzee is ugly and creepy.
It's so f***ing cute omg.
Can we please not make this thread a second cuteability rankings please? Pokémon here are rated for viability not for its cuteness so please let's refrain from such posts.
About Drowzee I think everything that should be said about have been said already, each of its sets are outclassed by something that is totally better: Belly Drum Drowzee? Zigzagoon which has Extremespeed does it better. Nasty Plot? we've got Croagunk and to a less extent Vullaby which both have a better moveset and Special Attack. Wish passing? there is Lickitung and Spritzee. Calm Mind? again there is Spritzee that has better bulk, typing, STAB, and ability that let's it not be Taunted or Encored. It's also outclassed by other Psychic-types like Bronzor and Solosis which are D-rank which preform better as a "wall" and "Special attacker" (keep in mind that Knock Off being so common is the reason behind their low rank).
No matter how much you try to make it seem usable it isn't, maybe if Knock Off didn't get its buff it could've been made D-rank thanks to its wide support moveset but for now it's a bad Pokémon.
About Drowzee I think everything that should be said about have been said already, each of its sets are outclassed by something that is totally better: Belly Drum Drowzee? Zigzagoon which has Extremespeed does it better. Nasty Plot? we've got Croagunk and to a less extent Vullaby which both have a better moveset and Special Attack. Wish passing? there is Lickitung and Spritzee. Calm Mind? again there is Spritzee that has better bulk, typing, STAB, and ability that let's it not be Taunted or Encored. It's also outclassed by other Psychic-types like Bronzor and Solosis which are D-rank which preform better as a "wall" and "Special attacker" (keep in mind that Knock Off being so common is the reason behind their low rank).
No matter how much you try to make it seem usable it isn't, maybe if Knock Off didn't get its buff it could've been made D-rank thanks to its wide support moveset but for now it's a bad Pokémon.
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