np: UU Stage 1 - Changes

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GULLY said:
I strongly disagree, mandi is going to be a huge help for alot of defensive and balance teams, its a great defogger and checks a great deal of stuff with it bulk. I have access to foul play knock off taunt u-turn whirlwind which are all great moves that can bolster different play styles according to what moves you choose. But after Dark's boost in Gen 6 I can't see mandi dropping even further, it has way too much going for it rn.
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Please read my posts for calcs against common UU wallbreakers. This is illustratedly false.
 
I'm actually looking forward to this meta, as it means a whole lot of shit that was on the verge of being amazing will hit full stride. Alakazam is the most notable case, blah blah blah, no more checks, op, ban it, blah blah blah. Another case that people fail to acknowledge for the most part is Lucario. Lucario will be losing it's premier revenge killer, as Jirachi outsped it and resists Extremespeed. Lucario will definitely be taking a leap forward in power/viability, and may claim the throne it once had in UU. I see spikestack becoming a hell of a lot more viable in the coming future, as Alakazam and Lucario are both beaten out by the go-to spinblock imo, Spiritomb. It can easily pursuit trap the former and Will-O-Wisp the latter. Not to mention, spikestack almost always runs Alakazam, Lucario, or both. I genuinely see it becoming a much better playstyle in the coming days.
 
Conk dropping to UU would be really gnarly and would almost guarantee replacing Machamp as a Guts user. I think CB or AV would be the most viable sets to really tear stuff up...

252+ SpA Mega Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 278-330 (79.2 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Psyshock ruins it, but you can also pull a similar set to Snorlax to let it survive Psyshock (252 Def EVs), but then you're maimed by Psychic. But, with all the flying spam, I'm really surprised that Conk hasn't dropped sooner. I'm assuming that Bisharp being a top threat and the ability to tank a boosted Sucker Punch while cleanly KOing with Mach Punch along with other dark types is a real contributor to why it stayed OU for so long. But, that's just speculation!

Sylveon sounds pretty cool though. Although it should be noted that DD Ziggy has a chance to OHKO with just 1 boost thanks to Sylveon's base 65 def.

+1 252 Atk Life Orb Zygarde Earthquake vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 376-445 (95.9 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

And Poison is a pretty common attacking type in UU at the moment, so I think Sylveon would fare pretty well.
 
~Volbeatdown~ said:
I'm actually looking forward to this meta, as it means a whole lot of shit that was on the verge of being amazing will hit full stride. Alakazam is the most notable case, blah blah blah, no more checks, op, ban it, blah blah blah. Another case that people fail to acknowledge for the most part is Lucario. Lucario will be losing it's premier revenge killer, as Jirachi outsped it and resists Extremespeed. Lucario will definitely be taking a leap forward in power/viability, and may claim the throne it once had in UU. I see spikestack becoming a hell of a lot more viable in the coming future, as Alakazam and Lucario are both beaten out by the go-to spinblock imo, Spiritomb. It can easily pursuit trap the former and Will-O-Wisp the latter. Not to mention, spikestack almost always runs Alakazam, Lucario, or both. I genuinely see it becoming a much better playstyle in the coming days.
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I always thought Scarf Chandy was one of Lucario's premier checks. oh well...

But, Spiritomb is definitely carving out its niche in UU since ORAS began. I think people are realzing that Infiltrator Sucker Punch/Pursuit, WoW and decent bulk (albeit low HP) allows it to check certain mons. I think Spiritomb could be like Whimsicott (another infiltrator mon) that has the tools to get the job done.

But, Jirachi leaving would take away one of Zam's premier checks. Somebody posted something a while back saying that Jirachi is kind of like the required glue for most teams. It's ability to be easily slapped on just about any team, resists SR, immune to T Spikes and can Paraflinch almost everything not named Suicune or Mega Aggron to death. But, the fact that almost everybody uses Rachi might take away from the fact that some other mons are in fact more threatening, which wasn't as apparent before (i.e. mega zam).

It's definitely going to be an interesting (and I think better meta) without Rachi blindly spamming Iron Head.
 
Kyubey is BL'd since three days into uu and i honestly dont see him even getting a re-suspect even if he somehow magically drops again because he's just fucking retarded (he hits harder than like everything else combined, iron head fucks fairies, ice beam fucks everyone else. also he's a pita to kill). if he does he'll probably just go off within 3 days because all he really needs to worry about is like scarf mienshao/infernape lol

also dear lord fuck mamo ice/ground is a pretty godly stab combination in uu, its only resisted afaik by bronzong AND THE ALMIGHTY SURSKIT. cb hits like a truck, ice shard basically checks everything, and even the lead set is kind of silly due to endeavor/stealth rock (although arguably speaking infernape is still better for this role).

anyway with a really unstable meta atm there's going to be a lot of uncertainties going into later today, so all we have to do is to just sit there and wait.
 
Stone Edge isn't that good on swine, it needs either Freeze Dry or Knock Off, for Mola and Swamp, and Zong respectively. However...
252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rotom-H: 131-155 (54.3 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

This means that only defensive variants of Rotom-H are safe switch ins to the swine.
 
smogon gay baby #4 said:
Please read my posts for calcs against common UU wallbreakers. This is illustratedly false.
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Well i for one wont be keeping in my mandibuzz on retarded strong fightings like those nor something that beat me one on one. Im not completely sure but mandi should be able to beat zam with full spdef but thats here nor there. The fact of the matter is that mandi functions well as a stall breaker with taunt/ knock off. Offensive annoyance with foulplay, pivot with u turn very nice bulk and reliable recovery, aswell as a decent hazard remover for BALANCE. Idk why anyone in thier right mind would use defog as thier hazard removal on stall unless its a secondary option. Maybe youll just have to see in action to get over your conclusion based on your pessimistic theorymoning.
 
FINALLY YOU ARE LEAVING RACHI.
this pokemon is like one of the most annoying pokemon i've ever faced.

as if raikou leaves, one of my favorite pokemon (jolteon) is gonna become a lot better, as it will be the best electric type without a secondary typing in uu for more weaknesses.
mamoswine is completely outclassed by piloswine mamoswine will be fun to play with when we get it (if we do), but it will probably be sent to bl pretty quickly.
sylveon should be in uu, and if it drops it's a new toy!
mandibuzz's only niche is defog+foul play, which no mons in uu get that can use it well.
conkeldurr, if it drops machamp probs will go to ru.
azelf like doesn't really do that much that is really important.
 
Are people still arguing about Mandibuzz?

I am not so sure Jolteon will replace Raikou. Raikou has a lot more bulk, more Spa, and a better movepool (for choiced sets at least). Jolteon has a better ability, faster speed tier, and a better support movepool (baton pass and wish lol). Not so sure electric types will be defining in UU, considering the best flying type is Pidgeot, and unless staraptor and other flying types get more usage/dropped to UU, I don't see electric types being that used.

I am really interested in seeing how Mandibuzz and Sylv end up in UU. Mandi, I think, could be a decent defogger on balanced teams, because it has reliable recovery, taunt, defogging, phasing. Sylveon has the coveted fairy typing. I really hope it caters to a more offense/balanced UU tier!

Is Mence still dropping to uu o.o>?
 
UU ALL DAY said:
Is Mence still dropping to uu o.o>?
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Definitely, it has gone missing ever since Mega Mence got banned xD

Same can almost be said about Mega Medicham, it pops it's head every now and then but it has little business in OU where Mega Gallade and Mega Sableye are popular mega choices.
 
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Mega Medicham was BL'd right? So that means if cham drops it's mega will go back to BL?

I don't really see regular medicham doing much tbh. It's a little too slow and hits only marginally harder than mienshao:

252 Atk Pure Power Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 259-306 (75.9 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Reckless Mienshao High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 247-292 (72.4 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

however, it will probably run an adamant nature considering it's speed tier isn't very good anyway, so:

252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 285-336 (83.5 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I guess the dual STAB combination is nice, but idk what medicham will really do. maybe a cb wallbreaking set?

252+ Atk Choice Band Pure Power Medicham High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 354-417 (66.2 - 78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

however high jump kick is a bad move to spam since walls like to carry protect. also a scarf set would be bad because it still doesn't outspeed the fast megas of the tier iirc. thoughts?
 
Curious to see if Beedrill will take a hit with its best buddy for volt turn leaving. Actually 2 of his volt turn friends are leaving now that I think about it...Jirachi you will be missed. Idk why all of you are talking about Jolteon replacing Raikou though. If any electric type is going to step up its going to be either Rotom-C, who can much more easily deal with bulky waters or Rotom-H who is just awesome.
 
Meowiekins said:
Curious to see if Beedrill will take a hit with its best buddy for volt turn leaving. Actually 2 of his volt turn friends are leaving now that I think about it...Jirachi you will be missed. Idk why all of you are talking about Jolteon replacing Raikou though. If any electric type is going to step up its going to be either Rotom-C, who can much more easily deal with bulky waters or Rotom-H who is just awesome.
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Jirachi will never be missed....but in all serious, I don't think beedrills viability won't take much of a hit, the rotom forms, as you stated, will fill the role quite nicely. He also has a lot of power while being very fast, so his niche isn't just volt turning.
 
Meowiekins said:
Curious to see if Beedrill will take a hit with its best buddy for volt turn leaving. Actually 2 of his volt turn friends are leaving now that I think about it...Jirachi you will be missed. Idk why all of you are talking about Jolteon replacing Raikou though. If any electric type is going to step up its going to be either Rotom-C, who can much more easily deal with bulky waters or Rotom-H who is just awesome.
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It is a wonder if he will even be staying UU considering his usage the first time around was quite high.
 
People shouldn't be using Mence in OU right now so I'd assume so.

Also, looking again I really don't think anyone should be thinking about Jirachi leaving this month, the November post-ORAS stats (an inaccurate, but better-than-pre-ORAS prediction of December usage) only had it at 2.4% usage and it's not like its viability was affected by MegaMence any more than any other 'mon. If anything I'd be looking for Jirachi to leave in February when its specially defensive set (the most common one in OU afaik) isn't a free switch-in for the best special attacker in the tier.
 
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