UU in OU

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I will explain the title. I don't want to discuss the list tiers. But there are pokemons in UU which are in the shadows due to other one, which could do the same. For example, Blaziken (UU) and Infernape (OU). This ones will never work in OU as good as the other, but there are others that could be in OU because they can do things that others can't. For example, Cacturne (UU), which can use the Focus Sash, with no fear of the Sandstorm, with Counter and Sucker Punch.

are there others like Cacturne?
 
I post this all the time because of my love for Qwilfish, but with Focus Sash, the guy is almost guaranteed at least one kill.

Turn 1: Rain Dance
Your speed is now above 500. If they attacked, Focus Sash takes effect (unless they wouldn't have killed you anyways).
Turn 2: Waterfall / Explosion
Waterfall if you feel the STAB, Rain Dance'd move with 160 power will kill them. If not, you can blow up on them. Qwilfish has abnormally decent attack for a UU Poké.

Another option is Spikes/Toxic Spikes, if they didn't attack on the first turn and you can get another move in.
 
LOL, thats a funny idea. And I thought Qwilfish sucked :D

I suppose there is a lot of UU pkmn who can survive in OU given a good strategy. That quilfish one is a good strategy, but Trick Room brings a lot of normally UU slow guys into OU play. For example, with Trick Room up, something like Crawdaunt or Kingler would be much more dangerous than Weavile (weavile is always jolly, so it'd have 339 attack instaed of 372 or 394 : O ) and much faster... or Cacturne with Sucker punch can sure lay the smack down.
 
Froslass has routinely played well for me in OU. It may not have the staggering attack of Gengar, but it's faster, which helps in Destiny Bonding opponents dead. STAB Ice Beam is definitely a plus.

Gastrodon is another poke who seems to be underrated - it seems like it can survive nearly the entire spectrum of attacks (barring explosions) and counter/mirror coat them back then recover off the damage.
 
Tentacruel isn't exactly amazing, but it has some useful resists for OU. It resists Fighting, Bug, Fire, Water, and Ice but it also is weak to Ground and Electric which are also common attacking types.
 
There are loads of good UU pokemon that are useful in OU for setting up for the rest of the team. Some examples:

Abomasnow - hail
Tentacruel - toxic spikes
Mr. Mime - reflects and lightscreens
Drifblim - subpassing

There are also UU pokemon that work well as part of a themed team. eg:

Shiftry - sunny day teams
Golduck - surprise water in sun teams
Walrein (dragontamer's set) - awesome wall in hail
Shuckle - same as walrein for sandstorm
Shedinja - incredibly specialised

But I don't think there are many (if any at all) UU pokemon that will fit into the standard OU tier. They are UU for a reason.
 
imo, the calm mind clefable set can definitely keep up in OU play. with his ability, his high base HP, and moonlight (unless you like softboiled + cute charm), once he's set up he can sweep even the highest tier teams with relative ease.
 
ExperimentaL said:
I post this all the time because of my love for Qwilfish, but with Focus Sash, the guy is almost guaranteed at least one kill.

Turn 1: Rain Dance
Your speed is now above 500. If they attacked, Focus Sash takes effect (unless they wouldn't have killed you anyways).
Turn 2: Waterfall / Explosion
Waterfall if you feel the STAB, Rain Dance'd move with 160 power will kill them. If not, you can blow up on them. Qwilfish has abnormally decent attack for a UU Poké.

Another option is Spikes/Toxic Spikes, if they didn't attack on the first turn and you can get another move in.
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Don't forget Destiny Bond.
 
Theres probably alot of them, these are the ones I've actually gone and tried and tested repeatedly.

Sableye-
Don't laugh, it can easily shut down most physical pokemon in the OU environment being able to Knock Off, Burn and Recover. Its sturdier than some people give due credit for thanks to a good recovery move and defensive typing.

Qwilfish-
As someone mentioned already, it already has Tentacruel's great typing. Its stats aren't terrible just nothing special and it has one of the most varied movepools available. Spikes, Destiny Bond, Explosion, offense are all available to the little guy. I often used it as my spiker since it could also provide a threat on top the only other being Froslass pretty much.

Hitmontop-
Much sturdier than anyone gives credit for with excellent special defense and high defense. Resistant to Stealth Rock with Rapid Spin, two great possible traits and a nice variety of powerful attacks. Also Intimidate variety is one of the best users of Bulk Up as either way you attack it, its not going to hurt much unless its STAB and super effective. The Technician variety can do some serious revenge killing with Technician'd Fake Out + 90 power Mach Punch.

Shiftry-
It learns Explosion, Swords Dance, Leaf Storm, even Leech Seed and Nasty Plot...nuff said.

Politoed/Wrath-
Really underrated. Poliwrath gets Hypnosis, Belly Drum, dual Fighting type, STAB Focus Punch, Water Absorb, Ice Punch (From Advance) and even Waterfall for STAB now and can still do some damage with Hydro Pump. Toed is similar except with less weakness, Haze/Perish Song and slightly bulkier and able to abuse Counter because of it.

Blastoise-
One of the most defensive Rapid Spinners around with Yawn, Haze/Roar, Mirror Coat and Counter.

Primeape-
95 base speed, Scope Lens/Razor Claw, Focus Energy, Cross Chop, Stone Edge = Higher critical than Absol with Super Luck. Gets U-Turn on top for quick escapes and immunity to sleep which always equates a easy switch.

Kangaskhan-
A complete powerhouse with great stats in everything and strong movepool, great trait which makes STAB Fake Out followed with Sucker Punch a pain to deal with, sorta similar to the second Hitmontop I mentioned.

Tauros-
This needs no introduction, Tauros hurts everything. Alot.

Lanturn-
Lanturn = Starmie rape. It laughs at even Grass Knot varieties which at best only get 60 power on it. The standard sweeper Starmie can do absolutely nothing to Lanturn.

Porygon2-
Its a pain to kill...it really is.

Ludicolo-
Not so much does well in OU as it does in 00bers. Ludicolo is one of the few things in the entire game that can stop a Kyogre rampage dead. Not even Blissey can wall Kyogre which gives you an idea how effective it is.

Miltank-
Physical Blissey. A really fast and strong physical Blissey.
 
I use Spinda on netbattle pretty effectively, actually.

And I've found Ludicolo is probably the hardest thing for me to take down.
 
every pokemon can be used effectively with the right set-up and teammates (other than maybe flareon). the reason that OU pokes are OU is that they dont need as much support to make them shine.
 
Forsety said:
Ludicolo-
 Not so much does well in OU as it does in 00bers. Ludicolo is one of the few things in the entire game that can stop a Kyogre rampage dead. Not even Blissey can wall Kyogre which gives you an idea how effective it is.
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I really think you're over exaggerating. Thunder hurts quite a bit.
 
My Froslass has always worked well for me when i stick it in my standard team. I commonly see them on other teams as well. Starmie probably outclasses it, but Destiny Bond is such an underrated move.

Primeape deserves a mention, too. Who knew it had such a diverse movepool? Overheat allows it to 2HKO Skarm, Bronzong and company, and Bronzong can't even put it to sleep. It gets outclassed by Infernape of course, but it's definitely workable.
 
TBH almost anything that has a niche can be used in OU if it's the right team. It's just most people rather just bog standards. There's no reason why most UU can't be used effectively in OU. If not for the fact I'm at a university computer lab atm, I would list what all 270 Pokes could do, or at least cramp up my fingers trying.
 
Tauros-
This needs no introduction, Tauros hurts everything. Alot.
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Unless I'm very mistaken, Tauros is (or rather, will be) BL.

And I agree with the general theme of this topic: a lot of UU stuff is usable in OU, but 99% of the time you'd probably just be better off with OU level pokes.
 
I don't know, some of the new moves like Sucker Punch and trick room brings a lot of new ideas to the table for a OU team. Take Slobro for instance. Now that it gets Slack Off and Trick Room, it rockets straight up to OU as a powerful tank/sweeper.

I'm sure with enough thought, people could come up with other killer strategies that could make "tiers" obselete (depending on the moveset/skill of the player of course)
 
pikachus is pretty deathly now..light ball doubles its attack and speial attack..has good speed ..volt tackle kills..focus punch too,thunderbolt on the special side along with surf or hidden power ice you just need prediction since its fragile
 
In single battle you are better of with OU, but double battle is where BL/UU/ can shine, because while OU pokemon tend to work better alone, UU pokemon work great with other pokemon that can cover there weaknesses. Allowing them to take on OU with ease in some cases. There is a Warstory on the site somewhere that shows this. I kid took down an entire uber team with a mostly UU team.

EDIT: found the link: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25479
 
Honchkrow makes a pretty good lead I think, as an anti-lead lead.

It kills:
Hera Leads (drill peck, survive with focus sash, sucker punch)
Breloom Leads
Gengar leads (lol insomnia and sucker punch)
Dragon Leads (1 hko with Hidden Power ice if you put 252 in sp.ATK like I do, or 2hko with ice + sucker punch)
Shedinja subbers (Whirwind or sucker punch . . .)
Yanmega (lol at insomnia + drill peck + sucker punch, doesn't like u-turn though)

It basically covers all the common leads except Hippowdon, Gyarados, and Swampert. (depressing that hidden power grass does less than 50% to hippowdon, and I wouldn't carry it just for swampert, and hidden power electric doesn't do enough to gyara either . . .) Has a bit of trouble with bronzong. Other stuff like Porygon Z can be brought down but it requires some prediction . . .
 
Smeargle has a slightly above-average movepool. His stats aren't all that great, but can any other Pokémon put you to sleep, Sub, Belly Drum, then pass that to a Medicham? No?
 
Wow, great war story. I guess that's why focus sash/trick room teams are becoming the norm for UU teams LOL... man. I gotta get my hands on one of them trick roomers so my Crawdaunt can get his fill O' kills XD
 
Chris is me said:
Smeargle has a slightly above-average movepool. His stats aren't all that great, but can any other Pokémon put you to sleep, Sub, Belly Drum, then pass that to a Medicham? No?
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Slightly above-avarage? Well, it can learn every move that exists, but other that that...
 
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