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Sub 3 attacks keldeo is an option, as it can just sub up once it's in, and let the sub take whatever hit the opponents switched in check/counter throws, and break said check/counter leaving the rest of the team, that probably won't have any more reliable checks/counters to this, to get swept.
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e: fixed cos it didn't work, dw Tressed you posted correct one first :)
e: fixed cos it didn't work, dw Tressed you posted correct one first :)
Damage is not calced against the Sub, but against the Pokemon behind it. Only if the Dragonite regains full HP will the Substitute consider Multiscale active.
Can any high-level player explain to me why Non-Mega Gardevoir isn't ranked in OU? I remember reading a while ago that it was basically the only good scarf fairy, and... well, that does seem rather solid in general. While it's never reaching the levels of power it's Mega form is, 125 Special Attack backed up with Fairy STAB and a decent movepool is very solid. I can see a set like...
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spd
Moonblast
Psyshock
Focus Blast
Trick/Memento
Working really well to outpace dragons and really mess with them, as well as obliterating stall 'mon like Mega Sableye without taking up your Mega Slot (Mega Voir) or being really slow (Sylveon).
That said a Scarf Gardevoir was discussed a while ago and there has to be some reason it wasn't considered at least D-rank by now, and of course I'm not an experience player so I would be interested to see the reasons why Scarf Voir didn't go through.
Edit: A few calcs
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 278-330 (92 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Sableye: 270-318 (88.8 - 104.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gallade: 270-318 (97.4 - 114.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Lopunny: 312-368 (115.1 - 135.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I should also mention that with a Scarf, Gardevoir outspeeds fully invested positive natured 135s like Lop.
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spd
Moonblast
Psyshock
Focus Blast
Trick/Memento
Working really well to outpace dragons and really mess with them, as well as obliterating stall 'mon like Mega Sableye without taking up your Mega Slot (Mega Voir) or being really slow (Sylveon).
That said a Scarf Gardevoir was discussed a while ago and there has to be some reason it wasn't considered at least D-rank by now, and of course I'm not an experience player so I would be interested to see the reasons why Scarf Voir didn't go through.
Edit: A few calcs
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 278-330 (92 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Sableye: 270-318 (88.8 - 104.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gallade: 270-318 (97.4 - 114.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Lopunny: 312-368 (115.1 - 135.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I should also mention that with a Scarf, Gardevoir outspeeds fully invested positive natured 135s like Lop.
I'm suffering from major 6-slot syndrome right now. This is what I have so far:
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 24 Def / 232 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast (or perhaps Energy Ball to deal with Rotom-W?)
Bisharp @ BlackGlasses
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Pursuit/Swords Dance
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Tailwind?
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Icy Wind
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rock Slide
- Rapid Spin
I know I need a hazard remover, but I'm not happy with Excadrill: it repeats types I already have, shares weaknesses with my other pokemon, and adds nothing in terms of coverage.
Any ideas? I really want to base this around Mega-Gardevoir.
Additionally, I've never actually used Keldeo before, so I don't know what set would best complement the M-Gardevoir set.
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 24 Def / 232 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast (or perhaps Energy Ball to deal with Rotom-W?)
Bisharp @ BlackGlasses
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Pursuit/Swords Dance
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Tailwind?
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Icy Wind
Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rock Slide
- Rapid Spin
I know I need a hazard remover, but I'm not happy with Excadrill: it repeats types I already have, shares weaknesses with my other pokemon, and adds nothing in terms of coverage.
Any ideas? I really want to base this around Mega-Gardevoir.
Additionally, I've never actually used Keldeo before, so I don't know what set would best complement the M-Gardevoir set.
A measly 68 base hp, and 65 base defence means that it gets beaten by pretty much any form of common physical priority. 80 base speed means it gets outsped by the majority of common scarfs in ou, m-beedrill & m-sceptile, as well as only speed tieing with m-gyarados and being outsped by m-zard x after a dd. M-gardevoir has a guaranteed 2hko on spdef heatran, whearas there is merely a 39% chance max normal gardovoir will 2hko with focus blast. 1v1, m-slowbro can actually set up on normal gardevoir, as moonblast will only do 54% max, allowing slowbro to cm. Next turn, moonblast only does 36% max, allowing slowbro to heal up. It doesn't have a guaranteed 2hko on m-zard x, or even on lati@s. I think a more important reason however, is that it is very easy to scout against scarf gard. Simply switch to something like ferrothorn, heatran, or skarmory, and depending on wether they focus blast, or moonblast, either stay in, or switch out to your dragon to threaten them out. And because it has only 80 base speed, opposing scarfs will quite often outspeed gard, and revenge kill it. Not to mention that bisharp can kill it with sucker, with very little prior damage being necessary. In order to live priority hits, and the occasional hit it will take from staying in, gard has to make sure it only comes in on a free turn, as it can not afford to come in on an attack. This means that for most of the battle, it would be played very conservatively, and not really be contributing much. Better to just use things like scarf lati@s or scarfchomp to revenge kill dragons.
Sorry for double post, but it is really confusing to fit 2 quotes on the same post.
Life orb keldeo, or even sub cm keldeo might work a bit better, as having too many choiced pokemon on an offense team can quite often be detrimental to the team, as they get revenge killed fairly easily, and you will find yourself needing to switch out to a mon that can sponge the damage (something which latias could actually do) quite often.
As for gard, definitely use focus blast over energy ball, so you can hit things like heatran and ferrothorn for actual damage. Lati@s deals with rotom-w pretty well, anyways.
If you want to get rid of drill, want to keep a a hazard remover, and want to retain type diversity, you could swap drill for something like choice scarf + trick + defog lati@s, as you do not yet have a scarf, or a dragon type, and having a dragon type on your team can be invaluable, due to all the resistances you get.
Life orb keldeo, or even sub cm keldeo might work a bit better, as having too many choiced pokemon on an offense team can quite often be detrimental to the team, as they get revenge killed fairly easily, and you will find yourself needing to switch out to a mon that can sponge the damage (something which latias could actually do) quite often.
As for gard, definitely use focus blast over energy ball, so you can hit things like heatran and ferrothorn for actual damage. Lati@s deals with rotom-w pretty well, anyways.
This has to do with not being tested fully. There's a lot of things that warrant further investigation instead of people just theorymonning which happens a lot when people try to explain viability. I'll more than likely be testing this out sometime in the future but there's your answer.
What timezone does Smogon generally run on, for suspect tests and other such things? Is it always EST?
Considering it's based in NJ, yes.
Can't decide on Adamant or Jolly for a Bulky DD Zard X set (~104/~220/0/0/0/~184). I know that +1 Jolly can outspeed Scarf-Landorus and OHKO with Flare Blitz (factoring in SR), but are there any major OHKO's or cutoffs that require Adamant? I just cant decide.. the set is:
Roost
Dragon Dance
Flare Blitz
Dragon Claw
Roost
Dragon Dance
Flare Blitz
Dragon Claw
Jolly is the reason why you would run that spread cause outpacing Scarf Lando-T after a +1 boost is extremely important. I'd stick with this spread and a Jolly nature tbh. Factoring in realistic circumstances there's not a huge benefit of using Adamant for those EVs as Adamant runs more bulk overall provides a somewhat different function in terms of its defensive presence.
Question: is chesnaught using big root good or can be viable?
You are better off with leftovers, it gives you a more solid means of recovery
Leftovers is more solid recovery and if you have enough support to keep it healthy (like wish support) you can also try out Rocky Helmet. Both are better than Big Root
Thank you for a fast response. :) will try rocky
Which is the best ou cleric?
It depends on the playstyle. Stall is best of using Chansey but Sylveon and Clefable are good options too. Balanced teams are best of using Sylveon in my opinion. For offensive teams Sylveon and Clefable both don't fit very well so the only option is Heal Bell Mega Lopunny, which is better of running something like Sub, PuP, Baton Pass or Encore
Because i'm new to the competitive and i want to build a team around mega-lopunny, bit i don't know where to start. Is a cleric important for mega lopunny? I prefer a set with sub ans pup
No. The only 2 moves that are needed are Return and High Jump Kick. You are left with Fake Out, Baton Pass, Toxic, Encore, Substitute, Power-Up Punch, Ice Punch, Heal Bell, Magic Coat, Healing Wish or Facade. I can't say you should pick Encore and Substitute for example because it really depends on what your team needs
Dear Smogon users,
I've always liked three pokes, and I'd like to build a decent team around them:
1. Metagross, my favorite one, I'd love to mega it in ORAS
2. Cloyster, looks good + shell smash sweeping is so fun
3. Gengar, painsplit+sub variant, it's so annoying for the opponents :)
I also liked lead infernape with fake out cause it could destroy a lot of popular leads in 5th gen and set easy stealth rocks, but I guess the good times are over
Could you suggest me some decent roles to support the three pokemons mentioned above?
I kinda like clerics with wish+healbell, but dislike Chansey & Clefable for the appearance alone.
Cheers
I've always liked three pokes, and I'd like to build a decent team around them:
1. Metagross, my favorite one, I'd love to mega it in ORAS
2. Cloyster, looks good + shell smash sweeping is so fun
3. Gengar, painsplit+sub variant, it's so annoying for the opponents :)
I also liked lead infernape with fake out cause it could destroy a lot of popular leads in 5th gen and set easy stealth rocks, but I guess the good times are over
Could you suggest me some decent roles to support the three pokemons mentioned above?
I kinda like clerics with wish+healbell, but dislike Chansey & Clefable for the appearance alone.
Cheers
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