np: UU Stage 1 - Changes

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oh god yes no mamo no conk no sylveon no cancerous meta except fuck jirachi

all we got back was medicham, though at least she still has merits as a pretty strong choice scarfer, which differentiates her from nape and mienshao.
 
With spiritomb recently on the rise, i can see it as being a good counter to medicham / mega medicham. It is immune to both STABs and 2hkos with foul play. The best move they can hit it with is ice punch which doesn't even 3hko.

I also doubt medicham will be a good scarfer for the same reason chandy isn't a good scarfer anymroe. It is outsped by most other scarfers plus Mega sceptile, mega beedrill, mega aero and mega zam.
 
Mence, Conk, Sylv all didn't drop, and nothing of the three that were potentially gonna leave, none of them did.

Amazing :[

Well, at least the meta is gonna stay the same.
 
So if the usage stats for ou stay roughly the same for this coming month (which i doubt they will), we will gain Heracross, (Mega) Pinsir, and Salamence, with a chance of gaining Terrakion, Mandibuzz and Manectric.

We will lose Diancie and Sceptile, with a chance to lose Swampert, Politoed, Tentacruel (probably not because this was only used for greninja), Raikou, Beedrill and Empoleon (same deal as tenta).

Thoughts?
 
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Tentacruel is actually a very popular Sableye partner for dealing with Fairies, so I think it has a better chance of going up than Beedrill or Swampert.
 
fuck mega pinsir lmao

i wouldnt mind seeing megaman back again, in a metagame that's completely alien to him, its sure to be a sight to watch.

also just fyi in case nobody remembers, but terrakion is officially bl (that is, he's banned from uu, and isn't coming back down without a retest)
 
Both Mega Pinsir and Terrakion will go to BL very very quickly. Even with Crobat, Pinsir's insane speed tier and power for that speed means the only safe switch is Mega Aero, which also isn't safe lest you switch into a +2 Close Combat. Mega Manectric (if we get him back) will fare better and worse. He's not weak to Rocks and he's got Intimidate, but he doesn't have ANY recovery outside of Rest (which I will now proceed to ignore for the duration of this post) and he's vulnerable to Spikes and potentially Earthquake, if whoever is using Pinsir is crazy enough to try it. Pretty much everything else is rent in two by Return, Quick Attack, and +2 CC/EQ.

Oh shit, I just remembered Mega Ampharos, but he suffers mostly the same problems that plague Mega Manectric, except that Rest Talk is more viable while he doesn't Intimidate Pinsir and is slower and is therefore susceptible to eating +2 Close Combat or Earthquake.
 
The only thing that dropped this month was Medicham because they used a different cutoff for tiering this month.
 
Welp RIP all the Theorymon oh well lets focus on the facts

Medicham what Niches it has and how will it affect the meta?
And the Most Important when the hell we wll restest Mega Medicham so this meta will see a shift?
 
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I really doubt Terrak and Pinsir will end up staying in UU if it drops. Terrak has a great speed tier (Scarf would be the fastest in UU), has the perfect STAB combinations, with two boosting moves. I think it could be managble, to stop fat things like Suicine and SubCoil Zygarde from setting up (fuck those 2 win con..), but I think it would make offense so much stronger than it already is. Tell me what's coming in on a banded CC lol

Pinsir has really good stats overall, only hindered by its typing, but honestly, that makes it even better since it gets STAB Aerilate Frustration, priority, and boosting moves.

Mega-Manetric I think would be perfect in the tier. Even with intimidate, it isn't able to take hits that well, and it also lacks the raw power to destroy the entire tier. Its movepool is rather static, with the only variations being HP Grass vs HP ice. I think it would be healthy!
 
KaiseraAeros said:
Welp RIP all the Theorymon oh well lets focus on the facts

Medicham what Niches it has and how will it affect the meta?
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Medicham's HJK hits slightly harder than Reckless Mienshao's (although not so much harder that it really makes a difference), and its coverage moves hit much harder.

  • 252 Atk Pure Power Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Electric: 222-262 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 252 Atk Reckless Mienshao High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Electric: 211-250 (55.2 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Of course, the way crappier Speed tier is problematic, and without U-turn I don't think it's worth it (you get Baton Pass for momentum, but eh)... but things like Crobat and Chesnaught can't safely switch in for fear of taking a STAB Zen Headbutt, which DOES give it a niche.

  • 252 Atk Pure Power Medicham Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Crobat: 386-456 (103.4 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  • 252 Atk Pure Power Medicham Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 204-240 (53.6 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

So a Scarf set is definitely viable, although like Chandy, it comes just shy of MBee and MScept even with Jolly, and if it goes Adamant, it doesn't even outspeed 252+ Crobat. (I know that 252+ is more than most Crobats tend to run, but still, if your ONE NICHE over Mienshao is beating Crobat, it would suck to be outsped.)
 
Megallade was pretty cancerous in the tier, Mega Pinsir is pretty much just Gallade v2: Return hits just as hard, without the drawbacks and with much better coverage, while Pinsir has priority to basically screw over most scarfers. Aerodactyl is the only thing in the entire tier that can really check him per se, and it's really a far stretch since he's also weak to SR.

We're looking at a former S-rank OU pokemon, someone who was once considered for a suspect test in OU, mind you. There is absolutely no way Mega Pinsir is not going to be cancerous in UU rofl
 
Let us just forget about Mega Pinsir I mean just look at the value of priority in this tier, and him having one of the strongest and best priorities available kinda just seals the deal, especially coming off that base Atk and boosted by his ability. Doesn't take a genius to figure out how difficult it is to stop, especially when all the good bird spam checks are up in OU.

However, I have to say it is a bit strange to see how far Pinsir has fallen, I mean it is not a surprise but considering how much it defined the previous OU meta still feels weird to see it fall into obscurity. Really it is impressive how the mighty have fallen... and at such a short span of time (not even a new gen).
 
tier update thread op said:
We're now in Month Two of that solution: allowing Pokemon to rise if their usage is more than 4.52% (50% chance of seeing the Pokemon at least once in 15 battles) and drop if used less than 2.28% of the time (50% chance of seeing the Pokemon at least once in 30 battles). We'll do another tier update next month that uses the same threshold for rising and dropping (the familiar 3.41%), and those tiers we plan to lock in for three months.
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So we would've gotten Heracross and Pinsir in a normal month, but because a different cutoff was used, we only got Medicham as a result of the tier shift, so basically the meta is the same. The funny thing is, all three of the things we would've gotten are checked by Mega Aerodactyl given a free switch in.
 
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I think Mega Pinsir is kinda like Diggersby in that it practically needs a Magnezone support or else Skarmory is gonna be a pain in it's butt. So despite it's stupid power it has noticeable flaws in OU as well that 4x rock weakness and the mega slot competition just gets harder and harder. But yeah no way in hell is that beast gonna be allowed in UU.

+2 252 Atk Mega Pinsir Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 181-214 (52.6 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

In fact it's because of it's stupid power as well as it's aerilate boosted quick attack it hasn't really fallen in the OU viability rankings, (A is a pretty solid rank).
 
smh why are we even considerng pinsir. the only reason pinsir hasnt been seeing usage in ou is because of "new toy syndrome", where everyone feels obligated to use new megas instead of the old, much like how mega blastoise sees significantly less usage in uu comparitive to 3 months ago. hopefully ou players will recognize that pinsir was an S-Tier pokemon in XY, and that nothing from ORAS has hurt it's effectiveness. Lest we not forget that Pinsir was almost fucking suspected in OU in XY, and seriously, nothing is stopping it from being that good again. if pinsir drops i will be seriously disappointed in OU players, like seriously, this thing is fucking ridiculous, open your eyes.
 
Uh for the poeple asking for a more and less legit reason of Pinsir Viability Drop is kinda the Gallade/Sableye Situation although not as bad since Mega Gross Completely tends check non EQ Pinsir really well and without Knock Off you can`t make Shed Shell Skarmorys Trapable although being fair that is not really a fair reason for it to drop all the way up to UU.

Also if you guys want a Bird Check that doesn`t use a Mega Slot we have a old hero who helped us deal with Band Tini in the old days and even in OU is called upon to deal with Birdemic teams the Rock Born(although its shaky since it takes a crapload of dmg from a +2 CC also use the OU Spread not some sissy as SPDef spread)

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KaiseraAeros said:
Uh for the poeple asking for a more and less legit reason of Pinsir Viability Drop is kinda the Gallade/Sableye Situation although not as bad since Mega Gross Completely tends check non EQ Pinsir really well and without Knock Off you can`t make Shed Shell Skarmorys Trapable although being fair that is not really a fair reason for it to drop all the way up to UU.
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lmao pinsir gets knock off. if you really need it to make skarm trappable, you can.

EDIT: He meant that if you run knock, Megagross beats you, and if you run EQ/CC, skarm int trappable. you cant treat it like Magnezone + Pinsir is an entire team. Knock off is a practical necessity for a successful team. Pin + Mag just needs support from, say, Bisharp (or anything else with Knock Off.) Pinsir takes almost no support to use well in OU, basically Mag + knock off + pinsir.

Either way, I don't want to delve too deep into this because these are uu forums. Let's get back on track, I was just bringing everything down to earth with my last post about Pinsir in OU.
 
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Pinsir has lost viability to various meta-game trends not in its favor not just new toy syndrome and to be frank it's not as crazy as you're describing it when it has become another set up sweeper in a metagame dominated by dangerous scarfers, M-Gross, and the increased viability of threats such as Raikou on your general builds. With that being said I highly doubt Pinsir would drop to UU based on the assumption that OU players aren't aware of its presence. There's plenty of viable stuff in that tier to use where Pinsir wouldn't always be the best choice for a mega because XY =/= ORAS and Pinsirs viability as such doesn't correlate between the two metas and is never a constant.

On an UU related note on the off-chance it were to ever drop please don't allow this thing to stay in UU rofl.
 
I'm a big fan of Subroost Kyurem with Toxic Spikes or Status support from the Team right now. The reason I think it is that good, is because of all the Electric Pokemon that are being used to handle Pidgeot on offensive teams, most of them can't really touch it. Also a lot of bulky waters give it the opportunity to set up a sub. It can't touch those bulky waters, that is why status support from the team is so important, and especially toxic spikes are doing great. I used a Team with Tspikes + Kyurem + Dugtrio and enjoyed using it a lot. CB Krook can be used instead of Duggy. I think Kyurem deserves some more usage, because is nothing to ignore. Those 101hp subs, the base 95 speed, the good bulk and ice is an great offensive typing.
 
Hey, so things are a bit quiet around here so here is something to spice it up.

Zygarde and Alakazam have both been banned.

Zygarde combines absolutely fantastic bulk, typing and move options in order to become one of the most effective sweepers not only through Sub + Coil but also when equipped with Dragon Dance. Zygarde has the potential with just two sets to be able to completely dismantle almost every playstyle, where stall struggles immensely with Sub Coil, while Offense struggles against Dragon Dance due to the bulk that means Pokemon such as Mienshao and Krookodile can't even revenge kill it. If Zygarde manages to get behind a sub or set up a DD, there is almost nothing in the entire metagame that can go toe to toe with this monster, so with that Zygarde is heading to BL.

Mega Alakazam sits on its perch as one of the most terrifying wallbreakers/revenge killers/sweepers to ever grace UU. It's absolutely mind blowing offensive stats with 175 Special Attack and 150 Speed (making it tied for the fastest UU Pokemon in the tier alongside Mega Aerodactyl) means that this thing is not only hard to switch into but also hard to revenge kill as well. It's combination of moves in Psychic/Psyshock, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball and Calm Mind mean that Mega Alakazam can pick and choose the mons it wants to eliminate keeping in mind that just Psychic/Ghost/Fairy coverage hits almost the entire tier for at least neutral damage. Alakazite has finally proven to be too strong for UU and will be returning back to the realms of BL.

Happy UU'ing! :toast:
 
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