All Gens Past Gens Research Thread

[Crystal_]

wait what, where does that come from? o.o

EDIT: Whatever that is, it's half wrong. I can still drop Alakazam's special with Psychic or poison Pinsir with Twineedle.

 

[trc]

i believe it is from pokemon stadium. someone posted it on irc before.

 

[cookie]

<cookie> jesus shit on a stick
<cookie> it works
<cookie> i hacked icy wind to freeze and changed its type to poison
<cookie> it froze swinub, but not tentacruel

 

[magic9mushroom]

Crystal used Metagame Break!
It's super effective!

 

[gorgie]

this is still blowing my mind. holy shit.

 

[magic9mushroom]

PARALYSIS SIDE EFFECT 1

Moves included: Thunderpunch, Thundershock, Thunderbolt, Thunder

- Can't paralyze a Substitute target
- 0 chance to paralyze a target with a type matching the type of the move. 26/256 chance to burn the target otherwise
- If target is paralyzed, its current Speed stat is quartered immediately

PARALYSIS SIDE EFFECT 2

Moves included: Body Slam, Lick

- Can't paralyze a Substitute target
- 0 chance to paralyze a target with a type matching the type of the move. 77/256 chance to burn the target otherwise
- If target is paralyzed, its current Speed stat is quartered immediately

I think you mean they paralyse the target. I've never been burned by any of these moves.

 

[froggy25]

For freeze and burn, it does, with only one exception: if the move is normal-type i.e. tri-attack (at this point i'm not sure if tri attack can burn/freeze fire/ice mons).

It can, just checked it. d:6131 (freeze) is called even against Ice Pokémon.

 

[Crystal_]

I think you mean they paralyse the target. I've never been burned by any of these moves.

Copy/paste rip. Fixed.

It can, just checked it. d:6131 (freeze) is called even against Ice Pokémon.

Yeah, check out battle command 0xac, which corresponds to tri attack. Battle command 0x18 will be called for a freeze. Notice how Function36e5b would only prevent ice pokemon from being frozen, excluding the normal type from the check.

While we are at it, it seems that freeze can't be inflicted under sunny weather. I personally didn't know that.

 

[cookie]

While we are at it, it seems that freeze can't be inflicted under sunny weather. I personally didn't know that.

i also remember that a pokemon will never thaw in rain, but that might just be me making up a corollary to the sunny day behaviour
edit: nope

 

[Crystal_]

i also remember that a pokemon will never thaw in rain, but that might just be me making up a corollary to the sunny day behaviour

It seems not. Only sun/freeze. The weather check only exists for the freeze effect.

 

[Joim]

Hey, does tri-attack freeze ice-types then?

 

[Crystal_]

Hey, does tri-attack freeze ice-types then?

Yes, and burn fire types

 

[Joim]

Ok I wanted to be sure I was understanding the posts and code properly. Then this is ready: https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/commit/ef31e69c1ecaeef48a219752606ef4e2688e1d1d

Edit: We had the sunny day thing for all gens already.

 

[Zowayix]

So the all-important Twinneedle is also unable to poison bug-types in gsc?

Yes

Wait, huh? I thought the whole mechanic screwup only applies to burn, freeze, and paralysis (the last for Gen I only). Twinneedle should be able to poison everything that isn't Poison-type in both generations.

 

[Crystal_]

So the all-important Twinneedle is also unable to poison bug-types in gsc?
Yes

Whoops, must have read posion-types. The correct answer for bug-types is no.

 

[Crystal_]

Updated my research post with Conversion and Haze. Personally, there was some stuff about Haze I didn't know exactly. Not sure if sims implement it perfectly due to all the substatuses involved. I can aslo smell some glitches involving freeze/sleep + hyperbeam/charging move + haze. Will investigate a bit.

 

[Disaster Area]

I guess you ought to investigate Rage too if you haven't yet (just off of the info from DragonFlyCave).. sounds like you're doing a fantastic job though :)

 

[Crystal_]

I've updated the post with the bug; I tested this stuff in the game and it confirmed my initial thoughts (will make a video tomorrow about this glitch just because). Here's the bug:

Bug: If a Pokemon that was frozen or put to sleep with either Rage, Charging, Bide, or Thrashing About status active is cured Sleep or Freeze by Haze, that Pokemon will be unable to select and use a move for as long as it stays on the field. This applies to Hyper Beam too but only if the status is freeze.

 

[Crystal_]

Okay, this bug is as hilarious as it sounds, but it's true, incredibly:

If a Pokemon that has just used Hyper Beam and has yet to recharge (that is, its Recharge status is active) is targeted with a sleep inducing move, any other status it may already have will be ignored (paralysis/burn/freeze/poison) and sleep will be induced regardless. In addition, the sleep inducing move can NEVER miss (not even from a "255").

Will make a video soon.

 

[trc]

lol you're insane, nice work finding all of this :]

 

[Joim]

Holy shit I'm so implementing that lol

 

[Crystal_]

 

[Crystal_]

Update in regards to the Haze glitch. It also applies to Hyper Beam during link battles, but only for freeze, NOT for sleep.

 

[Royal Flush]

Out of curiosity, does spd/atk lost from para/burn remains after the mon gets the sleep?

 

[Crystal_]

Out of curiosity, does spd/atk lost from para/burn remains after the mon gets the sleep?

Of course. To keep things clear, there's nothing in the game that "reverts" the par/brn stat drops, unless we are talking about reseting or recalculating the stat(s), which occurs after using Haze or after a stat up/down move that affects the stat in question is used, respectively.