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Lemonade. said:
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I don't think you should mention Trick Darkrai because it's pretty much nonexistent and not that good. Just Dark Void and setting up

Also Sweep said this:

Blissey and Clefable appear a few times on SPL teams with Ferro and they fit the cleric role (also can Wish Pass) you described so maybe mention those.

Usage Tips
examples of Pokemon you would expect to have Fire Blast / Focus Blast ie Dialga, Mewtwo, Palkia, maybe even potential HP Fire from Latis

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Not qc but imo change the section detailed Magic Bounce into Mega Sableye's own section, out of the two viable Magic Bouncers, Diancie is scared witless by Ferrothorn unless it's running an extremely rare HP Fire while Sableye pretty much completely shuts it down.
 
Nice and simple, just like the mon it is about.

The only thing I would do is flesh out what makes Ho-Oh such a good partner (It LOVES Spikes support). Mention Lugia (comes in on Fighting types and a few Fire-types easily while phazing around and getting mileage out of Spikes) and Arceus-Water (Ho-Oh check that isn't Fighting weak with Defog potential; covers Fire weakness) as partners also since they are almost mandatory teammates for it on stall.

Do this and you have my QC 3/3
 
WreckDra said:
Nice and simple, just like the mon it is about.

The only thing I would do is flesh out what makes Ho-Oh such a good partner (It LOVES Spikes support). Mention Lugia (comes in on Fighting types and a few Fire-types easily while phazing around and getting mileage out of Spikes) and Arceus-Water (Ho-Oh check that isn't Fighting weak with Defog potential; covers Fire weakness) as partners also since they are almost mandatory teammates for it on stall.

Do this and you have my QC 3/3
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Overview
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Ferrothorn has solid defensive stats and a good defensive typing with lots of resistances, while also having solid defensive stats. It is commonly seen on teams as a strong check to Kyogre, Latios, and Latias. Ferrothorn's support movepool is very wide, consisting of moves such as Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, Spikes, and Leech Seed. Its decent Attack stat combined with Gyro Ball allows it to check many speedy threats such as like Mega Gengar and Xerneas. However, Ferrothorn is complete Taunt bait, is very slow, and has a nasty 4x weakness to Fire-type moves.

Support
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name: Support
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Gyro Ball / Power Whip
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Protect / Thunder Wave / Toxic
ability: Iron Barbs
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
nature: Sassy

Moves
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Ferrothorn is one of the best users of Spikes entry hazard setters in the Ubers tier due to its solid bulk. (I hope this change is okay? these first four sentences were all pretty short and I felt like we could combine some) It fares very well against the most common Defoggers, Latios and Latias, especially if it is running a status move such as Toxic. Spikes also allows Ferrothorn to pressure defensive teams. It is also a good user of Stealth Rock due to it's solid bulk. Gyro Ball is for faster Pokemon such as Mega Gengar and Xerneas, while Power Whip hits Kyogre, Arceus-Ground, and Palkia. Power Whip also packs quite a punch against neutral targets. Leech Seed helps Ferrothorn recover health, and combined with entry hazards, it can be used to chip away at the opponent's foe's health. Protect goes very well with Leech Seed and Leftovers, allowing it Ferrothorn to recover more HP, (remove comma) while also scouting against Choice-locked Pokemon. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple setup sweepers, but it should not be used with Gyro Ball because Thunder Wave will lower Gyro Ball's power. Toxic can wear down common switch-ins such as like support Arceus formes and Defog users, and therefore it has good synergy with Spikes.

Set Details
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Iron Barbs helps Ferrothorn wear down physical attackers such as like Mega Kangaskhan. Leftovers gives Ferrothorn passive recovery, helping it avoid some crucial 2HKOs and 3HKOs. 252 HP and Special Defense EVs allow Ferrothorn to better check lots of special attackers, such as like Kyogre, while a Sassy nature further boosts Ferrothorn's special bulk. 0 Speed IVs should be used with Gyro Ball, because it strengthens Gyro Ball to strengthen it. Investing in Defense is also not a bad idea, as it helps Ferrothorn check powerful physical attackers such as like Swords Dance Arceus variants Formes.

Usage Tips
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You should aim to use Ferrothorn's good defensive typing and bulk to your advantage by using it to set up entry hazards reliably. Ferrothorn should be taking hits and trying to wear down the opposing Pokemon with residual damage, such as from Leech Seed, entry hazards, or Toxic. Around common Fire Blast or Focus Blast users such as like Dialga, Palkia, and Mewtwo, use Protect to scout if they have it. Also keep in mind that Gyro Ball only has 8 PP, so use it only when you have to.

Team Options
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Ho-Oh is another good teammate for Ferrothorn, as the two have perfect synergy together, and Ho-Oh loves Spikes support to wear down its checks and counters. Lugia can come in on Fighting-types and a few Fire-types easily and phaze to take advantage of Spikes. Arceus-Water can check Ho-Oh, Defog, while also being a good check to Fire-types in general (do you mean Arceus is using Defog? then say "Arceus-Water can check Ho-Oh and other Fire-types in general as well as provide Defog support" or something). Setup sweepers appreciate Ferrothorn setting up entry hazards, (remove comma) and using Toxic and Leech Seed to wear down bulky walls that they cannot muscle past. Ferrothorn also loves cleric support from Pokemon like such as Blissey or Clefable, as it is easily worn down by burn damage.

Other Options
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You can opt to run Rocky Helmet over Leftovers, as this makes to heavily damage Pokemon that make contact with Ferrothorn take a lot of damage,; (semicolon) however, the passive recovery from Leftovers is usually better. Knock Off can be used to neuter some Pokemon such as like Latios or Latias holding a Soul Dew.

Checks & Counters
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**Fire-type Pokemon**: (colon) Fire-type Pokemon such as Mega Blaziken, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh can roast Ferrothorn with their respective STAB moves. However, both (you listed three, though) are neutered by Thunder Wave or and Toxic.

**Taunt**: (colon) Taunt users such as Yveltal completely shut Ferrothorn down, (remove comma) but must be wary of Gyro Ball, Leech Seed, and or status.

**Darkrai**: (colon) Darkrai can easily cripple Ferrothorn with Dark Void, (remove comma) and proceed to use it as setup fodder if running Nasty Plot.

**Mega Sableye**: (colon) Mega Sableye stops Ferrothorn from setting up entry hazards, (remove comma) and takes pitiful damage from its attacks.

**Powerful Physical Wallbreakers**: (colon) Powerful Physical wallbreakers like Primal Groudon can easily beat Ferrothorn with Fire Punch, and Rayquaza can easily break through this set with Dragon Ascent or V-create. Mega Salamence takes little damage from Gyro Ball, (remove comma) and doesn't care about status if it is running Refresh, while it can easily use Ferrothorn as setup fodder. However, all of them are annoyed by Leech Seed.

**Fire-type Coverage Moves**: (colon) - (remove dash) Ferrothorn must be very careful around Pokemon that commonly use Fire-type coverage, such as Fire Blast Dialga, Palkia, and Mewtwo as well as the occasional Hidden Power Fire from Mega Diancie and Xerneas.
 
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GP 1/2 ^_^
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Overview
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Ferrothorn has solid defensive stats and a good defensive typing with lots of resistances, while also having solid defensive stats. It is commonly seen on teams as a strong check to Kyogre, Latios, and Latias. Ferrothorn's support movepool is very wide, consisting of moves such as Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, Spikes, and Leech Seed. Its decent Attack stat combined with Gyro Ball allows it to check many speedy threats such as like Mega Gengar and Xerneas. However, Ferrothorn is complete Taunt bait, is very slow, and has a nasty 4x weakness to Fire-type moves.

Support
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name: Support
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Gyro Ball / Power Whip
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Protect / Thunder Wave / Toxic
ability: Iron Barbs
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
nature: Sassy

Moves
========

Ferrothorn is one of the best users of Spikes entry hazard setters in the Ubers tier due to its solid bulk. (I hope this change is okay? these first four sentences were all pretty short and I felt like we could combine some) It fares very well against the most common Defoggers, Latios and Latias, especially if it is running a status move such as Toxic. Spikes also allows Ferrothorn to pressure defensive teams. It is also a good user of Stealth Rock due to it's solid bulk. Gyro Ball is for faster Pokemon such as Mega Gengar and Xerneas, while Power Whip hits Kyogre, Arceus-Ground, and Palkia. Power Whip also packs quite a punch against neutral targets. Leech Seed helps Ferrothorn recover health, and combined with entry hazards, it can be used to chip away at the opponent's foe's health. Protect goes very well with Leech Seed and Leftovers, allowing it Ferrothorn to recover more HP, (remove comma) while also scouting against Choice-locked Pokemon. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple setup sweepers, but it should not be used with Gyro Ball because Thunder Wave will lower Gyro Ball's power. Toxic can wear down common switch-ins such as like support Arceus formes and Defog users, and therefore it has good synergy with Spikes.

Set Details
========

Iron Barbs helps Ferrothorn wear down physical attackers such as like Mega Kangaskhan. Leftovers gives Ferrothorn passive recovery, helping it avoid some crucial 2HKOs and 3HKOs. 252 HP and Special Defense EVs allow Ferrothorn to better check lots of special attackers, such as like Kyogre, while a Sassy nature further boosts Ferrothorn's special bulk. 0 Speed IVs should be used with Gyro Ball, because it strengthens Gyro Ball to strengthen it. Investing in Defense is also not a bad idea, as it helps Ferrothorn check powerful physical attackers such as like Swords Dance Arceus variants Formes.

Usage Tips
========

You should aim to use Ferrothorn's good defensive typing and bulk to your advantage by using it to set up entry hazards reliably. Ferrothorn should be taking hits and trying to wear down the opposing Pokemon with residual damage, such as from Leech Seed, entry hazards, or Toxic. Around common Fire Blast or Focus Blast users such as like Dialga, Palkia, and Mewtwo, use Protect to scout if they have it. Also keep in mind that Gyro Ball only has 8 PP, so use it only when you have to.

Team Options
========

Ho-Oh is another good teammate for Ferrothorn, as the two have perfect synergy together, and Ho-Oh loves Spikes support to wear down its checks and counters. Lugia can come in on Fighting-types and a few Fire-types easily and phaze to take advantage of Spikes. Arceus-Water can check Ho-Oh, Defog, while also being a good check to Fire-types in general (do you mean Arceus is using Defog? then say "Arceus-Water can check Ho-Oh and other Fire-types in general as well as provide Defog support" or something). Setup sweepers appreciate Ferrothorn setting up entry hazards, (remove comma) and using Toxic and Leech Seed to wear down bulky walls that they cannot muscle past. Ferrothorn also loves cleric support from Pokemon like such as Blissey or Clefable, as it is easily worn down by burn damage.

Other Options
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You can opt to run Rocky Helmet over Leftovers, as this makes to heavily damage Pokemon that make contact with Ferrothorn take a lot of damage,; (semicolon) however, the passive recovery from Leftovers is usually better. Knock Off can be used to neuter some Pokemon such as like Latios or Latias holding a Soul Dew.

Checks & Counters
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**Fire-type Pokemon**: (colon) Fire-type Pokemon such as Mega Blaziken, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh can roast Ferrothorn with their respective STAB moves. However, both (you listed three, though) are neutered by Thunder Wave or and Toxic.

**Taunt**: (colon) Taunt users such as Yveltal completely shut Ferrothorn down, (remove comma) but must be wary of Gyro Ball, Leech Seed, and or status.

**Darkrai**: (colon) Darkrai can easily cripple Ferrothorn with Dark Void, (remove comma) and proceed to use it as setup fodder if running Nasty Plot.

**Mega Sableye**: (colon) Mega Sableye stops Ferrothorn from setting up entry hazards, (remove comma) and takes pitiful damage from its attacks.

**Powerful Physical Wallbreakers**: (colon) Powerful Physical wallbreakers like Primal Groudon can easily beat Ferrothorn with Fire Punch, and Rayquaza can easily break through this set with Dragon Ascent or V-create. Mega Salamence takes little damage from Gyro Ball, (remove comma) and doesn't care about status if it is running Refresh, while it can easily use Ferrothorn as setup fodder. However, all of them are annoyed by Leech Seed.

**Fire-type Coverage Moves**: (colon) - (remove dash) Ferrothorn must be very careful around Pokemon that commonly use Fire-type coverage, such as Fire Blast Dialga, Palkia, and Mewtwo as well as the occasional Hidden Power Fire from Mega Diancie and Xerneas.
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thanks, I implemented this, ready for final GP check!
 
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Overview
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Ferrothorn has solid defensive stats and a good defensive typing with lots ofhich gives it many resistances. It is commonly seen on teams as a strong check to Kyogre, Latios, and Latias. Ferrothorn's support movepool is very widlarge, consisting of moves such as Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, Spikes, and Leech Seed. Its decent Attack stat combined with Gyro Ball allows it to check many speedyfast threats such as Mega Gengar and Xerneas. However, Ferrothorn is complete Taunt bairendered useless by Taunt, is very slow, and has a nasty 4x weakness to Fire-type moves.

Support
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name: Support
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Gyro Ball / Power Whip
move 3: Leech Seed
move 4: Protect / Thunder Wave / Toxic
ability: Iron Barbs
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
nature: Sassy

Moves
========

Ferrothorn is one of the best entry hazard setters in the Ubers tier duehanks to its solid bulk. It fares very well against the most common Defoggers, Latios and Latias, especially if it is running a status move such as Toxic. Spikes allows Ferrothorn to pressure defensive teams, deterring them from switching. Gyro Ball is forused to heavily damage faster Pokemon such as Mega Gengar and Xerneas, while Power Whip hits Kyogre, Ground Arceus-Ground, and Palkia. Power Whip hard; it also packs quite a punch against neutral targets. Leech Seed helps Ferrothorn recover health, and, combined with entry hazards, it can be used to chip away at the foe's health. Protect goes veryworks well with Leech Seed and Leftovers, allowing Ferrothorn to recover more HP while also scouting against Choice-locked Pokemon. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple setup sweepers, but it should not be used with Gyro Ball, because Thunder Wave will lower Gyro Ball's power. Toxic can wears down common switch-ins to Ferrothorn such as support Arceus formes and Defog users, and therefore; as such, it has good synergy with Spikes.

Set Details
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Iron Barbs helps Ferrothorn wear down physical attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan. Leftovers gives Ferrothorn some passive recovery, helping it avoid some crucial 2HKOs and 3HKOs. 252 HP and Special Defense EVs allow Ferrothorn to better check lots of special attackers, such as Kyogre, while a Sassy nature further boosts Ferrothorn's special bulk. 0 Speed IVs should be used with Gyro Ball to strengthen it. Investing in Defense is also not a bad idea, as it helps Ferrothorn check powerful physical attackers such as Swords Dance Arceus variants with more ease.

Usage Tips
========

You should aim to use Ferrothorn's good defensive typing and bulk to your advantage by using it to set up entry hazards reliably. Ferrothorn should be taking hits and trying to wear down the opposing Pokemon with residual damage from Leech Seed, entry hazards, or Toxic. Around common Fire Blast or Focus Blast users such as Dialga, Palkia, and Mewtwo, use Protect to scoutee if they have it. AIt should also keep in minbe noted that Gyro Ball only has 8 PP, so use it only when you have to.

Team Options
========

Ho-Oh is a good teammate for Ferrothorn, as the two have perfect synergywork well together, and Ho-Oh lovappreciates Spikes support to, which wears down its checks and counters. Lugia can comeswitch in onto Fighting-types and a few Fire-types easily and phaze its foes to take advantage of Spikes. Water Arceus-Water can check Ho-Oh and other Fire-types in general as well; it can also providinge Defog support. Setup sweepers appreciate Ferrothorn setting up entry hazards, and using Toxic and Leech Seed to wear down bulky walls that they cannot muscle past. Ferrothorn also loveenjoys cleric support from Pokemon such as Blissey or Clefable, as it is easily worn down by burn damage.

Other Options
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You can opt to run Rocky Helmet over Leftovers to heavily damage Pokemon that makuse contact with Ferrothornmoves; however, the passive recovery from Leftovers is usually bettermore useful. Knock Off can be used to neuter someitem-reliant Pokemon, such as Latios orand Latias holding Soul Dew.

Checks & Counters
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**Fire-type Pokemon**: Fire-type Pokemon such as Mega Blaziken, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh can roastare able to KO Ferrothorn with their respective STAB moves. However, both Mega Blaziken and Ho-Oh are neutered by Thunder Wave and Toxic.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal completely shut Ferrothorn down but must be wary of Gyro Ball, Leech Seed, and status.

**Darkrai**: Darkrai can easily cripple Ferrothorn with Dark Void and proceed to use it as setup fodder if running Nasty Plot.

**Mega Sableye**: Mega Sableye stops Ferrothorn from setting up entry hazards and takes pitifullittle damage from its attacks.

**Powerful Physical Wallbreakers**: Primal Groudon can easily beat Ferrothorn with Fire Punch, and Rayquaza can easily break through this set with Dragon Ascent or V-create. Mega Salamence takes little damage from Gyro Ball and doesn't care aboutis unaffected by status if it is running Refresh, while it can easily userender Ferrothorn as setup fodder. However, all of them are annoyed by Leech Seed.

**Fire-type Coverage Moves**: Ferrothorn must be vewary careful around Pokemon that commonly use Fire-type coverage moves, such as Fire Blast Dialga, Palkia, and Mewtwo as well as the occasional Hidden Power Fire from Mega Diancie and Xerneas.
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