I'm really having trouble deciding which nature to run for a bulky DDZard - Adamant or Jolly? I get that Jolly can beat Scarf Landorus-T, but what are the important OHKO's Adamant secures?
I'm really having trouble deciding which nature to run for a bulky DDZard - Adamant or Jolly? I get that Jolly can beat Scarf Landorus-T, but what are the important OHKO's Adamant secures?
The best spread is Jolly 104 HP / 220 Atk / 184 Spe as it allows Charizard to outspeed choice scarf landorus-t after a dragon dance and KO it with unboosted flare blitz after stealth rock damage.I second this.
Is it still the
144 HP/252 Atk/112 Spe
spread thats up on the main website?
I second this.
Is it still the
144 HP/252 Atk/112 Spe
spread thats up on the main website?
The best spread is Jolly 104 HP / 220 Atk / 184 Spe as it allows Charizard to outspeed choice scarf landorus-t after a dragon dance and KO it with unboosted flare blitz after stealth rock damage.
Like what? Being able to outpseed Choice Scarf Landorus-T is really important in this meta.Wouldnt he miss out on some crucial KOs with a jolly nature?
Why 184, out of curiosity?Im running Jolly now with 220 atk and 184 spe
Why 184, out of curiosity?
The best spread is Jolly 104 HP / 220 Atk / 184 Spe as it allows Charizard to outspeed choice scarf landorus-t after a dragon dance and KO it with unboosted flare blitz after stealth rock damage.
i agree that air slash sucks on it. but it IS stab... as opposed to the point you are makingOkay, I just thought of "supporting" in a different way. But a few things.
Zard Y doesn't use non STAB coverage moves unless there is a 4X difference in their effectiveness. This is why Air Slash is an utter garbage move on Zard Y, and I facepalm hard when I see it.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 160-190 (24.9 - 29.5%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO
Not much better, but a bit.
As for Latios, speaking from experience, you don't usually carry Dragon Pulse to win one-on-ones (Unless you are running Flame Charge or Tailwind as well, which is rare). You carry it to beat or do serious damage to switch-ins. Since Latios doesn't usually run Roost and tends to carry a Life Orb, 66.2-78.1% damage is a big deal.
Weather-setters are kind of a mixed bag. Yes, Politoed or T-Tar switching in can rain out (or sand out?) Zard-Y's day. But at the same time, you shouldn't be using SolarBeam against a competent opponent that has an opposite weather setter, and Focus Blast wrecks Offensive T-Tar switch-ins. Additionally, for rain, it's a two way street, with Sun messing with Rain to a degree as well, and Zard Y getting the benefit of setting weather last on the turn it mega evolves.
Zard Y really isn't that tough to support. Psychic is a garbage defensive type, so teams tend to have coverage for Lati@s in the first place, and Chansey tends to be a problem most teams should be prepared for in the first place (I miss Aegislash)
Air Slash gives no noteworthy coverage since Fire Blast hits all of its targets harder.i agree that air slash sucks on it. but it IS stab... as opposed to the point you are making
i know its not worthy, i even said so in the post. was just pointing out that it was, in fact, stab.Air Slash gives no noteworthy coverage since Fire Blast hits all of its targets harder.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Air Slash vs. 96 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 272-324 (81.1 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 96 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona in Sun: 301-355 (89.8 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Venusaur: 246-290 (67.5 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Thick Fat Mega Venusaur in Sun: 270-318 (74.1 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Also why the hell did you reply to a post from over 2 months ago?
That is true, but I said they only needed to be weakened a bit. Also, Charizard X prefers a Jolly nature and often uses 220 Atk EVs. So the calc would look like this:Well...
+1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Diancie: 198-234 (82.1 - 97%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
It doesn't entirely need Mega Diancie gone, but yeah.
Anyone ever tried out Swords Dance, Dragon Dance, Flare Blitz, Dragon Claw? You have a way better matchup against pokemon like Mega Diancie because you get the speed and power to kill them, where Tailwind is forced to switch out. The only issue would be the nature, as you need Adamant to kill Quagsire, but you need Jolly for Landorus-T.