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NOC Fire and Ice Mafia: Fire and Ice tie, the village loses.
- Thread starter The Diabolic Gift
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If there are mistakes then point them out please.
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Day 1:
Lynch Targets:
Haunted Diamond (3): Spiffy, Celever, Cancerous
Gale Wing Srock (2): ButteredToast, UltrasPlot
PokeguyNXB (2): UncleSam, Walrein
Celever (2): Acidphoenix, Haunted Diamond
UncleSam (1): Gale Wing Srock
Da Letter El (1): PokeguyNXB
Not voted / Unvoted (2): Yeti, DaLetterEl
Current Players:
Acidphoenix
ButteredToast
Cancerous
Celever
DaLetterEl
Gale Wings Srock
Haunted Diamond
PokeguyNXB
UncleSam
Yeti
The Idiotic One Spiffy
THE_IRON_...KENYAN? UltrasPlot
Hannahh
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Day 1:
Lynch Targets:
Haunted Diamond (3): Spiffy, Celever, Cancerous
Gale Wing Srock (2): ButteredToast, UltrasPlot
PokeguyNXB (2): UncleSam, Walrein
Celever (2): Acidphoenix, Haunted Diamond
UncleSam (1): Gale Wing Srock
Da Letter El (1): PokeguyNXB
Not voted / Unvoted (2): Yeti, DaLetterEl
Current Players:
Acidphoenix
ButteredToast
Cancerous
Celever
DaLetterEl
Gale Wings Srock
Haunted Diamond
PokeguyNXB
UncleSam
Yeti
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This is EXACTLY why I lynched him at the start of the game. His post which is the whole reason for my pushing his lynch in the firs place when he tried the same shit on me. Sorry, I just had to point it out because everyone was saying my vote was just OMGUS.
Still can't respond to posts from earlier because I don't have my laptop, just my iPad which is literally the worst to type on soooo. Is there actually any reason to?
Gale that post is useless since out host is doing exactly this in the joint convo anyway. I would say you're trying to feign contrbution, but I really don't think you knew better. Don't bother to do it again.
Lol I left that convo. Why am I not getting any updates from it though? Is he editing it?
Why do I feel that Celever is being tensed? And US is trying to make him calm? Lol, call me paranoid. But these two just seem to be supporting each other quite a bit. :p
Like I said before, I've been pretty busy and the amount of contribution I make is solely due to my sense of responsibility for signing up. I haven't read anyone's posts other than the people I gave a read on. You guys need to get that in your heads if you want to have a healthy read on me.
With that said, I'm not opposed to a me lynch for today. It gives town some much needed info (look into celever, US, spiffy, Pokeguy) and hopefully the next game people won't get sudden scumreads on me when I say I've been busy.
With that said, I'm not opposed to a me lynch for today. It gives town some much needed info (look into celever, US, spiffy, Pokeguy) and hopefully the next game people won't get sudden scumreads on me when I say I've been busy.
Haunted Diamond To me, you are only really getting scum reads because you mindlessly bandwagoned onto a weak, early lynch and have done a very inadequate job of attempting to defend yourself. Hopefully next game you play you see that this is a bad idea as evidenced by preforming this stunt straight out of the gate Day 1 and being a top lynch candidate both times. Your activity level has nothing to do with jumping on very poor early bandwagons without explanation.
Literally HD, all you said on your US lynch was "I feel convinced. Vote UncleSam" which is pretty much the most bullshit thing you could have done right then. If only you said something in regards to "I see something in the UncleSam thing and am going to vote to put pressure on him" then you might have been okay as the third person. You did this same thing in Fallout where you went from a Jalmont vote straight into a Cancerous bandwagon almost immediately after you said you didn't understand the Cancerous lynch.
So yeah. This isn't about your schedule at all and it never was. This is directly about your play and tendencies to bandwagon. So how about you try defending that instead of stating that you are busy and you are erratic.
Literally HD, all you said on your US lynch was "I feel convinced. Vote UncleSam" which is pretty much the most bullshit thing you could have done right then. If only you said something in regards to "I see something in the UncleSam thing and am going to vote to put pressure on him" then you might have been okay as the third person. You did this same thing in Fallout where you went from a Jalmont vote straight into a Cancerous bandwagon almost immediately after you said you didn't understand the Cancerous lynch.
So yeah. This isn't about your schedule at all and it never was. This is directly about your play and tendencies to bandwagon. So how about you try defending that instead of stating that you are busy and you are erratic.
Or that you have answered these questions through contributions in other areas because you really haven't to me.
Built a Case on Celever's Lynch:
Something about the quoted post of Celever, in my linked post, makes me believe that he thinks DLE is scum in this game, and doesn't want him to be subbed out as he is an experienced player.
One more example of Celever's contribution:
So my Reasons on Celever being a scum this game:
1) Too fixed on Haunted to be Lynched, only changed his vote once or twice?
2) Being suspicously low on my lynch, expecting me to be a scum of another team.
3) Celever's clear buddying of UncleSam and behaving similar to Great Idea Mafia (Where he was scum).
4) As soon as Celever seems to be slipping, UncleSam steps in to do some fixing. (UncleSam's slip up post is a good example for that)
5) Celever's play in Mario Kart Mafia (Where he was town) is almost similar with slight differences in scum hunting and contributions.
Lol I started looking to build a case for US, but then found more stuff for Celever. But I still feel that out of UncleSam, Celever, DLE and ButteredToast there would atleast be two scums.
UnVote
Lynch Celever
Celever hints at UncleSam to ignore me? Because that is what US has been doing.
Celever comes to the support of his Mafia buddy in Great Idea Mafia, only to vote DLE for being inactive. Incidentally, Obbmud was the target of a Lynch Wagon with two townies and two scums.
DLE was scum in that game, and he was lurking for half of Day 1 before requesting to be subbed out.
Celever most of the time slips and refers to us as "The Town" in his posts when on Ipad. As pointed out in this Post of mine.
Something about the quoted post of Celever, in my linked post, makes me believe that he thinks DLE is scum in this game, and doesn't want him to be subbed out as he is an experienced player.
Be wary of the Lynch that Celever leads. Haunted Diamond falls under that? @_@
Celever was Town in this one (Mario Kart Mafia). Look at the way he contributes in that game?
One more example of Celever's contribution:
Just reading through Celever's posts in the Mario Kart game tells me that he keeps a list of scums, Keep Changing his votes frequently (more frequent than he does when scum), and is constantly scum hunting and changing his opinion of folks.
So my Reasons on Celever being a scum this game:
1) Too fixed on Haunted to be Lynched, only changed his vote once or twice?
2) Being suspicously low on my lynch, expecting me to be a scum of another team.
3) Celever's clear buddying of UncleSam and behaving similar to Great Idea Mafia (Where he was scum).
4) As soon as Celever seems to be slipping, UncleSam steps in to do some fixing. (UncleSam's slip up post is a good example for that)
5) Celever's play in Mario Kart Mafia (Where he was town) is almost similar with slight differences in scum hunting and contributions.
Lol I started looking to build a case for US, but then found more stuff for Celever. But I still feel that out of UncleSam, Celever, DLE and ButteredToast there would atleast be two scums.
UnVote
Lynch Celever
And guys, don't worry about my activity. I am posting fairly regularly, and I don't think I have to put the vote status to show activity.
You have a really weird obsession on me. You've raised some good points about Celever though, and I think that given Gale's recent posting it would be really silly to lynch him over one of the non-contributors.
Similarly however I feel that Celever is contributing. While his buddying of me throughout this entire day has been really strange (particularly from someone else's perspective I'd guess) keep in mind that he's far from the only person reading me as town. You and Haunted Diamond are pretty much the only people who read me as scum, and your reasoning for me is based solely on...thinking Celever is mafia?
That being said I agree with Spiffy once again (sigh) and find Haunted Diamond's most recent posts to be screaming with 'omg pls lynch literally anyone else just not me I don't care', which is a pretty big scumtell. I'm not going to change my vote until Pokeguy gives me some meaningful analyses to at least make my changing votes worthwhile, but I think Haunted is back to the top of the 'who I'd like lynched' list.
Similarly however I feel that Celever is contributing. While his buddying of me throughout this entire day has been really strange (particularly from someone else's perspective I'd guess) keep in mind that he's far from the only person reading me as town. You and Haunted Diamond are pretty much the only people who read me as scum, and your reasoning for me is based solely on...thinking Celever is mafia?
That being said I agree with Spiffy once again (sigh) and find Haunted Diamond's most recent posts to be screaming with 'omg pls lynch literally anyone else just not me I don't care', which is a pretty big scumtell. I'm not going to change my vote until Pokeguy gives me some meaningful analyses to at least make my changing votes worthwhile, but I think Haunted is back to the top of the 'who I'd like lynched' list.
What did I tell you guys?
UncleSam to the rescue of Celever yet again!
Anyways, the only reason that, Celever is contributing and Haunted is not, shouldn't hold us from considering a Celever Lynch. Haunted has given us enough reasons to lynch him today or D2 or D3. I don't think his longevity in the game would matter as much as an experienced player like Celever's would matter. Who plays as close to town as possible, while actually being scum.
If Haunted stays on Celever's Lynch and Flips scum then we would have got two scums in two days (Although, mostly from a different team). Which would be awesome!
Celever's Lynch is definitely the most hurting one for the mafia team and I see it as being a better Lynch in every way.
Who do you guys feel would be a better Lynch? Assuming Celever is scum (which I think is clear from his approach this game).
UncleSam to the rescue of Celever yet again!
Anyways, the only reason that, Celever is contributing and Haunted is not, shouldn't hold us from considering a Celever Lynch. Haunted has given us enough reasons to lynch him today or D2 or D3. I don't think his longevity in the game would matter as much as an experienced player like Celever's would matter. Who plays as close to town as possible, while actually being scum.
If Haunted stays on Celever's Lynch and Flips scum then we would have got two scums in two days (Although, mostly from a different team). Which would be awesome!
Celever's Lynch is definitely the most hurting one for the mafia team and I see it as being a better Lynch in every way.
Who do you guys feel would be a better Lynch? Assuming Celever is scum (which I think is clear from his approach this game).
Gale Wing Srock what do you think about the evidence that has been brought up against Haunted Diamond and Pokeguy? I just think there are more compelling cases for lynching them than Celever. I am not a fan of arguments that involve association between players when neither have have flipped. It's shaky reasoning because buddying can still exist among villagers with town reads on each other.
Hold on, so here is a summary of Gale's case on me:
1) He really hunted for a connection between me and US and settled for me "hinting at US not to pursure Gale"? US wasn't even in the post IIRC, so how is it directed at US at all? And why is it hinting at anything? It was a clearly innocent comment.
2) In a previous game I defended Obbmud, my mafia buddy in Great Idea Mafia. Gale, the scum team in Great Idea Mafia was myself, starwarsfan and Walrein. Obbmud wasn't even scum in that game, I swear (I can't check b/c I'm on phone but I have a good memory of the game).
3) Apparently referring to the town as 'the town' is a scumslip. And Gale's quoted post is from a previous game. I don't even recall referring to us as 'the town' so far this game, since there hasn't been much talk about factions. So I made a not-scumslip in a previous game and that means that I am scum now in this game? Flawless logic, truly.
4) I was an advocate for a mislynch in Great Idea Mafia -- a mislynch on Shining Latios (or an alt of his) who is a renowned shitty player, even to the point of blacklisting -- so you should not follow any lynches I advocate because clearly I'm awful at it. Again, truly flawless logic.
5) I haven't made a summary of the game thus far yet and I did one once when I was town in an NOC game before so clearly I'm playing nothing like I was in that game when I was town so therefore I must be scum OH MY GALE GOT ME I SHOULD GIVE MYSELF IN NOW!!!1!
6) Umm... I'm lost. According to Gale when I'm town I make notes on the players and keep a list of scums, neither of which I do (trust me, I haven't made a single note this game thus far, nor did I make any in Mario Kart NOC). However he quoted a random post from Mario Kart NOC which doesn't have anything to do with me making notes (I copy/pasted the player list... that's not even real contribution, that's fake contribution which is a scum tell!).
7) Judging by the first day of the most recent NOC game in which I was town on this site (which was over 2 and a half years ago I think now) I switch votes more frequently when I'm town than I have been this game so I must be scum. Couldn't have been that I found a good lead which I haven't found a better alternative for or anything, clearly I'm mafia because that makes total sense lol!
Seriously, Gale if there is more to your case than what I've said in this post let me know, because there isn't.
And this was horrible to do on the phone. Thanks a lot for that.
1) He really hunted for a connection between me and US and settled for me "hinting at US not to pursure Gale"? US wasn't even in the post IIRC, so how is it directed at US at all? And why is it hinting at anything? It was a clearly innocent comment.
2) In a previous game I defended Obbmud, my mafia buddy in Great Idea Mafia. Gale, the scum team in Great Idea Mafia was myself, starwarsfan and Walrein. Obbmud wasn't even scum in that game, I swear (I can't check b/c I'm on phone but I have a good memory of the game).
3) Apparently referring to the town as 'the town' is a scumslip. And Gale's quoted post is from a previous game. I don't even recall referring to us as 'the town' so far this game, since there hasn't been much talk about factions. So I made a not-scumslip in a previous game and that means that I am scum now in this game? Flawless logic, truly.
4) I was an advocate for a mislynch in Great Idea Mafia -- a mislynch on Shining Latios (or an alt of his) who is a renowned shitty player, even to the point of blacklisting -- so you should not follow any lynches I advocate because clearly I'm awful at it. Again, truly flawless logic.
5) I haven't made a summary of the game thus far yet and I did one once when I was town in an NOC game before so clearly I'm playing nothing like I was in that game when I was town so therefore I must be scum OH MY GALE GOT ME I SHOULD GIVE MYSELF IN NOW!!!1!
6) Umm... I'm lost. According to Gale when I'm town I make notes on the players and keep a list of scums, neither of which I do (trust me, I haven't made a single note this game thus far, nor did I make any in Mario Kart NOC). However he quoted a random post from Mario Kart NOC which doesn't have anything to do with me making notes (I copy/pasted the player list... that's not even real contribution, that's fake contribution which is a scum tell!).
7) Judging by the first day of the most recent NOC game in which I was town on this site (which was over 2 and a half years ago I think now) I switch votes more frequently when I'm town than I have been this game so I must be scum. Couldn't have been that I found a good lead which I haven't found a better alternative for or anything, clearly I'm mafia because that makes total sense lol!
Seriously, Gale if there is more to your case than what I've said in this post let me know, because there isn't.
And this was horrible to do on the phone. Thanks a lot for that.
I was the 3rd person to vote, and I find that saying I am convinced is enough to show that I am convinced. Deal with it e.e
re: Celever vs Gale Wing Srock:
While not all of Gale's points are relevant or correct (it's true that Obbmud was not scum with us as far as I remember, and I don't really think referring to the town as such is a scumslip), Celever's defense was incredibly antagonistic and snarky, similar to how he's been acting all game, and in my experience this is pretty out of character for him. Also Celever you have 100% referred to the town as "the town" this game. If you want me to find an example I will.
Still, I already had him as a scumread so this doesn't really change much.
re: Haunted Diamond:
rofl
unvote
Lynch Haunted Diamond
While not all of Gale's points are relevant or correct (it's true that Obbmud was not scum with us as far as I remember, and I don't really think referring to the town as such is a scumslip), Celever's defense was incredibly antagonistic and snarky, similar to how he's been acting all game, and in my experience this is pretty out of character for him. Also Celever you have 100% referred to the town as "the town" this game. If you want me to find an example I will.
Still, I already had him as a scumread so this doesn't really change much.
re: Haunted Diamond:
rofl
unvote
Lynch Haunted Diamond
I hit reply and then instantly thought of more I wanted to say :/
I still think Pokeguy's scum, don't get me wrong. However, now that I've become pretty much convinced that HD is also scum, I feel the latter is a much better lynch just because of how much more he's been the topic of discussion than Pokeguy has. We're gonna get a lot of juicy information regardless of how he flips, and now that I think he'll almost certainly flip scum I find him to be the superior target.
I still think Pokeguy's scum, don't get me wrong. However, now that I've become pretty much convinced that HD is also scum, I feel the latter is a much better lynch just because of how much more he's been the topic of discussion than Pokeguy has. We're gonna get a lot of juicy information regardless of how he flips, and now that I think he'll almost certainly flip scum I find him to be the superior target.
Spiffy, I don't think any reasoning is 100% certain on Day 1?
It may be my inexperience, but I feel that Haunted Diamond / Pokeguy have exhibited scummy behavior so blatantly that, we could easily lynch them on the following days. But Celever is a tricky player, as in he will definitely try to hide his tracks in the coming days, while getting the remaining of HD and Pokeguy lynched on Day 2.
Also, if HD or Pokeguy are lynched. I would most certainly be night killed if Celever is scum, and his buddying with US is real.
The question is: Which Lynch is most effective? Not which lynch is easiest to achieve?
Easiest to achieve Lynch is definitely Haunted Diamond, followed by Pokeguy and me. But the most effective one is Celever Imo.
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1) Celever, US was tagged in that post as Leaning Town :o
2) Obbmud99 was scum in that game :o
3) Walrein has also seen your post, and I can quote you if you want.
Your other replies are just brushing things under the rug. Similar to how US reacts to Spiffy's scum reads on him.
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You are most certainly scum in this game Celever, and an Ideal Lynch Candidate for us.
Wait, I just thought of something.
If I am night killed on N1 then the folks I went after become prime suspects. So that possibility is ruled out.
But even otherwise, I think Lynching an experienced slight scum read > Lynching a newbie strong scum read. As the experienced scum would aid their team better at night and will distract us better during the day.
If I am night killed on N1 then the folks I went after become prime suspects. So that possibility is ruled out.
But even otherwise, I think Lynching an experienced slight scum read > Lynching a newbie strong scum read. As the experienced scum would aid their team better at night and will distract us better during the day.
Wait Obbmud99 is listed in the alive players, and is actually Town Mason. *Derp*
Unvote
Lynch Haunted Diamond
I've said many times why I think this is the optimal lynch target and I'm ready for this day to be over.
Da Letter El Yeti Cancerous PokeguyNXB please try to make a post prior to deadline. Particularly DLE.
Lynch Haunted Diamond
I've said many times why I think this is the optimal lynch target and I'm ready for this day to be over.
Da Letter El Yeti Cancerous PokeguyNXB please try to make a post prior to deadline. Particularly DLE.
Yeah I know I'll read over the thread soon and post within the hour. From what I remember I don't like the Haunted Lynch though, I don't see him with anyone.
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