support Landorus-T to S Rank. This guy doesn't need to even invest much at all into attack to OHKO Charizard X. It's also so hard to deal with because you have to really figure out if it's scarf or defensive; I've matched up greninja or weavile against Lando-T a buncha times expecting to outspeed easily and than get wrecked by a scarf u-turn.
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I think Alexwolf's argument towards keeping it in A+ rank was how:
*Choice Scarf sets fail to outspeed some important threats at +1, most notably Jolly +1 Zard X
*Defensive sets get worn down really easily
I feel like I left a lot unexplained, I am simply trying to sum up what Alexwolf told us in a few sentences.
To be honest, I agree with Alexwolf. Landorus-T itself is ridiculously easy to wear down, and while it checks a lot of Pokemon, I always find its Choice Scarf sets lacking in bulk - quite literally, Choice Scarf sets, while really good revenge killers, die so easily and can get easily pressured if it takes a really hard hit. Defensive sets are not exactly the most reliable switch-ins either, as while they are more durable, they are not that good as pressuring the opponent as Choice Scarf sets. I might be trying to repeat the same thing over and over again, but I really feel that while Landorus-T is incredibly useful, I think everybody is ignoring some of its most critical flaws that can easily be exploited, which is why I support keeping at a A+ Rank.
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Okay, I'm going to try and get this thread back on track by nominating Mega Venusaur to drop to A Rank. First off, the competition as a defensive Pokemon has gotten stiffer, since we have Mega Sableye, Mega Slowbro, and Mega Altaria as candidates for taking up the team's Mega Slot, the former having Magic Bounce to reflect status, the middle having better overall bulk and Calm Mind to patch up its lesser Special Defense, and the latter having Heal Bell to support its team more directly. The second reason for this nomination is that there are more things that threaten Mega Venusaur, such as Mega Sableye, Mega Gallade, and Mega Metagross, the former setting up with Calm Mind easily and doesn't mind Sludge Bomb's poison too much, and the latter two having STAB Zen Headbutt to cleanly 2HKO it (Also Mega Metagross doesn't give a crap about any attack thrown its way save for Leech Seed, so it can directly switch in. Plus, it's a pretty common threat). Finally, it's more important now than ever before to have a Mega Slot available when team building, so if you want a powerful sweeper like Mega Metagross or Mega Altaira on your team, you can't have Mega Venusaur. I'm not saying that Mega Venusaur's bad or anything, as it's still a great answer to Keldeo, non-Extrasensory Greninja, and Azumarill, and is a good answer to new things like Mega Lopunny and Mega Altaira, but with all the new things that give it a hard time, I can't help but question its placing in A+. If I'm wrong about anything, then please speak up, otherwise, I stand by what I say and nominate Mega Venusaur for A Rank.
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That was more or less thrown out after the Mence ban. We're basically starting over.
That update was only relevant in Mence meta. Please stop referring to it.
Okay this is ridiculous are you kidding me? Shut up. Actually discuss the topic at hand.
To actually add to this, Mega Sceptile is awesome, I definitely see him being an A Rank Pokemon. I know we're discussing A+ and S Pokemon but people aren't having actual discussion. MegaScep is ridiculously fast and a monstrous Special Attacker. He has good coverage as well, especially if running HP Fire.
It has some obvious drawbacks however, mainly; paper thin defenses, basically any Ice move will OHKO and it's hard walled by Steels since HP Fire doesn't OHKO all of them and HP Fire can only get you so far. But of course, MegaScep is a mega that's meant to be taken in and out accordingly, and because of this I think it's an A rank Pokemon simply because it sweeps the shit out of the other team once Priority and bulky defenders are gone.
Mega Sceptile for A Rank.
Also: fuck ur rotom wash lol
To actually add to this, Mega Sceptile is awesome, I definitely see him being an A Rank Pokemon. I know we're discussing A+ and S Pokemon but people aren't having actual discussion. MegaScep is ridiculously fast and a monstrous Special Attacker. He has good coverage as well, especially if running HP Fire.
It has some obvious drawbacks however, mainly; paper thin defenses, basically any Ice move will OHKO and it's hard walled by Steels since HP Fire doesn't OHKO all of them and HP Fire can only get you so far. But of course, MegaScep is a mega that's meant to be taken in and out accordingly, and because of this I think it's an A rank Pokemon simply because it sweeps the shit out of the other team once Priority and bulky defenders are gone.
Mega Sceptile for A Rank.
Also: fuck ur rotom wash lol
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I'll just post my opinions on some and hopefully stir up non Char-X discussion. I have some doubts on things such as Keldeo being in S but can't ignore how easily spammable Scald is behind Specs and its SpAtk and M-Gallade Albacore talked briefly about in why it should stay A+, which is where I also think it should stay.
- Already touched upon a bit why I think it's an S rank threat. Threatens all play-styles with its only downside of being a slight 4MSS and even then it's so minuscule due to various coverage move and the fact it fits on a handful of archetypes easily. Agility / Rock Polish, Sub / 3 attacks, 4 attacks, Grass Knot for luring bulky water types, Stealth Rock Resistant which is such an underrated element on teams especially offensive ones and having such great bulk and the offensive element combined with that definitely makes me feel like it's one of the best. S
- Lol S
- Much more appreciated in a meta where play-styles such as heavy Stall are a bit more out there and as such can take advantage of its stall-breaking utility. Pretty much defining in the fact that Thundurus has power and utility to threaten the majority of the metagame. Unless you sack this thing or make a bad play, Thundurus will always put in work and its versatility is great enough where it can be considered top tier. S
- Choice Band set has become more viable and provides such a great wall-breaker against like every archetype. Sucks that it's kind of slow and gets worn down much more quickly than you want it to though. Nothing much has changed outside of a couple of sets being more viable and others being less viable which balances it out. A+
- I think Charizard-Y is fantastic in the fact it just floors so many stall builds when Chansey is taken out and just how easily it threatens Balanced and like half the stall builds these days with so much ease. I do think it has some issues with offense though which can pose a problem for it since it does need adequate support to handle these speedy offensive mons. Not going to even take into account its SR weakness which people love bringing up as if it's some sort of extreme difficulty to provide Hazard support when you have a bunch of viable hazard removers. To sum it up, wrecks the majority of balanced builds and forms of stall has issues with fast paced heavy offense. A
- Wicked good in the metagame. It's forced any competent build to have a consistent Bisharp check to not potentially get floored by it. STAB Sucker Punch is icing on the cake against offense, Knock Off turns defensive cores on stall into liabilities at times, and balanced more or less suffers from both of these elements from Bisharp. Takes advantage of a metagame where hazard stacking is a norm either through picking off opponents with prior hazard damage or pressuring opponents on clicking that Defog button to activate Defiant. Works as a cleaner / wallbreaker on stall and is a natural fit for a handful of viable Pokemon to use on offense. A+
- I'm sort of baffled how it was up for discussion that this thing somehow got worse in the meta (._.). Like you guys do realize this is one of the most annoying things that Balanced and Stall has to take into account for right? Its Life Orb set alone is the bane of so many Pokemon and on top of that usually has a 4th utility move to screw over w/e it feels like for itself or for teammates. Being immune to Spikes is pretty badass as well since being Spikes immune however it may be is an awesome trait to have for offensive teams. Choice Scarf Gengar also makes a wicked nice cleaner late-game and has got some nifty options to clean a weakness to the team or just for lure purposes such as Icy Wind for Scarf Lando-T or Trick to turn stuff like Chansey into deadweight. Underrated, hits hard, has under appreciated utility to boot, and its matchup against offense isn't exactly as terrible as some made it out to be when this discussion was brought up. A+
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Here's something I haven't seen talked about all that much (or it might have been but I'm too lazy to look for it). Heatran: how has ORAS affected it?
While Heatran is a good choice against quite a number of pokemon, including some of the new Mega Evos; Mega Altaria is pretty much hardwalled unless it's the DD set. But the new games have brought more powerful threats that either break past it's defensive set, or outperforms it as an offensive pokemon. While it is still excellent defensively, There are now 2 very powerful defensive pokes in the form of Mega Sableye and Mega Slowbro. Both have access to a move that boosts it's defences, but also have reliable recovery. The fact that both don't have a 4X weakness to ground is something to note as well.
Overall I can see it going down to A rank from A+. It is still a very intimidating force, but I kinda see it being slightly overshadowed by some of the newer pokemon.
What are you're thoughts?
While Heatran is a good choice against quite a number of pokemon, including some of the new Mega Evos; Mega Altaria is pretty much hardwalled unless it's the DD set. But the new games have brought more powerful threats that either break past it's defensive set, or outperforms it as an offensive pokemon. While it is still excellent defensively, There are now 2 very powerful defensive pokes in the form of Mega Sableye and Mega Slowbro. Both have access to a move that boosts it's defences, but also have reliable recovery. The fact that both don't have a 4X weakness to ground is something to note as well.
Overall I can see it going down to A rank from A+. It is still a very intimidating force, but I kinda see it being slightly overshadowed by some of the newer pokemon.
What are you're thoughts?
I'm not sure you can compare them.
Heatran can fit a pretty big role on offensive teams. It's a Talonflame counter, steel check, stallbreaker, and rocks setter that can spread burns. The previous 2 can only fit some of these roles and they're way too passive to be used on offensive teams, aside from the whole taking up a mega slot thing
Still pretty solidly A+ imo
Yeah I mean I would put heatran and ferrothorn always in the same class, even though their roles differ a little bit. Because each of them are serious defensvie threats that every single team considers when they are being built. That influence on the metagame is pretty characteristic of A+. I mean altaria will sacrifice an entire moveslot which is very valuable just to hit one pokemon, heatran, or altaria will sacrifice an entire other moveslot just to hit another pokemon ,ferro(or skarm I guess), but steels with good secondary typings are becoming even more essential in this metagame with the increase in fairies, which is also why empoleon is seeing some more use. But yeah in short heatran has and always will be good unless the meta evolves to be nothing but ground types lol, and I think he got slightly better this gen definitely still A+.
Heatran is still a good mon like it was in XY OU. Actually, i think it got better in a way.
It works well on Stall and Bulky Offense, 2 good playstyles in the meta. Although it does have trouble with MANY of the new megas, it does face well against Sableye, non EQ MMeta, non EQ Mega Altaria, etc. and it still has a plethora of good sets it had in XY. Im seeing his Stall/Stallbreaking sets getting more use and its Scarf/Offensive sets seeing less, as its stallbreaker set is much better. It also can fit on team cores, with a good example being MAltaria+Heatran, to cover its weaknesses. All in all, this beast still got worse and better in the meta, so thats why i think it should stay in A+.
It works well on Stall and Bulky Offense, 2 good playstyles in the meta. Although it does have trouble with MANY of the new megas, it does face well against Sableye, non EQ MMeta, non EQ Mega Altaria, etc. and it still has a plethora of good sets it had in XY. Im seeing his Stall/Stallbreaking sets getting more use and its Scarf/Offensive sets seeing less, as its stallbreaker set is much better. It also can fit on team cores, with a good example being MAltaria+Heatran, to cover its weaknesses. All in all, this beast still got worse and better in the meta, so thats why i think it should stay in A+.
Just going to repost my opinion because it was lost in the shitstorm on the last pages
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- Should stay S, as it is still the best offensive DDer in the tier thanks to its amazing 2 move coverage (megaAlt is a defensive/bulky DDer), which opens up the way for many simular yet very dangerous sets like SD+Tailwind, Roost+3atk, DD with roost and 3atk+DD. I would mention the Bulky wisp set it got known for last get had it not been for the oppertunity cost of using ZardX > MSableye/MegaSaur on stall teams.
- I think it has been pretty clear that Gren is almost impossible to wall and should therefor keep its place at S-rank for now, and I see no reason in dropping it. It destroys Many offensive teams and often forces Stall too use gimmicks to beat it.
- Got a lot of new Counters this gen, and while it is still amazing the 108 speedtier is just not as good with the new creep. The lack of good coverage is everpresence. While Azus lack of usage helps it I think it should for now drop too A+.
- One of the best scarfers and the best offensive defogger in the tier. has limited switchins and does its job pretty good, but is complete setup fodder for Bisharp if you Draco without thinking. Also hardwalled by MegaGross. I think it is kinda borderline A+ but I would not mind if it stays in S.
A+ Rank
- Still a good mon and walls the crap out of Keldeo. fine at A+
- Amazing in this meta and keeps hazards up for offensive teams, at +2 almost nothing can switchin, especially mid/late game. Keep at A+ (if MLopunny and Keldeo did not exist I would say S easily)
- it is not as speedy and powerful anymore, It can handle a few new megas but it should drop to A IMO
- Best fairy in the meta, checks a fuckton of stuff and has decent offensive presence. While it does no longer counter Gren I still think it warrants A+
- Massive atk, good speed and good coverage. This thing is a pain for Stall and Balance alike. It has some good checks in TalonBurd and Sableye, but should stay A+
- Not that good anymore. Scarf is not as usable and 102 speed is not amazing either. SR lead is pretty good but faces heavy competiton from terrakion which from my experience does the job better. Drop to A or mabye even A-.
- Just like its brother in crime it beats the living hell out of stall. keep at A+.
- No team can deal with this guy because of its veratility. easy A+.
- Great stallmon that check SD+Tailwind ZardX, Latios and talonflame, along with a bunch of other things. It is also good at Balance and has that scarf set. A+
- has a great Physically defensive set, an offensive Earth Plate one and the infamous Scarf set. Fits into every play style and checks so many top threaths it not even funny. easy A+
cant be S because its not blue
- Insanly hard to switchin on, almost singlehandly destroys stall lacking a chansey or Spdef Skarm. Stay A+
- No opinion
- Should move to S, AgilityGross deals with HO easily if it has hazard support (not being revenged by BandBurd is big), all out attacker can beat almost every Stallmon 1v1, and mix even beats M-Slowbro. It also hardwalls Lati@s and set up on thim is needed.
- Not that good anymore, it does the same as before just with less sucess. Drop to A-
- Now that MMence is gone (thank god) Pinsir is back as the best wallbreaking birdspammer. it has a little problem with running EQ or CC again because of MegaGross, but its minor after a SD ( +2 252 Atk Mega Pinsir Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross: 209-246 (69.4 - 81.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) stay A+
- No opinon
- Got more things to check. A+
- Prankster T-wave is very good right now, and checking Flyingspam is massive. Will settle for both A+ and S
- Did not get worse, but it now has to compete with M-Sableye on Stall teams. Could drop to A but not lower.
TL;DR: MegaGross - S, Mew - A-, GARchomp - A/A-, MegaSaur - A+/A, ZardY - A, Keldeo - A+, Thund - A+/S, Latios A+/S
(stole theV8man's setup)
EDIT: some grammar/Typo issues :/
EDIT2: somewhat superficial Just going to tell -Clone- that Zard is my 2nd least favorite pokemon, But I value him as an S-rank because of the offensive pressure it puts on both Stall, Balance and Offense.
- Thing is fantastic and with STAB Priority you couldn't ask for much more, very good. A+.
Just my two cents, some opinions (CharY, Lando-T, and Megagross) may change.
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I dont see how charizard Y have gotten any less powerfull. It is still the Pokemon in the tier with the highest sheer damage output against anything that is not immune to fire, and even then it can easily take them on with coverage. Chansay still remains the only consistent swithin to this thing, and even that takes 30-37 percent from fire blast, and can be dealt with by running focus punch as coverage.
Stuff such as ferrothorn can give it a free switchin, and then it can get a kill
I don't mind it moving down, and base 100 speed is even worse so there's that.
Thundurus to S rank: Amazing speed tier, amazing ability, versatile. Thats enough for S rank. Id also like to point out his super underrated Sub NP set that actually works wonders at anything not named Greninja and some other fast threats.
Lando T to S rank: The glue to all teams. I feel like alexwolf disliked the mon cause iirc he was never promoted to S rank in mid-late XY meta, even though the overall worse form, Lando I was S rank. But seriously, it has so many sets that can demolish many playstyles and is one of the few Pokemon that dont get affected by the speed tier shift thanks to its ever popular Scarf set. Sure, he gets worn down quickly, but that doesnt even factor the amount of pros it has.
Charizard X for S (maybe, MAYBE A+): Still the mon it was in XY OU, it just gets cockblocked by a few megas and fucks up the rest. It does have problems with facing Intimidate teams, which is something to note. It also has trouble facing some new megas, like MDiancie, MAltaria,MMetagross if switch in, and add up all the threats in XY OU, you got a decent amount of things that shit on it. Also, did i factor in Scarfers? But other than that its easily the best DDer in the meta, and it can run less threatening but still viable bulky sets.
Megagross for S: Fast, bulky, strong, can run Agility/Hone Claws/PuP for more damage output+Amazing ability (something that MGallade doesnt have) =S rank.
Latios for A+: Now, dont laugh. I know its controversial and its somewhat weird, but i want to put thought on the table cause i dont understand why this thing is S. Its the best Defogger in the game, sure, but that sure as hell does not make it an S rank pokemon. It suffers 4MSS, and if you dont beleive me, then its forced to run Defog/Draco Meteor/Psychic/Psyshock/HP Fire/Roost or Recover/EQ/ etc. It also has trouble with some common pokemon, like Scarf Lando T (unless this Latios is scarfed on the rare occasion) U turn cores in general, and Pursuit trappers, especially TTar and maybe AV Bisharp (which is actually p good). This guy hits hella hard with LO and Draco, but then its forced to switch out. But, its definetly not an S rank mon when it comes to offensive capabilities, its definetly a good A+ with Support. The guy can come in and Defog and get the fuck out. But, i find multiple problems with this. It cant Defog if Bisharp is alive, it cant Defog on scarfers, it cant Defog on a decent amount of things. But, honestly this guy is the best option on many teams for a Defogger, but there are other mons that could handle that role and not worry about Bisharp, like Excadrill and Scizor. But, credit where its all due, Latios is better than them. But, finally i think that its just deadweight and a waste of a slot if its common threats are alive, and when it hits Draco, its easy setup bait afterwards because its forced to switch. Sure, its better than all of the Defoggers, but its offensive capabilities and the frequency of steels and its checks/counters around honestly warrants it for A+. Dont get me wrong, A+ is an amazing place for it to be, but thats where i think it should go.
Albacore for B rank: why wasnt he promoted again? I abuse him and sweep with him every game.
Lando T to S rank: The glue to all teams. I feel like alexwolf disliked the mon cause iirc he was never promoted to S rank in mid-late XY meta, even though the overall worse form, Lando I was S rank. But seriously, it has so many sets that can demolish many playstyles and is one of the few Pokemon that dont get affected by the speed tier shift thanks to its ever popular Scarf set. Sure, he gets worn down quickly, but that doesnt even factor the amount of pros it has.
Charizard X for S (maybe, MAYBE A+): Still the mon it was in XY OU, it just gets cockblocked by a few megas and fucks up the rest. It does have problems with facing Intimidate teams, which is something to note. It also has trouble facing some new megas, like MDiancie, MAltaria,MMetagross if switch in, and add up all the threats in XY OU, you got a decent amount of things that shit on it. Also, did i factor in Scarfers? But other than that its easily the best DDer in the meta, and it can run less threatening but still viable bulky sets.
Megagross for S: Fast, bulky, strong, can run Agility/Hone Claws/PuP for more damage output+Amazing ability (something that MGallade doesnt have) =S rank.
Latios for A+: Now, dont laugh. I know its controversial and its somewhat weird, but i want to put thought on the table cause i dont understand why this thing is S. Its the best Defogger in the game, sure, but that sure as hell does not make it an S rank pokemon. It suffers 4MSS, and if you dont beleive me, then its forced to run Defog/Draco Meteor/Psychic/Psyshock/HP Fire/Roost or Recover/EQ/ etc. It also has trouble with some common pokemon, like Scarf Lando T (unless this Latios is scarfed on the rare occasion) U turn cores in general, and Pursuit trappers, especially TTar and maybe AV Bisharp (which is actually p good). This guy hits hella hard with LO and Draco, but then its forced to switch out. But, its definetly not an S rank mon when it comes to offensive capabilities, its definetly a good A+ with Support. The guy can come in and Defog and get the fuck out. But, i find multiple problems with this. It cant Defog if Bisharp is alive, it cant Defog on scarfers, it cant Defog on a decent amount of things. But, honestly this guy is the best option on many teams for a Defogger, but there are other mons that could handle that role and not worry about Bisharp, like Excadrill and Scizor. But, credit where its all due, Latios is better than them. But, finally i think that its just deadweight and a waste of a slot if its common threats are alive, and when it hits Draco, its easy setup bait afterwards because its forced to switch. Sure, its better than all of the Defoggers, but its offensive capabilities and the frequency of steels and its checks/counters around honestly warrants it for A+. Dont get me wrong, A+ is an amazing place for it to be, but thats where i think it should go.
Albacore for B rank: why wasnt he promoted again? I abuse him and sweep with him every game.
By less powerfull I ment that fire spam got. Worse in this meta, since rain got better and mega altaria and spdef slowbro are more common it seems like.
I can make a list like this for basically every other Pokemon. Having a lot of viable moves != 4mss.
As for the list itself: Psychic and Psyshock are redundant, Earthquake is good against just about one or two targets (run a Heatran check if you don't have EQ, there's tons,) HP Fire hits two(?,) Defog is not even required if you have Tentacruel/Exca or something.
Scarf Latios is really not that rare anymore.
Stuff that existed in XY that didn't bar it from S-rank.
Also don't stick AV on random shit.
And Excadrill and Scizor have their own list of pokemon they can't spin/defog against. Defog is not a flawless method of hazard control but Latios is the best fit for many offensive teams in this role.
Even on a resist, Draco does tons of damage (e.g. 50% to Metagross) and few fairies can take Psyshock. That's not dead weight, switching in to Latios is much harder than you make it out to be (this includes TrickScarf sets which can potentially cripple things like Chansey and Ferrothorn.)
Since i knew people will cling on to my crazy nomination, might as well rebuttal.
Having a lot of viable moves IS 4MSS, for example Greninja has horrible 4MSS cause it has such a variety of moves that can be used to take out specific threats. Most pokemon do not have 4MSS due to lack of movepool, for example Lando T, Diancie, and others.
Also you say Psyshock and Psychic are redundant but they are easily one of its most important moves. It gives some decent coverage and STAB is helpful. It also takes on Faries well, as you stated at the end of your post. Without Psyshock its bait to Fairy types. HP fire is mandatory in most cases to stop Scizor/Bisharp cause they are the bane to Latios and taking them out is neccesary. Defog is mandatory on Latios, im not wasting a moveslot for a pokemon that does a worse job at hazard control than Latios. besides Scarf sets and wacky shit.
Scarf Latios is still a rare underrated set, and loses LO power too.
But you see, Latios wasnt always an S rank mon in XY, hence pretty much saying the meta was not in its favor. Just like how i think it isnt it its favor right now, with many of its checks and new checks getting more usage.
I was probably underestimating Latios's power, but its nothing to boast about. Faries getting a decent boost of usage and the rise of Bulky steels really do cripple Draco Meteor. Although it hits hard on some pokemon, it gets its SpA halfed, forcing it to either spam Draco or switch out and waste a turn. Find it odd that you say Psyshock is redundant then you proceed to say how few faries can take it on. Also TrickScarf is a gimmick and ive never seen it, even in low ladder, so its extremely passive.
Also AV bisharp is extremely underrated but is actually really good. It gives it the much needed SpDef bulk to take on Latios's Draco Meteor, which do around 80% without AV and like around 40% with AV+252 HP investment.
You no longer outspeed defensive rotom, defensive lando, some heatrans, mega venusaur, goodra, mandibuzz, offensive mega scizor, adamant mega herracross etc
half of those are irrelivant and the other half are things Bisharp wouldnt stay into. Why would i stay into Mega Heracross anyways?
When its worn down like 20-30ish. I know enough to know speed is always important in the 60-80 range and 100+
Speed is not too important in the lower speed tiers. Id rather have amassed 2x the amount of SpDef bulk anyways. Also, is Sucker Punch totally irrelivant? I think a Sucker punch at +1 or maybe even 0 attack boost would KO Heracross at 20-30%.
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Please,
Dont understand why people get so offended when i put out a rather odd suggestion.
Hes easily the best Defogger, im not saying that hes a pile of shit. Im just saying that the meta kinda likes Steel types and Bisharp. Do you think A+ rank is bad, too? MGallade, Bisharp, Heatran, Lando T, MMeta all reside there. They are like the defining forces of OU, and you are going ahead to say i should Golurk? I understand you are trying to emphazise your opinion, and since youre opinion is superior popularity-wise to mine i will drop it and we can be friends.
Although Latios has an extremely minor case of 4MSS in my eyes and it doesnt to yours, sometimes i might want to OHKO Scizor with HP fire before it uses Pursuit and nearly KO's me, or use EQ to take out Heatran easily, etc. Thats the point im trying to make. Were only forced to run 3 moves, and then we have 5 others to choose from. I honestly think that a little bit of 4MSS.
And no, I do not need to Golurk because i made a different suggestion. Thank you for the offer, though.
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