ORAS LC My very first RMT, help needed.

Toonchu EU Switzerland

Banned deucer.
OK. Here's a team I made up for LC for fun. It worked for eight games, then I barely lost the last two. Here's the team:

meowth.gif

Meowth @ Eviolite
Ability: Unnerve
Nature: Quiet
252 Attack/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 Defense
-Nasty Plot
-Gunk Shot
-Foul Play
-Dark Pulse


>[1]I intend him to be a somewhat bulky special sweep, and his stats are perfect for the job. For LC tier, his stats are pretty high to me. His special and special defense stats are great, so gut feeling told me Meowth was the best choice for a special sweep.[2] his role is this: he is the Slow Bully Special Sweep. Capable of knocking out most pokemon once his Nasty Plot is stacked up. But before that, when Nasty Plot isn't stacked, he's out of luck.[3] For its moveset, it uses Nasty Plot to raise its special, then goes Gunk Shot. Dark Pulse as well, and Foul Play if the opponent shows to have good Attack,

purrloin.gif

Purrloin @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
Nature: Quiet
252 Attack/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 Defense
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Shadow Ball
-Facade
-Nasty Plot


>[1]I have the same exact same intentions for Meowth as for this Pokemon. Its special stat is really good, so having another special sweep doesn't hurt. Besides, Meowth is slower than Purrloin, so a more speedy sweep is very nice.[2] It is a Speedy Bully Special Sweep, making it much easier to out speed those pesky Resto-Chesto combo people.[3] Hidden Power Ice is to attack only if Shadow Ball and Facade fail to work. Shadow ball is for the STAB, and special. Nasty Plot is deployed to empower Shadow Ball even more, making this thing a beast! Eviolite helps Purrloin just like Meowth, keeping this Pokemon's okay defense stats bulky.

aron.gif

Aron @ Eviolite
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Lonely
252 Attack/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 Defense
-Autotomize
-Earthquake
-Iron Head
-Hidden Power (Ice)


>[1]This thing may have not been on this list, but it's attack stat and speed made me think this mon should be on my team. I knew this pokemon would help my team much, as Meowth and Purrloin need to stack, and this guy doesn't.[2]This thing is Speedy Physical Sweeper, capable of soaking and capable of being a super soaker. Eviolite helps it so it can tank those big hits.[3] I make this thing have Autotomize so it can be a speedy sweeper, destroying with Earthquake. Iron Head has less Accuracy, so it's less reliable than Earthquake. Hidden Power Ice is for if it needs to deal damage when the other moves aren't working.

cranidos.gif

Cranidos @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
Nature: Jolly
252 Attack/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 Defense
-Dragon Pulse
-Swords Dance
-Stone Edge
-Ice Beam


>[1] Cranidos's nice attack stat stood out to me, and i decided another physical sweep should be good. It's weakness is it isn't very bulky, so i have to dedicate some things to that. Other than that, he's good![2]A more Physical Sweeper, but more of a poor kamikaze, with sad defenses, i just hope i outspeed the opponent, and if i do, I will usually obliterate it out of my sight.[3] using stone edge to obliterate those things, which is this Pokemon's first priority move. Ice Beam to hopefully freeze the opponent, just in case it starts stacking stat boosts. and Dragon Pulse if nothing else works, because Swords Dance doesn't raise special, sadly. Swords Dance, of course, boosts the attack stat, so when the opponent is frozen, I can booost and boost and boost, until I am good enough to sweep.

honedge.gif

Honedge @ Spooky Plate
Ability: No Guard
Nature: Mild
252 Attack/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 Defense
-Autotomize
-Flash Cannon
-Destiny Bond
-Shadow Sneak


>[1] I thought to myself: if Aegislash is good, why shouldn't Honedge be good? I was correct. Honedge has great special, good special defense, and somewhat good speed.[2]Obviously a Speedy Special Revenge Killer, since as I said, has good special and speed, so nothing can really out speed it once it is sent out and begins getting its revenge.[3] Using Autotomize to get extremely speedy in case anything possibly out speeds it.. Flash Cannon is a secondary sweeping move, because it might not get the out speed. Destiny Bond if you think you really are in a pinch, but I think of it as "of you think you will get outsped and might die, Destiny Bond spam time". Shadow Sneak for sweeping everything in sight, it will always go first with Automize, and not only does it get STAB with Honedge's typing, Spooky Plate boosts the power even more.

froakie.gif

Froakie @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Protean
Nature: Hasty
252 Attack/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 4 Defense
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Surf
-Return
-Toxic Spikes


>[1] Froakie's nice special and speed stat make him a great choice for out speeding pokemon and doing great damage with his STAB ability Protean. He might need a little help for his defenses, but on the most part, he worked pretty good.[2]He's a Speedy Little Special Sweeper, using any move that is special to sweep. Protean helps him sweep with giving him STAB, and giving him more resitances, but sadly, may give him more weaknesses, that the opponent might have.[3] Hidden Power will be used to deal good special damage, and this becomes a fire type. It does decent damage, but Surf is the best one, which has the most base power. Return is real powerful, at max happines turns its base power into 102, and also makes it so only fighting types are super effective, which I think there are only 2 pokemon that are fighting types in the LC tier. Toxic Spikes for poisoning the pokemon that switches in if the trainer is that worried about Froakie destroying their team, which I doubt.


That's my experimental team for LC tier. Give me some good suggestions and I will thank you for it.


{EDIT: I fixed some simple mistakes. Oops.}
 
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Hello Toonchu EU Switzerland , and welcome to Smogon!

Unfortunately, this RMT is currently not following the rules which can be found in the RMT Resource Thread; specifically, this thread violates rule #4, because you lack sufficient descriptions for each Pokemon on your team. As such, I am afraid that I will have to lock this thread for the time being. If you would like this thread to be reopened, feel free to PM me with your updated RMT, and I would be happy to reopen this thread for you. If you need help making an RMT up to the required standards, I recommend that you carefully read the RMT Resource Thread and check out other RMTs from the Team Showcase and RMT Archive for some examples.

Good luck with your team, and have a nice day!

Edit: reopened!
 
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If you're wondering why I didn't play 15 games or 20 to get a good average, It was because it was, like, 1:00 AM over here in Switzerland. If there are any mistakes, let me know.
 
Heya! :D Alright, we have many things to work on this...
I would better covering some common mistakes that people usually do when they get first in LC and that you did, bafore getting to the rate:
  • 252/252 EV spread rarely work out in LC, with some few exceptions. I'll enter on this with more details on your team, but let's look at Cranidos. If you go back to PS's teambuilder, try instead just giving to Cranidos 236 Atk and you will notice how it didn't change a thing. As such, for Cranidos, a spread that wouldn't waste any EV points would be 236 Attack / 36 Def / 212 Speed. You have Max Attack and Speed with this, plus a neat extra Defense point with it. This happens due to Pokemon here being lv.5, so you need lots of EV points to change a Pokemon's stat.
  • Sitrus Berry is a terrible recovery item at LC. Prefer Berry Juice which, instead, gives you 20 HP recovery, much more than Sitrus Berry could even give you, as it's % based.
  • On Aron, while Eviolite seems a good idea due to its great physical defense, Berry Juice is always a better idea due to Sturdy; if Aron's it at full health, if you get hit by say Earthquake, you get in Sturdy range then Berry Juice gives you full health again.
  • Your team doesn't have a Knock Off user. This is a no-no for any LC team to be honest. That is because, the most common item in LC is, of course, Eviolite. If you don't have any Knock Off users, it means your Pokemon doesn't have any way to go past through very bulky Pokemon. For instance, with your team, you only have a chance to break Porygon with Cranido's setting up, but its really just getting Twaved.
  • I have to remember a metagame where a team without Stealth Rock support doesn't have much more difficulties. Toxic Spikes is just not so good in a fast paced metagame like this, and in the end of the day, Toxic Spikes is not difficult to handle.
This team has so many things to work on, If I gave you all the suggestions I have in mind, I would pretty much be giving a brand-new team, especially as we don't know what is your team based around. This is a very important topic that you must let be very clear on your RMT, so we raters give you the most appropiate suggestions for you. You can still use this team at ladder if you want but, later on, when you get paired with against more experienced players, I would recommend re-building this team from scratch. The team has many crippling flaws that in the future will not allow it to work at all which include:
  • Mixed attacker only without any boosting item. Your team can, I'm afraid, get easily walled by the very best defensive cores of the metagame.
  • Quite slow for an offensive team, your fastest Pokemon being Meowth, yet you don't invest in Speed at all, which, please do note, is LC's most important stat.
  • Your team is very frail, like very very very frail, leaving you with few room to breath against several threats faster than you.
  • Not solid win-cons (SD mixed Cranidos without any Speed is not pulling a sweep with no Speed or bulk at least) and your team doesn't really seem to do anything to support these win cons. You also said you want your Cranidos to Ice Beam the opponent multiple times untill you get in frozen, so you can boost, but that's not good, because, it's not like you can actually do it without Cranidos getting KOed. Cranidos doesn't have to rely on a 10% chance at all.
  • Why the Quiet Purrloin and Meowth as well? Also, a slight nitpick, but Purrloin doesn't get STAB on Shadow Ball, as it is Ghost-type, while its user, Dark-type only.
When you described Meowth's role on your team, you said you wanted him as a bulky set up sweeper. Thing is, even in LC, 40/35/40 Defenses are just bad, even if you actually invested on them. Whenever you want to make a new team, If you want a bulky set up sweeper, you could always look at the best in the metagame which is Timburr.
Timburr @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Guts
EVs: 116 Atk / 156 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Knock Off
- Bulk Up
It's up to you how you want your team to be. And don't worry by any of this! It's pretty normal, and If you want more help, you could always just VM me or go at PS! LC room or RMT room to look for guidance. Gonna leave an useful thread you might wanna give a look here, for research proposes. Then, feel free to lurk everywhere, sky's limit. If you want some help, or have any doubts from my explanation, don't hesitate to call me later! I'll also edit here with better sets you could use for the Pokemon you use on your team if you are interested.
GJ on your first RMT!
 
Hi Toonchu, your team looks nice, but the sets are unviable, and you also have got an huge weakness to fighting types. I'll try to help you has much as possible with this n_n. Also it seems like you don't know how to give EVs in LC, or which pokemons are viable in the meta, so I suggest you to read this guide, and the next time you try to build a team, give a look to viability ranking to see which pokemons are good, and to the smogdex to see what are the most viable sets.

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Change the Meowth's set to Fake Out / Return / U-Turn / Knock Off, change the ability to Technician to increase the Fake Out power, and it's the only viable option anyway. Change the EVs spread to 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 196 Spe alongside a Jolly Nature and run Life Orb as your item in order to maximize the Meowth's damage output. 19 IVs in HP will allow you to reduce the life orb recoil.

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Snubbul over Purrloin
will allow you to reduce your fighting weakness a bit, and with Thunder Wave it will give you some speed control.

304.png
On Aron, try a moveset of Rock Slide / Iron Head / Stealth Rock / Metal Burst, your team doesn't have a stealth rock setter, and rocks are really useful in this meta, so you really need to have them. Also on it run a spread of 196 Atk / 196 Def / 116 SpD alongside a Brave Nature and 0 IVs in Speed, in order to be slower as possible so you can get some kills with Metal Burst.

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On Cranidos Sheer Force over Mold Breaker as your ability will be a change that you might appreciate a lot, this will increase your power and it will allow you to get a nice OHKO on Mienfoo and Timburr with Zen Headbutt. Speaking of the moves, change the moveset to Rock Slide / Rock Polish / Earthquake / Zen Headbutt, this moveset can hit all the meta really hard. Life Orb is an item that this set will like a lot, giving more power to Cranidos' attacks and thanks to sheer force it won't take residual damage from Rock Slide and Zen Headbutt. Eviolite can be run over LO if you want to have more bulk while setting up with Rock Polish. The spread you should run with this is 60 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 132 Spe with an Adamant Nature. With this speed Cranidos will outspeed 18 base scarf user at +2.

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On Honedge try a set of Pursuit / Sacred Swords / Iron Head / Shadow Sneak, pursuit will allow you to trap psychic types and play some mindgames againist Gastly between Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe with an Adamant Nature is the spread you should run. Berry Juice is the item you should run, that will give you more longevity during the game.

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Staryu over Froakie is a nice change that fits your team nice imo. Staryu gives you hazard control and it can soft check things like Archen and bulky grounds, that are a pain for your team.


meowth.gif

Meowth @ Life Orb
Level: 5
Ability: Technician
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
IVs: 19 HP
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Return
- U-turn
- Knock Off

snubbull.gif

Snubbull @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 36 HP / 36 Atk / 196 Def / 116 SpD / 116 Spe
Impish Nature
- Thief
- Play Rough
- Earthquake
- Thunder Wave

aron.gif

Aron @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 196 Def / 116 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Iron Head
- Rock Slide
- Metal Burst
- Stealth Rock

cranidos.gif

Cranidos @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 5
EVs: 60 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
- Rock Polish

honedge.png

Honedge @ Berry Juice
Ability: No Guard
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head
- Sacred Sword

staryu.gif

Staryu @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 156 Def / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Scald
- Psychic
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

That's all I have, good luck with your team, and if you have any doubt ask in the PS! LC chatroom.
 
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Hi Toonchu, your team looks nice, but the sets are unviable, and you also have got an huge weakness to fighting types. I'll try to help you has much as possible with this n_n. Also it seems like you don't know how to give EVs in LC, or which pokemons are viable in the meta, so I suggest you to read this guide, and the next time you try to build a team, give a look to viability ranking to see which pokemons are good, and to the smogdex to see what are the most viable sets.

052.png
Change the Meowth's set to Fake Out / Return / U-Turn / Knock Off, change the ability to Technician to increase the Fake Out power, and it's the only viable option anyway. Change the EVs spread to 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 196 Spe alongside a Jolly Nature and run Life Orb as your item in order to maximize the Meowth's damage output. 19 IVs in HP will allow you to reduce the life orb recoil.

209.png
Snubbul over Purrloin
will allow you to reduce your fighting weakness a bit, and with Thunder Wave it will give you some speed control.

304.png
On Aron, try a moveset of Rock Slide / Iron Head / Stealth Rock / Metal Burst, your team doesn't have a stealth rock setter, and rocks are really useful in this meta, so you really need to have them. Also on it run a spread of 196 Atk / 196 Def / 116 SpD alongside a Brave Nature and 0 IVs in Speed, in order to be slower as possible so you can get some kills with Metal Burst.

408.png
On Cranidos Sheer Force over Mold Breaker as your ability will be a change that you might appreciate a lot, this will increase your power and it will allow you to get a nice OHKO on Mienfoo and Timburr with Zen Headbutt. Speaking of the moves, change the moveset to Rock Slide / Rock Polish / Earthquake / Zen Headbutt, this moveset can hit all the meta really hard. Life Orb is an item that this set will like a lot, giving more power to Cranidos' attacks and thanks to sheer force it won't take residual damage from Rock Slide and Zen Headbutt. Eviolite can be run over LO if you want to have more bulk while setting up with Rock Polish. The spread you should run with this is 60 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 132 Spe with an Adamant Nature. With this speed Cranidos will outspeed 18 base scarf user at +2.

679.png
On Honedge try a set of Pursuit / Sacred Swords / Iron Head / Shadow Sneak, pursuit will allow you to trap psychic types and play some mindgames againist Gastly between Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe with an Adamant Nature is the spread you should run. Berry Juice is the item you should run, that will give you more longevity during the game.

120.png
Staryu over Froakie is a nice change that fits your team nice imo. Staryu gives you hazard control and it can soft check things like Archen and bulky grounds, that are a pain for your team.


meowth.gif

Meowth @ Life Orb
Level: 5
Ability: Technician
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
IVs: 19 HP
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Return
- U-turn
- Knock Off

snubbull.gif

Snubbull @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 36 HP / 36 Atk / 196 Def / 116 SpD / 116 Spe
Impish Nature
- Thief
- Play Rough
- Earthquake
- Thunder Wave

aron.gif

Aron @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 196 Def / 116 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Iron Head
- Rock Slide
- Metal Burst
- Stealth Rock

cranidos.gif

Cranidos @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 5
EVs: 60 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
- Rock Polish

honedge.png

Honedge @ Berry Juice
Ability: No Guard
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 116 Def / 140 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head
- Sacred Sword

staryu.gif

Staryu @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 156 Def / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

That's all I have, good luck with your team, and if you have any doubt ask in the PS! LC chatroom.
Sweet, man! Will most definitely check this out!
 
Heya! :D Alright, we have many things to work on this...
I would better covering some common mistakes that people usually do when they get first in LC and that you did, bafore getting to the rate:
  • 252/252 EV spread rarely work out in LC, with some few exceptions. I'll enter on this with more details on your team, but let's look at Cranidos. If you go back to PS's teambuilder, try instead just giving to Cranidos 236 Atk and you will notice how it didn't change a thing. As such, for Cranidos, a spread that wouldn't waste any EV points would be 236 Attack / 36 Def / 212 Speed. You have Max Attack and Speed with this, plus a neat extra Defense point with it. This happens due to Pokemon here being lv.5, so you need lots of EV points to change a Pokemon's stat.
  • Sitrus Berry is a terrible recovery item at LC. Prefer Berry Juice which, instead, gives you 20 HP recovery, much more than Sitrus Berry could even give you, as it's % based.
  • On Aron, while Eviolite seems a good idea due to its great physical defense, Berry Juice is always a better idea due to Sturdy; if Aron's it at full health, if you get hit by say Earthquake, you get in Sturdy range then Berry Juice gives you full health again.
  • Your team doesn't have a Knock Off user. This is a no-no for any LC team to be honest. That is because, the most common item in LC is, of course, Eviolite. If you don't have any Knock Off users, it means your Pokemon doesn't have any way to go past through very bulky Pokemon. For instance, with your team, you only have a chance to break Porygon with Cranido's setting up, but its really just getting Twaved.
  • I have to remember a metagame where a team without Stealth Rock support doesn't have much more difficulties. Toxic Spikes is just not so good in a fast paced metagame like this, and in the end of the day, Toxic Spikes is not difficult to handle.
This team has so many things to work on, If I gave you all the suggestions I have in mind, I would pretty much be giving a brand-new team, especially as we don't know what is your team based around. This is a very important topic that you must let be very clear on your RMT, so we raters give you the most appropiate suggestions for you. You can still use this team at ladder if you want but, later on, when you get paired with against more experienced players, I would recommend re-building this team from scratch. The team has many crippling flaws that in the future will not allow it to work at all which include:
  • Mixed attacker only without any boosting item. Your team can, I'm afraid, get easily walled by the very best defensive cores of the metagame.
  • Quite slow for an offensive team, your fastest Pokemon being Meowth, yet you don't invest in Speed at all, which, please do note, is LC's most important stat.
  • Your team is very frail, like very very very frail, leaving you with few room to breath against several threats faster than you.
  • Not solid win-cons (SD mixed Cranidos without any Speed is not pulling a sweep with no Speed or bulk at least) and your team doesn't really seem to do anything to support these win cons. You also said you want your Cranidos to Ice Beam the opponent multiple times untill you get in frozen, so you can boost, but that's not good, because, it's not like you can actually do it without Cranidos getting KOed. Cranidos doesn't have to rely on a 10% chance at all.
  • Why the Quiet Purrloin and Meowth as well? Also, a slight nitpick, but Purrloin doesn't get STAB on Shadow Ball, as it is Ghost-type, while its user, Dark-type only.
When you described Meowth's role on your team, you said you wanted him as a bulky set up sweeper. Thing is, even in LC, 40/35/40 Defenses are just bad, even if you actually invested on them. Whenever you want to make a new team, If you want a bulky set up sweeper, you could always look at the best in the metagame which is Timburr.
Timburr @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Guts
EVs: 116 Atk / 156 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Knock Off
- Bulk Up
It's up to you how you want your team to be. And don't worry by any of this! It's pretty normal, and If you want more help, you could always just VM me or go at PS! LC room or RMT room to look for guidance. Gonna leave an useful thread you might wanna give a look here, for research proposes. Then, feel free to lurk everywhere, sky's limit. If you want some help, or have any doubts from my explanation, don't hesitate to call me later! I'll also edit here with better sets you could use for the Pokemon you use on your team if you are interested.
GJ on your first RMT!
Alright. Putting knock-off in my arsenal, and taking your advice. Thanks!
 
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